Re: FreeBSD vs. window managers
On Friday 02 September 2005 18:19, hal wrote: I am currently installing KDE from source and it is taking forever. #cd /usr/ports/x11/KDE3 # make Some of the packages needed cannot be found by the make file. Google is great but some of the packages are really hard to find. If you haven't already done so, you might want bring your ports tree up to date with cvsup or portsnap. I've never had to resort to google to find distfiles. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD vs. window managers
Louis LeBlanc [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So, two things that are important: ease of configuration and flexibility. You want those small tweaks to be painless, but you also want the WM to be able to do what you want it to. So far, I've not found anything I wanted that FVWM2 couldn't do. Documentation (man pages) are well written enough that tweaks are pretty easy to manage now too. Amen. Want to do something? Read man fvwm, edit .fvwm2. Done. I gave KDE a couple of good tries and while it's nice to have on the Gnoppix Live CDROM, for example, I don't want to climb it's learning curve to configure it to my own preferences in daily use. I keep the right 1.5 of my 4-page screen normally devoted to a column of gizmos that do everything I need to do. You can easily write gizmos (eg, Tk/Python) and hook them it into fvwm's button/display system, though fvwm has all the built-in gizmos I've needed except my online/offline button/indicator/GMT-display. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
FreeBSD vs. window managers
For FreeBSD 5.4 what is the: default window manager? developer recommended window manager? easiest to install? I am not trying to start a religious war here. I am currently installing KDE from source and it is taking forever. #cd /usr/ports/x11/KDE3 # make Some of the packages needed cannot be found by the make file. Google is great but some of the packages are really hard to find. hal ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD vs. window managers
I don't think there is a default. But I can tell you that if you want something small, try fluxbox-devel from ports, or one of the other lightweight wm's available there. Mike ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD vs. window managers
On 9/2/05, hal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For FreeBSD 5.4 what is the: default window manager? FreeBSD does not neccessarially install X windows by default, and hence does not have a default window manager like say RedHat which has developed thier own cross of gnome and kde. When you install x.org http://x.org I belive it will install twm as a default WM. developer recommended window manager? easiest to install? I would try using packages to install window managers while checking things out. You really do not gain that much by installiing things like this from ports performance wise (that is unless you are using aggressive compile time optimizations or passing non-standard variables to configure), once you find what WM you find most usable you can always remove the packages and install your windowmanger of choice from ports. -p -- ~~o0OO0o~~ Pete Wright www.nycbug.org http://www.nycbug.org NYC's *BSD User Group ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD vs. window managers
On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 11:19:09 -0600 hal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For FreeBSD 5.4 what is the: default window manager? if you don't install any wm or D.E. then there's probably only the ancient twm I am currently installing KDE from source and it is taking forever. #cd /usr/ports/x11/KDE3 # make you have the choice for kde-lite btw (/usr/ports/x11/kde-lite) nitpick KDE, Gnome and xfce4 are Desktop Environments, they use a wm but they are not wm's itselves /nitpick what kind of wm or D.E. do you want ? one of the most simplistic and light-weight ones is wm2 (see /usr/ports/x11-wm/wm2) takes less than 1 minute to compile afair if you want a desktop-environment, xfce4 is interesting (lightweight), but if you're coming from a MS-windows environment you might like KDE better ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD vs. window managers
