Re: Why Use a Daemon as a Symbol since it alienates many?
Grow ups or not and as ridiculous as it may sound and probably is, these are both good points and they both could have effect on FreeBSD's popularity, the satan looking symbol and the hostility towards Berkeley. As for the symbol, well, I would expect it to look something more world wide acceptable, neutral, and cute, like Penguin is and not as a demon. We all know the difference between daemons and demons, however, there are plenty of people that don't and as far as popularity goes compared to Linux, well, popular doesn't necessarily mean a kitchen sink linux OS, IF HANDLED RIGHT of course, and I am sure that there isn't anyone here that wouldn't like FreeBSD being popular. After all, I think it deserves a lot more than Linux does and the way these third party linux companies such as RedHat and SuSE are handling it. I am moving this to -chat. It doesn't belong here. Regards, Lefteris Paul Everlund wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The traditional devil horns derive from goats, which if you have ever been around goats, seen how they can climb, eat all vegetation in sight, climb trees, get on roofs, etc., how kids gambol, is understandable. But it alienates so many. But as it alienates so many Christians, Jews and Muslims as a little Satan symbol, really limits the widespread use, public and tax paid support and availability of BSD. A better symbol might be the statue of liberty, or the creator of the first Library, Aristotle. The Penguin symbol is LINUX' best advantage over BSD, not to mention all the public hostility towards Berkley. Please read http://www.freebsd.org/copyright/daemon.html. And if the little cute daemon alienates Christians, Jews, Muslims or anyone else, my personal opinion is that they should grow up. Take care and I whish you a nice day! Best regards, Paul To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
Re: Why Use a Daemon as a Symbol since it alienates many?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The traditional devil horns derive from goats, which if you have ever been around goats, seen how they can climb, eat all vegetation in sight, climb trees, get on roofs, etc., how kids gambol, is understandable. But it alienates so many. But as it alienates so many Christians, Jews and Muslims as a little Satan symbol, really limits the widespread use, public and tax paid support and availability of BSD. A better symbol might be the statue of liberty, or the creator of the first Library, Aristotle. The Penguin symbol is LINUX' best advantage over BSD, not to mention all the public hostility towards Berkley. Please read http://www.freebsd.org/copyright/daemon.html. And if the little cute daemon alienates Christians, Jews, Muslims or anyone else, my personal opinion is that they should grow up. I sometimes wear my daemon T-shirt at my church. No problem. jerry Best regards, Paul To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
Re: Why Use a Daemon as a Symbol since it alienates many?
On Monday, November 4, 2002, at 03:28 AM, Lefteris Tsintjelis wrote: Grow ups or not and as ridiculous as it may sound and probably is, these are both good points and they both could have effect on FreeBSD's popularity, the satan looking symbol and the hostility towards Berkeley. As for the symbol, well, I would expect it to look something more world wide acceptable, neutral, and cute, like Penguin is and not as a demon. We all know the difference between daemons and demons, however, there are plenty of people that don't and as far as popularity goes compared to Linux, well, popular doesn't necessarily mean a kitchen sink linux OS, IF HANDLED RIGHT of course, and I am sure that there isn't anyone here that wouldn't like FreeBSD being popular. After all, I think it deserves a lot more than Linux does and the way these third party linux companies such as RedHat and SuSE are handling it. I'd love to know who exactly it alienates besides some hicks that wouldn't use it anyway? I am moving this to -chat. It doesn't belong here. Regards, Lefteris Paul Everlund wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The traditional devil horns derive from goats, which if you have ever been around goats, seen how they can climb, eat all vegetation in sight, climb trees, get on roofs, etc., how kids gambol, is understandable. But it alienates so many. Heh the imagery is far older than that, goes back to mesopotamia, there was a night demon that many think the modern imagery for the devil descended from. Also it wasnt just the goat, but couldbe any animal, often a goat, or a bull, or a dog or some other animal. But as it alienates so many Christians, Jews and Muslims as a little Satan symbol, really limits the widespread use, public and tax paid support and availability of BSD. A better symbol might be the statue of liberty, or the creator of the first Library, Aristotle. The Penguin symbol is LINUX' best advantage over BSD, not to mention all the public hostility towards Berkley. All the public hostility towards Berkley? Where exactly? And imho the linux is annoying but it never stopped me from trying Linux. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
[OT] Re: Why Use a Daemon as a Symbol since it alienates many?
[snip] I sometimes wear my daemon T-shirt at my church. No problem. jerry My church drew the line at the linuxisforbitches logo :) http://www.linuxisforbitches.com Joe To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
Why Use a Daemon as a Symbol since it alienates many?
