subject:"Why do you use a devil as a mascot\?"

On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 01:00:35AM -0800, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:
 Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote:
 
  ... D is already another programming language ...
 
 It wasn't back then :)

It is now, though, so it's a little late.  So sorry.


 
  I don't know what this P has to do with it.
 
 You have revealed yourself as a newbie :)

No -- I've revealed myself as someone who doesn't care nearly as much
about C++ as about C.


 
 In the beginning there was CPL, the Combined Programming Language.
 It was large enough to be infeasible to implement using then-current
 technologies, so the Bootstrap Combined Programming Language (BCPL)
 was invented, with the intent that the first CPL compiler would be
 written in BCPL.
 
 CPL never amounted to much -- I don't know whether it was ever
 implemented at all -- but BCPL developed a following.  Someone
 (at Bell Labs?) produced a derivative called B, from which a few
 researchers at Murray Hill derived C.  Thus the question:  should
 the next language in the series be named D (next alphabetically)
 or P (next letter of BCPL)?

. . . and there was a flamewar over it, blah blah blah, and finally it
was C++.  Okay.  Good historical reference.  Thanks.

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Re: History of C (Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?)

On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 01:00:35AM -0800, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:
 Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote:
  On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 02:32:04PM -0600, Robert Bonomi wrote:
   should the one-leter name for 'c++' be 'd' or 'p'?
   (nobody could decide/agree, which *IS* why it is 'c++'
   to this day)
 
  ... D is already another programming language ...
 
 It wasn't back then :)
 
  I don't know what this P has to do with it.
 
 You have revealed yourself as a newbie :)
 
 In the beginning there was CPL, the Combined Programming Language.
 It was large enough to be infeasible to implement using then-current
 technologies, so the Bootstrap Combined Programming Language (BCPL)
 was invented, with the intent that the first CPL compiler would be
 written in BCPL.
 
 CPL never amounted to much -- I don't know whether it was ever
 implemented at all -- but BCPL developed a following.  Someone
 (at Bell Labs?) produced a derivative called B, from which a few
 researchers at Murray Hill derived C.  Thus the question:  should
 the next language in the series be named D (next alphabetically)
 or P (next letter of BCPL)?


I'd vote for E since that might have more positive
connotations that D.  :-)  Skip F altogether.

Just about the whole Murray Hill gang stopped by Cray 
(in Chippewa Falls), late 80's, and I remember asking Dennis
what the deal was with C++; I remember him dodging the
thing.  Whoever-invented-C++ did a convoluted job, i s my
opinion.  It might be nice to add classes to C, but that's
about it.

TWo questions: didn't IBM create CPL? And doesn't BCPL
Stand for British Computer Programming Language?  (I did have
both editions of the C book by Brian and DEnnis; then loaned the
2nd edition and never got ti back.)  I think Dennis gives credit
to BCPL Somewhere.  Pretty sure those guys are all retired to
somewhere *warm and sunny* by now!

gary


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Re: History of C (Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?)

On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 12:44:50PM -0800, Gary Kline wrote:
 
   I'd vote for E since that might have more positive
   connotations that D.  :-)  Skip F altogether.

That might be a good point.

Google has taught me that single-letter names for programming languages
(or anything else, apparently) are not so good for the Internet age,
however.


 
   Just about the whole Murray Hill gang stopped by Cray 
   (in Chippewa Falls), late 80's, and I remember asking Dennis
   what the deal was with C++; I remember him dodging the
   thing.  Whoever-invented-C++ did a convoluted job, i s my
   opinion.  It might be nice to add classes to C, but that's
   about it.

Perhaps ironically, some called C++ C With Classes early on, as I
recall.  Meanwhile, Objective-C ended up being what C++ initially claimed
it would be (a strict superset of C that provided facilities for OOP),
while C++ failed to live up to its own promises while expanding into all
kinds of things that were not actually desired in those early days (like
a politician once elected to office).  This is, of course, largely the
perspective of an outsider, so take it for what it's worth.


 
   TWo questions: didn't IBM create CPL? And doesn't BCPL
   Stand for British Computer Programming Language?  (I did have
   both editions of the C book by Brian and DEnnis; then loaned the
   2nd edition and never got ti back.)  I think Dennis gives credit
   to BCPL Somewhere.  Pretty sure those guys are all retired to
   somewhere *warm and sunny* by now!

The second edition is still in stores all over the place.  It's the first
edition that would be difficult to find these days, I think.  My father
tells me he has a copy, though I've never seen it; I only have the second
edition.

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Re: History of C (Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?)

2010-11-14 Thread Chip Camden

Quoth Gary Kline on Sunday, 14 November 2010:
 
 
   Just about the whole Murray Hill gang stopped by Cray 
   (in Chippewa Falls), late 80's, and I remember asking Dennis
   what the deal was with C++; I remember him dodging the
   thing.  Whoever-invented-C++ did a convoluted job, i s my
   opinion.  It might be nice to add classes to C, but that's
   about it.
 
The inventor of C++ is Bjarne Stroustrop.  I had the chance opportunity
to sit down at a table with him and have a conversation prior to an SD
West conference several years ago.  He's a nice guy, with a great sense
of humor -- but even he admits C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the
foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do it blows your whole leg off.
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Bjarne_Stroustrup

 
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Re: History of C (Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?)

On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 02:41:41PM -0700, Chad Perrin wrote:
 On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 12:44:50PM -0800, Gary Kline wrote:
  
  I'd vote for E since that might have more positive
  connotations that D.  :-)  Skip F altogether.
 
 That might be a good point.
 
 Google has taught me that single-letter names for programming languages
 (or anything else, apparently) are not so good for the Internet age,
 however.


I won't argue the point! but how about IEEE?  I subscribed
to that for years and some people noted that spoken as a word,
Ieee was like the primal scream!  Hm maybe the EEE
language?!
 
 
  
  Just about the whole Murray Hill gang stopped by Cray 
  (in Chippewa Falls), late 80's, and I remember asking Dennis
  what the deal was with C++; I remember him dodging the
  thing.  Whoever-invented-C++ did a convoluted job, i s my
  opinion.  It might be nice to add classes to C, but that's
  about it.
 
 Perhaps ironically, some called C++ C With Classes early on, as I
 recall.  Meanwhile, Objective-C ended up being what C++ initially claimed
 it would be (a strict superset of C that provided facilities for OOP),
 while C++ failed to live up to its own promises while expanding into all
 kinds of things that were not actually desired in those early days (like
 a politician once elected to office).  This is, of course, largely the
 perspective of an outsider, so take it for what it's worth.
 

About 2000, 2001 was when I shucked my muuz game/mind-machine 
effort.  It was over 10K line of C-ish code that I rehacked into 
C++.  Figured since C++ was _the_ new language that it was a 
good move.  Then I realized how you could spend a lifetime
learning C++ I backed off and kept it simple.