On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 11:19:09 -0600 hal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For FreeBSD 5.4 what is the: default window manager? developer recommended window manager? easiest to install? I am not trying to start a religious war here. I am currently installing KDE from source and it is taking forever. #cd /usr/ports/x11/KDE3 # make Some of the packages needed cannot be found by the make file. Google is great but some of the packages are really hard to find. hal Is there a reason you're compiling KDE from source? KDE is included on the installation CD's. Using pkg_add, you can also install binary packages (and their dependencies) for releases and stable branches from the ftp sites. For example, to get KDE for the i386 architecture, 5- STABLE branch, root would execute: pkg_add ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-5-stable/All/kde-3.4.2.tbz (Beware wordwrap in emails.) Regards, Andrew Gould ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD vs. window managers
hal wrote: For FreeBSD 5.4 what is the: default window manager? developer recommended window manager? easiest to install? x-11wm/icewm is cool. It's lightweight, seems stable, and looks very attractive (imho). It's also quite easy for windoze people to relate to (not sure if that is a recommendation or a fault :P). games/xdesktopwaves is nice with it. Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD vs. window managers
On 09/02/05 11:19 AM, hal sat at the `puter and typed: For FreeBSD 5.4 what is the: default window manager? developer recommended window manager? easiest to install? I am not trying to start a religious war here. I am currently installing KDE from source and it is taking forever. #cd /usr/ports/x11/KDE3 # make Some of the packages needed cannot be found by the make file. Google is great but some of the packages are really hard to find. None of the window managers are difficult to install on FreeBSD, but some may be tricky to configure. Maybe most. If you want a window manager, not a desktop, you don't want KDE. That's a desktop/WM. My personal favorite for more than 6 years now is FVWM2. Flexible, fast, supports all kinds of cool things, like fancy key and mouse bindings, Xinerama, etc. Still, lot's of people like KDE, enlightenment(?), IceWM, the Gnome Desktop, etc. My advice is try a few different ones before deciding. See how intiutive or simple you find configuration (I like FVWM2 because it's simple text file configuration, and manpages are quite thorough). Just remember, you will probably get a basic configuration set up the way you want and not really touch it for a long time. Then one day, you'll look at it to tweak some behavior. My config has only changed a little over the last 6 years, and only one or two small tweaks at a time. Lots of times, I have to go back to reread documentation or commentary in the config to figure out what it's doing. So, two things that are important: ease of configuration and flexibility. You want those small tweaks to be painless, but you also want the WM to be able to do what you want it to. So far, I've not found anything I wanted that FVWM2 couldn't do. Documentation (man pages) are well written enough that tweaks are pretty easy to manage now too. BTW, I'm fairly mouse averse, so I have my config set up to allow me to keep my hands on the keys until I go into a browser, unless I decide to exercise the mouse for some reason. This includes switching pages on the desktop, switching desktops, switching apps, etc.. If I go to the mouse, it all works pretty much the same. Key bindings allow me to use the fancy buttons on my fancy keyboard to control audio and video playback, volume - including mute, and window layering (move to top, bottom, etc.) among many other things. Good luck. Lou -- Louis LeBlanc FreeBSD-at-keyslapper-DOT-net Fully Funded Hobbyist, KeySlapper Extrordinaire :) Please send off-list email to: leblanc at keyslapper d.t net Key fingerprint = C5E7 4762 F071 CE3B ED51 4FB8 AF85 A2FE 80C8 D9A2 VMS, n.: The world's foremost multi-user adventure game. pgpd7BcyMM4TK.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: FreeBSD vs. window managers