The traditional devil horns derive from goats, which if you have ever been around goats, seen how they can climb, eat all vegetation in sight, climb trees, get on roofs, etc., how kids gambol, is understandable. But it alienates so many. But as it alienates so many Christians, Jews and Muslims as a little Satan symbol, really limits the widespread use, public and tax paid support and availability of BSD. A better symbol might be the statue of liberty, or the creator of the first Library, Aristotle. The Penguin symbol is LINUX' best advantage over BSD, not to mention all the public hostility towards Berkley. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
Re: Why Use a Daemon as a Symbol since it alienates many?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The traditional devil horns derive from goats, which if you have ever been around goats, seen how they can climb, eat all vegetation in sight, climb trees, get on roofs, etc., how kids gambol, is understandable. But it alienates so many. But as it alienates so many Christians, Jews and Muslims as a little Satan symbol, really limits the widespread use, public and tax paid support and availability of BSD. A better symbol might be the statue of liberty, or the creator of the first Library, Aristotle. The Penguin symbol is LINUX' best advantage over BSD, not to mention all the public hostility towards Berkley. Please read http://www.freebsd.org/copyright/daemon.html. And if the little cute daemon alienates Christians, Jews, Muslims or anyone else, my personal opinion is that they should grow up. Take care and I whish you a nice day! Best regards, Paul To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
Re: Why Use a Daemon as a Symbol since it alienates many?
JT32255 has a point. It's clear that we're not going to change how people react to the daemon logo. So, if advocacy is a goal, it makes sense to drop the daemon and come up with something more palatable to the general public. But a larger audience for FreeBSD may actually detract from its usefulness. FreeBSD currently does not suffer from the kitchen sink problem that Linux has with its kerrnel. And as a result we don't have kernel patches for critical bugs every couple of weeks. Also, bringing FreeBSD to the masses would divert effort away from it's current goals of stability and correctness. Just look at what Red Hat and Mandrake have done to Linux. -Lee 11/3/02 12:40:04 PM, Paul Everlund [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The traditional devil horns derive from goats, which if you have ever been around goats, seen how they can climb, eat all vegetation in sight, climb trees, get on roofs, etc., how kids gambol, is understandable. But it alienates so many. But as it alienates so many Christians, Jews and Muslims as a little Satan symbol, really limits the widespread use, public and tax paid support and availability of BSD. A better symbol might be the statue of liberty, or the creator of the first Library, Aristotle. The Penguin symbol is LINUX' best advantage over BSD, not to mention all the public hostility towards Berkley. Please read http://www.freebsd.org/copyright/daemon.html. And if the little cute daemon alienates Christians, Jews, Muslims or anyone else, my personal opinion is that they should grow up. Take care and I whish you a nice day! Best regards, Paul To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
Re: Why Use a Daemon as a Symbol since it alienates many?
Please don't feed the troll :) + Lee Nelson wrote: | JT32255 has a point. | | It's clear that we're not going to change how people | react to the daemon logo. So, if advocacy is a goal, | it makes sense to drop the daemon and come up with | something more palatable to the general public. | | But a larger audience for FreeBSD may actually | detract from its usefulness. FreeBSD currently does | not suffer from the kitchen sink problem that Linux | has with its kerrnel. And as a result we don't have | kernel patches for critical bugs every couple of weeks. | | Also, bringing FreeBSD to the masses would divert | effort away from it's current goals of stability and | correctness. Just look at what Red Hat and Mandrake | have done to Linux. | | -Lee | | 11/3/02 12:40:04 PM, Paul Everlund [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | The traditional devil horns derive from goats, which if you have ever been | around goats, seen how they can climb, eat all vegetation in sight, climb | trees, get on roofs, etc., how kids gambol, is understandable. But it | alienates so many. But as it alienates so many Christians, Jews and Muslims | as a little Satan symbol, really limits the widespread use, public and tax | paid support and availability of BSD. A better symbol might be the statue of | liberty, or the creator of the first Library, Aristotle. The Penguin symbol | is LINUX' best advantage over BSD, not to mention all the public hostility | towards Berkley. | | Please read http://www.freebsd.org/copyright/daemon.html. | | And if the little cute daemon alienates Christians, Jews, Muslims or | anyone else, my personal opinion is that they should grow up. | | Take care and I whish you a nice day! | | Best regards, | Paul | | | | To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] | with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message | | | | | | | To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] | with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message | +---end quoted text--- -- Steve Tremblett Cisco Systems To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
Re: Why Use a Daemon as a Symbol since it alienates many?
I presume this is a joke. But I thought I would point out that daemon, the ancient greek word for what we know call demons, means guardian angel. Suggest if any more people want to mythologise about how many people do not use FreeBSD because of the scary demon that they come up with statistical evidence to back up this ridiculous assertion. Maybe Buddhists may get offended by Redhat since that is the name of a certain Buddhist sect (because they wear red hats :). Anyway if this belongs anywhere it belongs in chat not in questions. There is a debate going on there at the moment about a name for Release 5... -- Regards Cliff Sarginson The Netherlands Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel : +31 (0)10 4764595 To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
Re: Why Use a Daemon as a Symbol since it alienates many?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But as it alienates so many Christians, Jews and Muslims as a little Satan symbol, really limits the widespread use, public and tax paid support and availability of BSD. God has revealed to me that He does not consider our use of the daemon symbol as an outrage against him, that He in fact appreciates it and encourages its use. Unfortunately many believers are deaf to His voice and thus mistakenly rely on the teachings of false prophets. -- Christian naddy Weisgerber [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