 
  
  TWo questions: didn't IBM create CPL? And doesn't BCPL
  Stand for British Computer Programming Language?  (I did have
  both editions of the C book by Brian and DEnnis; then loaned the
  2nd edition and never got ti back.)  I think Dennis gives credit
  to BCPL Somewhere.  Pretty sure those guys are all retired to
  somewhere *warm and sunny* by now!
 
 The second edition is still in stores all over the place.  It's the first
 edition that would be difficult to find these days, I think.  My father
 tells me he has a copy, though I've never seen it; I only have the second
 edition.


Yeah, it's on amazon.com, but my bible {seriously!} is good
enough.  Dog-earned and coffee-stained; but it's the same as the
2nd Ed.  The 2nd is ANSI-ified, IIRC.

gary
 
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Re: History of C (Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?)

On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 02:02:49PM -0800, Chip Camden wrote:
 Quoth Gary Kline on Sunday, 14 November 2010:
  
  
  Just about the whole Murray Hill gang stopped by Cray 
  (in Chippewa Falls), late 80's, and I remember asking Dennis
  what the deal was with C++; I remember him dodging the
  thing.  Whoever-invented-C++ did a convoluted job, i s my
  opinion.  It might be nice to add classes to C, but that's
  about it.
  
 The inventor of C++ is Bjarne Stroustrop.  I had the chance opportunity
 to sit down at a table with him and have a conversation prior to an SD
 West conference several years ago.  He's a nice guy, with a great sense
 of humor -- but even he admits C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the
 foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do it blows your whole leg off.
 http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Bjarne_Stroustrup

There's always the theory that Bjarne Stroustrup actually meant C++ as a
joke:

http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/c++/I_did_it_for_you_all

It's generally regarded as a hoax, and there is an actually published
interview that corresponds with this time period in IEEE's Computer
Magazine that reads quite differently from this.  Still . . . if this is
real, it would certainly explain a lot.

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Re: History of C (Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?)

On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 02:02:49PM -0800, Chip Camden wrote:
 Quoth Gary Kline on Sunday, 14 November 2010:
  
  
  Just about the whole Murray Hill gang stopped by Cray 
  (in Chippewa Falls), late 80's, and I remember asking Dennis
  what the deal was with C++; I remember him dodging the
  thing.  Whoever-invented-C++ did a convoluted job, i s my
  opinion.  It might be nice to add classes to C, but that's
  about it.
  
 The inventor of C++ is Bjarne Stroustrop.  I had the chance opportunity
 to sit down at a table with him and have a conversation prior to an SD
 West conference several years ago.  He's a nice guy, with a great sense
 of humor -- but even he admits C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the
 foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do it blows your whole leg off.
 http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Bjarne_Stroustrup
 

I'm sure I had my share of disasters with C++ hacking test code
, but OMG, the head banging was nothing compared to heavy C
coding in the early days.   The number of segv's brings back
evil memories:-)  That, and having to take a notebook and draw
out where you were [or _thought_ you were] pointing to.
--Things they can't teach very well in the classroom-- that sort
of stuff.

Great quote!


  
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Re: History of C (Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?)

On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 03:37:15PM -0700, Chad Perrin wrote:
 On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 02:02:49PM -0800, Chip Camden wrote:
  Quoth Gary Kline on Sunday, 14 November 2010:
   
   
 Just about the whole Murray Hill gang stopped by Cray 
 (in Chippewa Falls), late 80's, and I remember asking Dennis
 what the deal was with C++; I remember him dodging the
 thing.  Whoever-invented-C++ did a convoluted job, i s my
 opinion.  It might be nice to add classes to C, but that's
 about it.
   
  The inventor of C++ is Bjarne Stroustrop.  I had the chance opportunity
  to sit down at a table with him and have a conversation prior to an SD
  West conference several years ago.  He's a nice guy, with a great sense
  of humor -- but even he admits C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the
  foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do it blows your whole leg off.
  http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Bjarne_Stroustrup
 
 There's always the theory that Bjarne Stroustrup actually meant C++ as a
 joke:
 
 http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/c++/I_did_it_for_you_all
 
 It's generally regarded as a hoax, and there is an actually published
 interview that corresponds with this time period in IEEE's Computer
 Magazine that reads quite differently from this.  Still . . . if this is
 real, it would certainly explain a lot.
 


Hmmm.  I'll ck out the quote when I'm using evo.  I honestly
doesn't see C++ as any joke--or attempt to be.  What I can't 
grok is the supposed re-useability.  Was/Isn't a big part of
C++ supposed to be that you could easily reuse part of proven,
flawless code?  I probably never got that far into learning the
language.  I have and still do edit, cut/paste, hammer and saw
away at my C examples to get at functions that are reusable.


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Re: History of C (Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?)

On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 02:39:32PM -0800, Gary Kline wrote:
 
   About 2000, 2001 was when I shucked my muuz game/mind-machine 
   effort.  It was over 10K line of C-ish code that I rehacked into 
   C++.  Figured since C++ was _the_ new language that it was a 
   good move.  Then I realized how you could spend a lifetime
   learning C++ I backed off and kept it simple.

Hardly new.  It hasn't been the Next Big Thing since the '80s.  Java was
the Next Big Thing in the '90s.  We don't exactly have a new Next Big
Thing for the '00s, from what I can see -- and maybe that's a good thing.

Agile development is the Next Big Thing for development methodologies,
but that's a somewhat separate issue.


 
   Yeah, it's on amazon.com, but my bible {seriously!} is good
   enough.  Dog-earned and coffee-stained; but it's the same as the
   2nd Ed.  The 2nd is ANSI-ified, IIRC.

That's correct -- 2nd Ed is the ANSI C version of basically the same
text.

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Re: History of C (Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?)

2010-11-14 Thread Charlie Kester


On Sun 14 Nov 2010 at 16:29:10 PST Chad Perrin wrote:

On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 02:39:32PM -0800, Gary Kline wrote:


About 2000, 2001 was when I shucked my muuz game/mind-machine
effort.  It was over 10K line of C-ish code that I rehacked into
C++.  Figured since C++ was _the_ new language that it was a
good move.  Then I realized how you could spend a lifetime
learning C++ I backed off and kept it simple.


Hardly new.  It hasn't been the Next Big Thing since the '80s.  Java was
the Next Big Thing in the '90s.  We don't exactly have a new Next Big
Thing for the '00s, from what I can see -- and maybe that's a good


I'd say the Next Big Thing in the '00s was Python ... or was it XML?

BTW, it's now the '10s.  ;-)
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Re: History of C (Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?)

On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 09:54:42PM -0800, Charlie Kester wrote:
 
 I'd say the Next Big Thing in the '00s was Python ... or was it XML?

Python hasn't been dominant enough.  *Maybe* XML -- but that might be a
bit of a stretch.  It might be a couple years before we can identify it.

Hm.  Maybe JavaScript . . . ?  You know, that AJAXy thing.


 
 BTW, it's now the '10s.  ;-)

Yeah, but there obviously hasn't been a Next Big Thing programming
language for the '10s yet.  Give it time.

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Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 1:35 AM, Ryan Coleman ryan.cole...@cwis.biz wrote:


 On Nov 13, 2010, at 1:08 AM, Chris Brennan wrote:

  On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 9:16 PM, Bruce Cran br...@cran.org.uk wrote:
 
  On Fri, 12 Nov 2010 19:08:51 -0500
  Chris Brennan xa...@xaerolimit.net wrote:
 
  Did you know...
  If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages,
  but what's worse is when you play it forward
   ...it installs Windows 2000
 
  Yes, I think we know that by now.
 
  --
  Bruce Cran
 
 
  It's part of my signature it's not like I am spamming *just* my sig
 to
  the list.

 And my friends all got a kick out of it when I shared it. Not all are
 FreeBSD fans but all hate Windows 2K the same :)



I'm glad it amused them, as that is it's purpose.


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Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 2:17 AM, Bruce Cran br...@cran.org.uk wrote:

 On Sat, 13 Nov 2010 01:08:02 -0500
 Chris Brennan xa...@xaerolimit.net wrote:

  It's part of my signature it's not like I am spamming *just* my
  sig to the list.
 
  Did you know...
  If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages,
 
  but what's worse is when you play it forward
...it installs Windows 2000
 -- Alfred Perlstein on chat at freebsd.org
  http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions
 

 The problem is that it's part of the main block of text and as such is
 rather offputting. If you want it to be your signature it should be
 separated from the main block of text somehow - preferably by the
 signature separator (--  followed by a newline).

 --
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Ya know, I have it there, but for some reason, GMail/Google Apps Keeps
omitting it, I've resorted to manually putting it in when I move my sig from
the the top of the message body.

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Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 2:51 AM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote:

 On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 01:06:55AM -0500, Chris Brennan wrote:
  On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com
 wrote:
  
   What would you have me do -- beat a live horse?  I'm not inclined to
   subject a living creature to such cruelty.
 
  Is beating a dead horse no more cruel?

 Do dead horses have feelings?

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I would imagine not, but the spirit of the dead horse might. And it would
suck if that spirit were to come back as an ugly 8ft fly-thing with a really
bad attitude and a grudge. Poor Aurthur...Just can't catch a break!

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Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

2010-11-13 Thread Jerry

On Sat, 13 Nov 2010 01:06:55 -0500
Chris Brennan xa...@xaerolimit.net articulated:

 Did you know...
 If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages,
 but what's worse is when you play it forward
 
   ...it installs Windows 2000
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I am now creating a kill filter for this poster. If he isn't smart
enough to figure out how to properly enter his factually incorrect,
obsolete and well worn codicil to every message correctly; i.e, after
the sig-delimiter, then I have not the time not inclination to read
his dribble.

Attention Chris Brennan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signature_block

http://email.about.com/od/emailsignaturenetiquette/qt/Use_the_Standard_Email_Signature_Delimiter.htm

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Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

2010-11-13 Thread David DEMELIER

2010/11/12 José Silveira jmlsilve...@gmail.com:
 Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

 For me it is nonsense... It makes Christians, Jwishes and Muslins run away!

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I never thought this kind of mail could spawn 70 answers in only two
days. It takes useless storage for nothing. You are wasting your time
answering this imho :-).

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Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

2010-11-13 Thread Mario Lobo

On Friday 12 November 2010 23:27:42 Mubeesh ali wrote:
 i guess  it is high time this list  bans the word devil in subject ;-)
 

Let's hack the term and use lucifer instead!

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Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

2010-11-13 Thread Justin V.





On Sat, 13 Nov 2010, Mario Lobo wrote:


On Friday 12 November 2010 23:27:42 Mubeesh ali wrote:

i guess  it is high time this list  bans the word devil in subject ;-)



Let's hack the term and use lucifer instead!

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Its Beelzebub, the daemon.
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Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

2010-11-13 Thread Svein Skogen (Listmail account)

On 13.11.2010 15:59, Mario Lobo wrote:
 On Friday 12 November 2010 23:27:42 Mubeesh ali wrote:
 i guess  it is high time this list  bans the word devil in subject ;-)

 
 Let's hack the term and use lucifer instead!

Can we add this once-a-month question about Beastie to either the FAQ or
the resources for newbies on the website?

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Subject: Fw: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?
To: Chris Brennan xa...@xaerolimit.net

Has anyone gotten repeated forwards from the above user or is it just me?

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Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

2010-11-13 Thread Tom Worster



On 11/12/10 7:18 PM, Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote:

On Fri, 12 Nov 2010 15:57:46 -0800, Charlie Kester
corky1...@comcast.net wrote:
On Fri 12 Nov 2010 at 15:44:01 PST Chris Brennan wrote:
Must we continue to beat this already dead horse?
Apparently the answer is yes, when we're not beating the equally
dead horse of the CLI vs GUI debate.

Why vs? It's and. So let's have the vs vs and debate.

isn't that where Derrida wrote the book?


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Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

2010-11-13 Thread Tom Worster

On 11/12/10 6:44 PM, Chris Brennan xa...@xaerolimit.net wrote:

I think it's safe to say that either a) Mr. Silveira has unsubscribed from
the list or b) learned to keep his mouth shut and scampered off into the
dark to learn the proper netiquette of this list. Must we continue to beat
this already dead horse?

in his most recent email to me, José Silveira signed off with: Finally, I
am very happy to not to be part of freeBSD community.

i admit i'm happy about that too.


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Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

2010-11-13 Thread Michelle Konzack

Hello Charlie Kester,

Am 2010-11-12 16:22:26, hacktest Du folgendes herunter:
 On Fri 12 Nov 2010 at 16:05:33 PST Gary Gatten wrote:
 Let's start a thread listing dead horses to beat:
 
 M$ vs Novell
 Unix vs Linux
 Mainframe vs PC
 DAS vs SAN
 Top-posting vs Bottom posting
 Blah blah blah vs Yada yada yada
 
 OK, I'll play:
 
 Gnome vs KDE
 Ports vs Packages (vs PBI's)
 GPL vs BSDL
 C vs any other programming language

Debian vs. FreeBSD.

Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening
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2010-11-13 Thread Michelle Konzack

Hello Liontaur,

Am 2010-11-12 23:55:22, hacktest Du folgendes herunter:
 I was just thinking about how much better vi is compared to emacs ;)

Thats normaly, because emacs is an Operating System which lakes an editor

Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening
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Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

2010-11-13 Thread Jerry McAllister

On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 07:08:51PM -0500, Chris Brennan wrote:

 
 Did you know...
 If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages,
 but what's worse is when you play it forward
   ...it installs Windows 2000

I like this one - though you could update if from W 2000 to a more
current one.

jerry


 
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Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

2010-11-13 Thread Jerry McAllister

On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 04:08:00PM +0100, Svein Skogen (Listmail account) wrote:

  i guess  it is high time this list  bans the word devil in subject ;-)
 
 
 Can we add this once-a-month question about Beastie to either the FAQ or
 the resources for newbies on the website?

Now that is a good idea.

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Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

2010-11-13 Thread Jerry

On Sat, 13 Nov 2010 12:37:48 -0500
Jerry McAllister jerr...@msu.edu articulated:

 On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 04:08:00PM +0100, Svein Skogen (Listmail
 account) wrote:
 
   i guess  it is high time this list  bans the word devil in
   subject ;-) 
  
  Can we add this once-a-month question about Beastie to either the
  FAQ or the resources for newbies on the website?  
 
 Now that is a good idea.

That would be a waste of time. You would be working under the totally
unproven assumption that it would actually be read or adhered to.

Now, if this forum were open only to subscribers and when they
subscribed this info was presented in the welcome message and if they
were forewarned that even thinking about asking this question of the
forum would result in their banishment from the forum, then perhaps
you might have a working solution.

I give Wietse a lot of credit for the way he runs his Postfix forum.
Continuing a post after its usefulness has waned, or asking
unrelated questions, etc. can and does get you banished from the group.
Maybe it is time to get a moderator with a set for this forum.

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Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

2010-11-13 Thread Bruce Cran

On Sat, 13 Nov 2010 13:01:22 -0500
Jerry freebsd.u...@seibercom.net wrote:

 I give Wietse a lot of credit for the way he runs his Postfix forum.
 Continuing a post after its usefulness has waned, or asking
 unrelated questions, etc. can and does get you banished from the
 group. Maybe it is time to get a moderator with a set for this forum.

The NTDEV list has another way of dealing with these issues: a thread
can get locked if it strays off-topic or becomes otherwise useless,
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Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

2010-11-13 Thread bdsfbsd

On Sat, 13 Nov 2010 12:37:48 -0500, Jerry McAllister jerr...@msu.edu  
wrote:


On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 04:08:00PM +0100, Svein Skogen (Listmail  
account) wrote:


Can we add this once-a-month question about Beastie to either the FAQ or
the resources for newbies on the website?


Now that is a good idea.

jerry



And when someone asks this question, somebody refer them to said FAQ and  
THAT'S IT, instead of this huge list of people saying oh no, not this  
again, debates on religion, on whether or not the OP is a troll, and some  
outright insulting and rude responses. Please, everyone, the next time  
somebody asks this question, refer to the FAQ (which needs amended,)  
respond off-list, or not at all.


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Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

2010-11-13 Thread Robert Huff


Bruce Cran writes:

  The NTDEV list has another way of dealing with these issues: a
  thread can get locked if it strays off-topic or becomes otherwise
  useless, preventing further follow-ups.

That would require a level of active moderation I don't
remember seeing here.


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Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 12:36:29PM -0500, Jerry McAllister wrote:
 On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 07:08:51PM -0500, Chris Brennan wrote:
  
  Did you know...
  If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages,
  but what's worse is when you play it forward
 
 I like this one - though you could update if from W 2000 to a more
 current one.

I vote Vista.

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On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 05:35:13PM +0100, Michelle Konzack wrote:
 Hello Charlie Kester,
 
 Am 2010-11-12 16:22:26, hacktest Du folgendes herunter:
  On Fri 12 Nov 2010 at 16:05:33 PST Gary Gatten wrote:
  Let's start a thread listing dead horses to beat:
  
  M$ vs Novell
  Unix vs Linux
  Mainframe vs PC
  DAS vs SAN
  Top-posting vs Bottom posting
  Blah blah blah vs Yada yada yada
  
  OK, I'll play:
  
  Gnome vs KDE
  Ports vs Packages (vs PBI's)
  GPL vs BSDL
  C vs any other programming language
 
 Debian vs. FreeBSD.

I'm shocked -- SHOCKED! -- that there still has not been any mention of
vi vs. emacs in this list.

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On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 05:36:13PM +0100, Michelle Konzack wrote:
 Hello Liontaur,
 
 Am 2010-11-12 23:55:22, hacktest Du folgendes herunter:
  I was just thinking about how much better vi is compared to emacs ;)
 
 Thats normaly, because emacs is an Operating System which lakes an editor

s/lakes/lacks/

That's not actually true, you know.  Emacs has a passable editor called
Viper Mode.  It's not ideal, but I suppose beggars can't be choosers.

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Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

2010-11-13 Thread Robert Bonomi

 Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 01:18:03 +0100
 From: Polytropon free...@edvax.de
 Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

 On Fri, 12 Nov 2010 15:57:46 -0800, Charlie Kester corky1...@comcast.net 
 wrote:
  On Fri 12 Nov 2010 at 15:44:01 PST Chris Brennan wrote:
  Must we continue to beat this already dead horse?

  Apparently the answer is yes, when we're not beating the equally
  dead horse of the CLI vs GUI debate.

 Why vs? It's and. So let's have the vs vs and debate.
 And as we are already on-topic, let's discuss which logical
 operator is the best, maybe we find an alternative to vs
 or and... or... yes, what about or? :-)

  or?   NOT!! grin

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Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

2010-11-13 Thread Svein Skogen (Listmail account)

On 13.11.2010 21:29, Robert Bonomi wrote:
 Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 01:18:03 +0100
 From: Polytropon free...@edvax.de
 Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

 On Fri, 12 Nov 2010 15:57:46 -0800, Charlie Kester corky1...@comcast.net 
 wrote:
 On Fri 12 Nov 2010 at 15:44:01 PST Chris Brennan wrote:
 Must we continue to beat this already dead horse?

 Apparently the answer is yes, when we're not beating the equally
 dead horse of the CLI vs GUI debate.

 Why vs? It's and. So let's have the vs vs and debate.
 And as we are already on-topic, let's discuss which logical
 operator is the best, maybe we find an alternative to vs
 or and... or... yes, what about or? :-)

   or?   NOT!! grin

XOR

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Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

2010-11-13 Thread Robert Bonomi

 From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org  Fri Nov 12 18:34:27 2010
 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 16:22:26 -0800
 From: Charlie Kester corky1...@comcast.net
 To: 'freebsd-questions@freebsd.org' freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
 Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

 On Fri 12 Nov 2010 at 16:05:33 PST Gary Gatten wrote:
 Let's start a thread listing dead horses to beat:

 M$ vs Novell
 Unix vs Linux
 Mainframe vs PC
 DAS vs SAN
 Top-posting vs Bottom posting
 Blah blah blah vs Yada yada yada

 OK, I'll play:

 Gnome vs KDE
 Ports vs Packages (vs PBI's)
 GPL vs BSDL
 C vs any other programming language

should the one-leter name for 'c++' be 'd' or 'p'?
(nobody could decide/agree, which *IS* why it is 'c++' to this day)

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Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

2010-11-13 Thread Robert Bonomi

 From: mer...@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz)
 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 16:47:40 -0800
 Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

  Charlie == Charlie Kester corky1...@comcast.net writes:

 Charlie OK, I'll play:

 Charlie Gnome vs KDE
 Charlie Ports vs Packages (vs PBI's)
 Charlie GPL vs BSDL
 Charlie C vs any other programming language

 Perl vs Readability

*SNORt*  That's what APL is for -- to make Perl look readable

somebody once claimed that the -only- way to obfuscate an APL 
program -- more than it _naturally_ was, that is -- was to write
It as TECO source.

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Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 02:32:04PM -0600, Robert Bonomi wrote:
 
 should the one-leter name for 'c++' be 'd' or 'p'?
 (nobody could decide/agree, which *IS* why it is 'c++' to this day)

Why would we need a one-letter name?

C++ is also known as CPP.  D is already another programming language, so
we can't really use that for C++.  I don't know what this P has to do
with it.

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Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

2010-11-12 Thread Ott Köstner

On 12.11.2010 6:21, Chad Perrin wrote:
 On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 11:39:28PM +, José Silveira wrote:
 Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

 For me it is nonsense... It makes Christians, Jwishes and Muslins run away!
 Perhaps it is merely an effective booby trap to catch small-minded people
 who are too narrow in their thinking to consider doing something
 intelligent like search the Web, Wikipedia, or the mailing list archives
 for an answer to this question.  It's not like it doesn't come up every
 damned six months.

IMHO, this is the best answer so far.


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Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

2010-11-12 Thread Wojciech Puchar




Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

because i use freebsd. and i am a devil.
And every true devil use FreeBSD.



For me it is nonsense... It makes Christians, Jwishes and Muslins run away!

José Silveira
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Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

2010-11-12 Thread Ross Cameron

2010/11/12 José Silveira jmlsilve...@gmail.com

 Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

 For me it is nonsense... It makes Christians, Jwishes and Muslins run away!


Because we don't want narrow minded, religious bigots clogging up the
mailing lists like this one.
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Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

2010-11-12 Thread Anton Shterenlikht

On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 11:38:19AM +0200, Ross Cameron wrote:
 2010/11/12 Jos?? Silveira jmlsilve...@gmail.com
 
  Why do you use a devil as a mascot?
 
  For me it is nonsense... It makes Christians, Jwishes and Muslins run away!

who are the Muslins and Jwishes anyway?

Some form of Martin life?
I've never heard of them.


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Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

2010-11-12 Thread Matthew Seaman

On 12/11/2010 09:38, Ross Cameron wrote:
 2010/11/12 José Silveira jmlsilve...@gmail.com
 
 Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

 For me it is nonsense... It makes Christians, Jwishes and Muslins run away!
 
 
 Because we don't want narrow minded, religious bigots clogging up the
 mailing lists like this one.

Didn't you know?  It's an international conspiracy between (inter alia)
The FreeBSD Project, Manchester United Football Club and the Parachute
Regiment display team.

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Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

2010-11-12 Thread Alejandro Imass

On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 9:40 PM, Ryan Coleman ryan.cole...@cwis.biz wrote:
 He was forwarding and José top-posted on a private response.

 And I will top-post til the day I die.

 :)


I'm sorry Neal my bad, I wasn't in a joke mood and didn't realize the fwd.
It's just that this devil religious crap really got to me this time.

Cheers,
Alex

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 On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 9:28 PM, Neal Hogan nealho...@gmail.com wrote:
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 From: José Silveira jmlsilve...@gmail.com
 Date: 2010/11/11
 Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?
 To: Neal Hogan nealho...@gmail.com


 What an absurd! A guy makes a question and an stupid like you send me
 this crap! I hope freebsd explodes!


 First, please don't top-post.
 Second, stop feeding the trolls. We souldn't be falling for this crap
 once again.
 Third, if you don't like FreeBSD and want it to explode, please just leave.


 2010/11/12 Neal Hogan nealho...@gmail.com

 2010/11/11 Neal Hogan nealho...@gmail.com:
 2010/11/11 José Silveira jmlsilve...@gmail.com:
 Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

 For me it is nonsense... It makes Christians, Jwishes and Muslins run 
 away!


 Is this better?


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Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

2010-11-12 Thread Chip Camden

Quoth Dave Robison on Thursday, 11 November 2010:
 On 11/11/10 15:39, José Silveira wrote:
 Why do you use a devil as a mascot?
 
 For me it is nonsense... It makes Christians, Jwishes and Muslins run away!
 
 José Silveira
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Re: Fwd: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

2010-11-12 Thread Chip Camden

Quoth Neal Hogan on Thursday, 11 November 2010:
 -- Forwarded message --
 From: José Silveira jmlsilve...@gmail.com
 Date: 2010/11/11
 Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?
 To: Neal Hogan nealho...@gmail.com

 What an absurd! A guy makes a question and an stupid like you send me
 this crap! I hope freebsd explodes!

 2010/11/12 Neal Hogan nealho...@gmail.com

  2010/11/11 Neal Hogan nealho...@gmail.com:
   2010/11/11 José Silveira jmlsilve...@gmail.com:
   Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

   For me it is nonsense... It makes Christians, Jwishes and Muslins run 
   away!

   Is this better?

  (sorry) http://www.openbsd.org/art/newhead.jpg
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Naturally he lashed out at you, the one respondent who actually tried to
provide a solution for his non-problem.

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Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

2010-11-12 Thread Jerry McAllister

On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 09:36:29PM -0500, Alejandro Imass wrote:

 On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 9:28 PM, Neal Hogan nealho...@gmail.com wrote:
  -- Forwarded message --
  From: José Silveira jmlsilve...@gmail.com
  Date: 2010/11/11
  Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?
  To: Neal Hogan nealho...@gmail.com

  What an absurd! A guy makes a question and an stupid like you send me
  this crap! I hope freebsd explodes!

 First, please don't top-post.
 Second, stop feeding the trolls. We souldn't be falling for this crap
 once again.
 Third, if you don't like FreeBSD and want it to explode, please just leave.

Lots of people see FreeBSD and the web site and the mascott, etc for
the first time probably each day.Some of them will have the same
mistaken idea since the misunderstanding of it is implanted in people's
heads from an early age.Although you may get tired of hearing that
same old argument again and again, I do, it does not automatically make a 
person a troll if they ask the question.

The intelligent thing is to give a reasonable answer and point the person
to some web pages where they can become informed and then ignore it.
If they make useful use of the information, they are not a troll, just
someone needing information.   If they want to add tricky new twists
to keep the thing going, then they probably are a troll and ignoring
additional responses becomes even more important.

So, if you want other prople to use their intelligence, then practice
using yours.

jerry

  2010/11/12 Neal Hogan nealho...@gmail.com

  2010/11/11 Neal Hogan nealho...@gmail.com:
   2010/11/11 José Silveira jmlsilve...@gmail.com:
   Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

   For me it is nonsense... It makes Christians, Jwishes and Muslins run 
   away!

   Is this better?

  (sorry) http://www.openbsd.org/art/newhead.jpg
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Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

2010-11-12 Thread Jerry McAllister

On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 07:26:17PM -0600, Neal Hogan wrote:

 On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 6:53 PM, Gary Gatten ggat...@waddell.com wrote:
  PLEASE let's not rehash this again!!!
 
 
 I'm only sending the link to the haloed (sp?) daemon now because I
 wish I had last time but f'd it up.
 I'm done now . . . I just thought that those who are offended by
 evil daemons would appreciate the holy ones.

  (sorry) http://www.openbsd.org/art/newhead.jpg

I like this one.   
It continues the tongue firmly in the cheek sense of the whole BSDie thing.
Thanks for posting it.

jerry


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Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

2010-11-12 Thread Tom Worster

On 11/12/10 2:29 PM, Jerry McAllister jerr...@msu.edu wrote:

Lots of people see FreeBSD and the web site and the mascott, etc for
the first time probably each day.Some of them will have the same
mistaken idea since the misunderstanding of it is implanted in people's
heads from an early age.Although you may get tired of hearing that
same old argument again and again, I do, it does not automatically make a
person a troll if they ask the question.

Hmm.

It is inconsiderate and lazy to ask someone else to answer a question
without making any effort to answer it yourself first. The misdeed is
multiplied when the culprit asks hundreds of people in a discussion group
such as this. That's why it is often considered a violation of etiquette.
The fact that lmgtfy.com and 'RTFM' are both well know suggests that this
is not a fringe opinion.


The intelligent thing is to give a reasonable answer and point the person
to some web pages where they can become informed and then ignore it.

I would describe that as the indulgent thing, not the intelligent thing.


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Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

2010-11-12 Thread Jerry McAllister

On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 05:15:37PM -0500, Tom Worster wrote:

 On 11/12/10 2:29 PM, Jerry McAllister jerr...@msu.edu wrote:
 
 Lots of people see FreeBSD and the web site and the mascott, etc for
 the first time probably each day.Some of them will have the same
 mistaken idea since the misunderstanding of it is implanted in people's
 heads from an early age.Although you may get tired of hearing that
 same old argument again and again, I do, it does not automatically make a
 person a troll if they ask the question.
 
 Hmm.
 
 It is inconsiderate and lazy to ask someone else to answer a question
 without making any effort to answer it yourself first. The misdeed is
 multiplied when the culprit asks hundreds of people in a discussion group
 such as this. That's why it is often considered a violation of etiquette.
 The fact that lmgtfy.com and 'RTFM' are both well know suggests that this
 is not a fringe opinion.

You expect a newbie to know it all.   
That is inconsiderate and lazy.
You started somewhere, so does everyone else.



 
 
 The intelligent thing is to give a reasonable answer and point the person
 to some web pages where they can become informed and then ignore it.
 
 I would describe that as the indulgent thing, not the intelligent thing.
 

You would have starved before now if other people had your attitude.

jerry   
  
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Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

2010-11-12 Thread Alejandro Imass

On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 5:15 PM, Tom Worster f...@thefsb.org wrote:
 On 11/12/10 2:29 PM, Jerry McAllister jerr...@msu.edu wrote:

Lots of people see FreeBSD and the web site and the mascott, etc for
the first time probably each day.    Some of them will have the same
mistaken idea since the misunderstanding of it is implanted in people's
heads from an early age.    Although you may get tired of hearing that
same old argument again and again, I do, it does not automatically make a
person a troll if they ask the question.

 Hmm.

 It is inconsiderate and lazy to ask someone else to answer a question
 without making any effort to answer it yourself first. The misdeed is
 multiplied when the culprit asks hundreds of people in a discussion group
 such as this. That's why it is often considered a violation of etiquette.
 The fact that lmgtfy.com and 'RTFM' are both well know suggests that this
 is not a fringe opinion.


The intelligent thing is to give a reasonable answer and point the person
to some web pages where they can become informed and then ignore it.

 I would describe that as the indulgent thing, not the intelligent thing.



Thanks Tom, I was beginning to think no one else cared about such
netiquette, and I just opted to let it go. Nevertheless, now that you
brought this up, I would like to point a couple of more things out to
Jerry:

The _intelligent_ thing to do is to actually read before blabbering
here about some religious crap.

When the OP signed up to this list he must have read this:

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-MAIL

Where things like the following are very clearly stated:

When in doubt about what list to post a question to, see How to get
best results from the FreeBSD-questions mailing list.
Which points to this:
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/freebsd-questions/

Before posting to any list, please learn about how to best use the
mailing lists, such as how to help avoid frequently-repeated
discussions, by reading the Mailing List Frequently Asked Questions
(FAQ) document.
Which points to this:
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/mailing-list-faq/

And in almost all these places there are links to the netiquette,
recommendations on how to search before you post and tons of
information on how to correctly interact with these mailing lists.

Ignorantia legis neminem excusat

Cheers,
Alex
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Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

2010-11-12 Thread Alejandro Imass

On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 5:38 PM, Jerry McAllister jerr...@msu.edu wrote:
 On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 05:15:37PM -0500, Tom Worster wrote:

 On 11/12/10 2:29 PM, Jerry McAllister jerr...@msu.edu wrote:

[...]

 You expect a newbie to know it all.
 That is inconsiderate and lazy.
 You started somewhere, so does everyone else.


True. But when you join an existing community you _should_ be just a
bit more prudent don't you think?
Furthermore, I think we all have screwed up more than once and have
had our good share of rudeness, and have dealt with it.
The bad thing IMO is to continue to attack like the OP did after
realizing his comment was not very welcome.





 The intelligent thing is to give a reasonable answer and point the person
 to some web pages where they can become informed and then ignore it.

 I would describe that as the indulgent thing, not the intelligent thing.


 You would have starved before now if other people had your attitude.


I can't make out what you are trying to say here, but Tom's attitude
is in fact the correct one. Is the well-accepted way of doing things
in the hacker world, and very true, it's not for everyone.

http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

Alex

 jerry

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Fwd: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

2010-11-12 Thread Neal Hogan

On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 4:43 PM, Alejandro Imass a...@p2ee.org wrote:
On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 5:15 PM, Tom Worster f...@thefsb.org wrote:
On 11/12/10 2:29 PM, Jerry McAllister jerr...@msu.edu wrote:

Lots of people see FreeBSD and the web site and the mascott, etc for
the first time probably each day. Some of them will have the same
mistaken idea since the misunderstanding of it is implanted in people's
heads from an early age. Although you may get tired of hearing that
same old argument again and again, I do, it does not automatically make a
person a troll if they ask the question.

Hmm.

It is inconsiderate and lazy to ask someone else to answer a question
without making any effort to answer it yourself first. The misdeed is
multiplied when the culprit asks hundreds of people in a discussion group
such as this. That's why it is often considered a violation of etiquette.
The fact that lmgtfy.com and 'RTFM' are both well know suggests that this
is not a fringe opinion.

The intelligent thing is to give a reasonable answer and point the person
to some web pages where they can become informed and then ignore it.

I would describe that as the indulgent thing, not the intelligent thing.

Thanks Tom, I was beginning to think no one else cared about such
netiquette, and I just opted to let it go. Nevertheless, now that you
brought this up, I would like to point a couple of more things out to
Jerry:

The _intelligent_ thing to do is to actually read before blabbering
here about some religious crap.

When the OP signed up to this list he must have read this:

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-MAIL

Where things like the following are very clearly stated:

When in doubt about what list to post a question to, see How to get
best results from the FreeBSD-questions mailing list.
Which points to this:
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/freebsd-questions/

Before posting to any list, please learn about how to best use the
mailing lists, such as how to help avoid frequently-repeated
discussions, by reading the Mailing List Frequently Asked Questions
(FAQ) document.
Which points to this:
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/mailing-list-faq/

And in almost all these places there are links to the netiquette,
recommendations on how to search before you post and tons of
information on how to correctly interact with these mailing lists.

Ignorantia legis neminem excusat

Yes, yes, yes . . . but back to the issue at hand; cartoons with red
faces and two horns, carrying sharp, pointy things indicate the evil
that must be . . . . ummm . . . I don't know. I'm probably going to
hell just for having thoughts about Satan (or whatever). Like I said,
I don't know ;-)

Ok . . . now I'm done.
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Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

2010-11-12 Thread Jerry

On Fri, 12 Nov 2010 17:43:23 -0500
Alejandro Imass a...@p2ee.org articulated:

 And in almost all these places there are links to the netiquette,
 recommendations on how to search before you post and tons of
 information on how to correctly interact with these mailing lists.

Which are virtually never used. Hell, virgins get more action than some
of those links.

Les excuses sont comme des abrutis, tout le monde en avait un.

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Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

2010-11-12 Thread Byung-Hee HWANG

José Silveira jmlsilve...@gmail.com writes:

 Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

 For me it is nonsense... It makes Christians, Jwishes and Muslins run away!

Well, i don't think devil is bad thing. What do you think of?

Sincerely,

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Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

2010-11-12 Thread Chad Perrin

On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 05:38:10PM -0500, Jerry McAllister wrote:
 
 You would have starved before now if other people had your attitude.

Not at all.

It does indeed involve indulging others to do what you described.  There
is nothing necessarily wrong with that, but indulgent is exactly what
it is.

While it may be intelligent to do so as well (depending on
circumstances and goals), it is not *the* intelligent thing to do, which
implies that anything else is necessarily unintelligent.  May other
approaches could be intelligent as well, including some non-indulgent
approaches.

This attitude does not preclude being indulgent, and I'm sure that any
of us who have that attitude would indulge our children (if we have
them) by feeding them in their youth to ensure they do not starve.  One
would hope, however, that we would teach those children to be a bit more
self-sufficient before they reach the age of majority, however -- and
that this self-sufficiency might suggest to them that a first approach to
figuring out how to find out why a particular OS uses a given logo might
be to check Wikipedia or search Google, or even to check the mailing list
archives, before making accusatory, holier-than-thou demands of the
community in the mailing list.

The entire approach of the OP's demands was offensive and showed a
distinct attitude of unwarranted entitlement.  It should be no wonder
that people did not respond positively, especially given that it happens
probably about twice a year.

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Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 6:29 PM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote:

 On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 05:38:10PM -0500, Jerry McAllister wrote:
 
  You would have starved before now if other people had your attitude.

 Not at all.

 It does indeed involve indulging others to do what you described.  There
 is nothing necessarily wrong with that, but indulgent is exactly what
 it is.

 While it may be intelligent to do so as well (depending on
 circumstances and goals), it is not *the* intelligent thing to do, which
 implies that anything else is necessarily unintelligent.  May other
 approaches could be intelligent as well, including some non-indulgent
 approaches.

 This attitude does not preclude being indulgent, and I'm sure that any
 of us who have that attitude would indulge our children (if we have
 them) by feeding them in their youth to ensure they do not starve.  One
 would hope, however, that we would teach those children to be a bit more
 self-sufficient before they reach the age of majority, however -- and
 that this self-sufficiency might suggest to them that a first approach to
 figuring out how to find out why a particular OS uses a given logo might
 be to check Wikipedia or search Google, or even to check the mailing list
 archives, before making accusatory, holier-than-thou demands of the
 community in the mailing list.

 The entire approach of the OP's demands was offensive and showed a
 distinct attitude of unwarranted entitlement.  It should be no wonder
 that people did not respond positively, especially given that it happens
 probably about twice a year.

 --
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I think it's safe to say that either a) Mr. Silveira has unsubscribed from
the list or b) learned to keep his mouth shut and scampered off into the
dark to learn the proper netiquette of this list. Must we continue to beat
this already dead horse?

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Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

2010-11-12 Thread Charlie Kester


On Fri 12 Nov 2010 at 15:44:01 PST Chris Brennan wrote:

Must we continue to beat this already dead horse?


Apparently the answer is yes, when we're not beating the equally
dead horse of the CLI vs GUI debate.

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Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

2010-11-12 Thread Gary Gatten

Let's start a thread listing dead horses to beat:

M$ vs Novell
Unix vs Linux
Mainframe vs PC
DAS vs SAN
Top-posting vs Bottom posting
Blah blah blah vs Yada yada yada

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Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

On Fri 12 Nov 2010 at 15:44:01 PST Chris Brennan wrote:
Must we continue to beat this already dead horse?

Apparently the answer is yes, when we're not beating the equally
dead horse of the CLI vs GUI debate.

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Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 6:57 PM, Charlie Kester corky1...@comcast.netwrote:

 On Fri 12 Nov 2010 at 15:44:01 PST Chris Brennan wrote:

 Must we continue to beat this already dead horse?


 Apparently the answer is yes, when we're not beating the equally
 dead horse of the CLI vs GUI debate.


But that has turned into quite an interesting philosophical debate. No one
is flamming anyone and everyone is contributing a little here and there to
the CLU(TUI)/GUI debate.

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Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 7:05 PM, Gary Gatten ggat...@waddell.com wrote:

 Let's start a thread listing dead horses to beat:

 M$ vs Novell
 Unix vs Linux
 Mainframe vs PC
 DAS vs SAN
 Top-posting vs Bottom posting
 Blah blah blah vs Yada yada yada


How ironic, I was just having this debate w/ a friend of mine off-list.
(top-posting vs. bottom-posting that is).

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Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

2010-11-12 Thread Gary Gatten

Bottom posting is a HUGE PITA on mobile devices, which I use a LOT. But, if top 
posting is the rule and the accepted way, then I GUESS I'll make more effort to 
avoid top posting. Maybe a new years resolution?

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Sent: Fri Nov 12 18:10:55 2010
Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 7:05 PM, Gary Gatten 
ggat...@waddell.commailto:ggat...@waddell.com wrote:
Let's start a thread listing dead horses to beat:

M$ vs Novell
Unix vs Linux
Mainframe vs PC
DAS vs SAN
Top-posting vs Bottom posting
Blah blah blah vs Yada yada yada

How ironic, I was just having this debate w/ a friend of mine off-list. 
(top-posting vs. bottom-posting that is).

Did you know...
If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages,

but what's worse is when you play it forward
  ...it installs Windows 2000
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Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

2010-11-12 Thread Polytropon

On Fri, 12 Nov 2010 15:57:46 -0800, Charlie Kester corky1...@comcast.net 
wrote:
 On Fri 12 Nov 2010 at 15:44:01 PST Chris Brennan wrote:
 Must we continue to beat this already dead horse?
 
 Apparently the answer is yes, when we're not beating the equally
 dead horse of the CLI vs GUI debate.

Why vs? It's and. So let's have the vs vs and debate.
And as we are already on-topic, let's discuss which logical
operator is the best, maybe we find an alternative to vs
or and... or... yes, what about or? :-)


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Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

2010-11-12 Thread Charlie Kester


On Fri 12 Nov 2010 at 16:05:33 PST Gary Gatten wrote:

Let's start a thread listing dead horses to beat:

M$ vs Novell
Unix vs Linux
Mainframe vs PC
DAS vs SAN
Top-posting vs Bottom posting
Blah blah blah vs Yada yada yada


OK, I'll play:

Gnome vs KDE
Ports vs Packages (vs PBI's)
GPL vs BSDL
C vs any other programming language
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Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

2010-11-12 Thread Gary Gatten

Dude, MicroFocus COBOL is WAY better than any flavor of C!  C is an 
indication of average, 70%!  Why didn't they call it A?

And yes, I'm joking about MicroFC vs C.  I'm not a developer so afaik assembly 
is the best!  All I do know is nothing is worse than Java. Not sure where that 
went wrong, but I HATE all the dependancy constraints Java apps have.  At one 
point I had to run 4 version of jave in two different browsersd to use the apps 
I needed.  BS!

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On Fri 12 Nov 2010 at 16:05:33 PST Gary Gatten wrote:
Let's start a thread listing dead horses to beat:

M$ vs Novell
Unix vs Linux
Mainframe vs PC
DAS vs SAN
Top-posting vs Bottom posting
Blah blah blah vs Yada yada yada

OK, I'll play:

Gnome vs KDE
Ports vs Packages (vs PBI's)
GPL vs BSDL
C vs any other programming language
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Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

2010-11-12 Thread Randal L. Schwartz

 Charlie == Charlie Kester corky1...@comcast.net writes:

Charlie OK, I'll play:

Charlie Gnome vs KDE
Charlie Ports vs Packages (vs PBI's)
Charlie GPL vs BSDL
Charlie C vs any other programming language

Perl vs Readability

:-)

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Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

2010-11-12 Thread Polytropon

On Fri, 12 Nov 2010 16:47:40 -0800, mer...@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) 
wrote:
  Charlie == Charlie Kester corky1...@comcast.net writes:
 
 Charlie OK, I'll play:
 
 Charlie Gnome vs KDE
 Charlie Ports vs Packages (vs PBI's)
 Charlie GPL vs BSDL
 Charlie C vs any other programming language
 
 Perl vs Readability
 
 :-)

Man vs machine?

:-)



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Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

2010-11-12 Thread Charlie Kester


On Fri 12 Nov 2010 at 16:47:40 PST Randal L. Schwartz wrote:

Charlie == Charlie Kester corky1...@comcast.net writes:


Charlie OK, I'll play:

Charlie Gnome vs KDE
Charlie Ports vs Packages (vs PBI's)
Charlie GPL vs BSDL
Charlie C vs any other programming language

Perl vs Readability


Coming from you, Randal, that's delicious!  Thanks for the laugh.
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Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

2010-11-12 Thread Chad Perrin

On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 06:44:01PM -0500, Chris Brennan wrote:
 
 I think it's safe to say that either a) Mr. Silveira has unsubscribed from
 the list or b) learned to keep his mouth shut and scampered off into the
 dark to learn the proper netiquette of this list. Must we continue to beat
 this already dead horse?

What would you have me do -- beat a live horse?  I'm not inclined to
subject a living creature to such cruelty.

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Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

2010-11-12 Thread Bruce Cran

On Fri, 12 Nov 2010 19:08:51 -0500
Chris Brennan xa...@xaerolimit.net wrote:

 Did you know...
 If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages,
 but what's worse is when you play it forward
   ...it installs Windows 2000

Yes, I think we know that by now.

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Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

2010-11-12 Thread Mubeesh ali

i guess  it is high time this list  bans the word devil in subject ;-)

On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 7:46 AM, Bruce Cran br...@cran.org.uk wrote:
 On Fri, 12 Nov 2010 19:08:51 -0500
 Chris Brennan xa...@xaerolimit.net wrote:

 Did you know...
 If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages,
 but what's worse is when you play it forward
                                       ...it installs Windows 2000

 Yes, I think we know that by now.

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Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote:

 On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 06:44:01PM -0500, Chris Brennan wrote:
 
  I think it's safe to say that either a) Mr. Silveira has unsubscribed
 from
  the list or b) learned to keep his mouth shut and scampered off into the
  dark to learn the proper netiquette of this list. Must we continue to
 beat
  this already dead horse?

 What would you have me do -- beat a live horse?  I'm not inclined to
 subject a living creature to such cruelty.

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Is beating a dead horse no more cruel?

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If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages,
but what's worse is when you play it forward

  ...it installs Windows 2000
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Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?