On Sep 3, 2005, at 10:56 AM, Louis LeBlanc wrote: None of the window managers are difficult to install on FreeBSD, but some may be tricky to configure. Maybe most. If you want a window manager, not a desktop, you don't want KDE. That's a desktop/WM. My personal favorite for more than 6 years now is FVWM2. Flexible, fast, supports all kinds of cool things, like fancy key and mouse bindings, Xinerama, etc. Still, lot's of people like KDE, enlightenment(?), IceWM, the Gnome Desktop, etc. My advice is try a few different ones before deciding. See how intiutive or simple you find configuration (I like FVWM2 because it's simple text file configuration, and manpages are quite thorough). Just remember, you will probably get a basic configuration set up the way you want and not really touch it for a long time. Then one day, you'll look at it to tweak some behavior. My config has only changed a little over the last 6 years, and only one or two small tweaks at a time. Lots of times, I have to go back to reread documentation or commentary in the config to figure out what it's doing. So, two things that are important: ease of configuration and flexibility. You want those small tweaks to be painless, but you also want the WM to be able to do what you want it to. So far, I've not found anything I wanted that FVWM2 couldn't do. Documentation (man pages) are well written enough that tweaks are pretty easy to manage now too. BTW, I'm fairly mouse averse, so I have my config set up to allow me to keep my hands on the keys until I go into a browser, unless I decide to exercise the mouse for some reason. This includes switching pages on the desktop, switching desktops, switching apps, etc.. If I go to the mouse, it all works pretty much the same. Key bindings allow me to use the fancy buttons on my fancy keyboard to control audio and video playback, volume - including mute, and window layering (move to top, bottom, etc.) among many other things. Good luck. Lou -- Louis LeBlanc FreeBSD-at-keyslapper-DOT-net Fully Funded Hobbyist, KeySlapper Extrordinaire :) Please send off-list email to: leblanc at keyslapper d.t net Key fingerprint = C5E7 4762 F071 CE3B ED51 4FB8 AF85 A2FE 80C8 D9A2 VMS, n.: The world's foremost multi-user adventure game. All depends on your taste, like Louis and others have been saying. If you want a complete desktop system (has a variety of tools, etc), try straight Gnome or KDE. As you've discovered though, compiling them takes quite a while as they are quite large. If you just want a WM (a means to view X programs), there are a variety of different choices: TWM (prepackaged, ugly), FVWM2, IceWM, Enlightenment, Fluxbox, XFCE4.2, and quite a few others exist for your X use. No one can really say which is best, I think, as it all depends on your choice and preference in terms of interfacing with X and programs, as well as how much resources you want to use, etc. There are also lighter versions of the KDE and-I think it's in the ports tree-Gnome meta builds which come with a lot less programs if you wish to only install needed and certain components to your system. -Garrett ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Window managers
Chuck Swiger writes: It's not hard. pkg_delete -xf kde or pkg_delete -xf gnome. [ You might want to be a little more selective than using such a wildcard, however, although if you've got the precompiled packages handy, reinstalling something again is not a big deal if you need a dependency. ] Where is gnome? I can't find anything that looks like it among the packages. All I found was something to insert GNOME menus into window manager, or something like that. -- Anthony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Window managers
On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 16:52:35 +0100, Anthony Atkielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chuck Swiger writes: It's not hard. pkg_delete -xf kde or pkg_delete -xf gnome. [ You might want to be a little more selective than using such a wildcard, however, although if you've got the precompiled packages handy, reinstalling something again is not a big deal if you need a dependency. ] Where is gnome? I can't find anything that looks like it among the packages. All I found was something to insert GNOME menus into window manager, or something like that. -- Anthony [EMAIL PROTECTED] make search name=gnome | grep Port Port: gnomemag-0.11.14 Port: gnomespeech-0.3.6_1 Port: gnomeaudio2-2.0.0 Port: gnomemedia2-2.8.0_2 Port: gnomedb-0.2.96_2 Port: libgnomedb-1.0.4_2 Port: gdesklets-gnomebar-0.20_1 Port: gnomeblog-0.8 Port: gnomepim-1.4.9_2 Port: gnomeutils2-2.8.1_1,1 Port: gnome-vfsmm-2.6.1_1 Port: gnome2-hacker-tools-2.8.2 Port: gnomebuild-0.1.0_4 Port: gnomecommon-2.8.0 Port: gnomecrash-0.0.5_1 Port: gnomevfs-1.0.5_6 Port: gnomevfs2-2.8.3_3 Port: libgsf-gnome-1.10.1_1 Port: ruby18-gnomevfs-0.11.0 Port: gnome2-office-2.8.2 Port: gnomepm-0.9.3_2 Port: gnome-music-quiz-0.1_3 Port: gnomeattacks-0.3_3 Port: gnomebreakout-0.5.3_1 Port: gnomechess-0.3.3_2 Port: gnomegames2-2.8.2_1 Port: gnomegames2-extra-data-2.8.0 Port: gnomekiss-1.6_1 Port: gnomememoryblocks-0.2_1 Port: gnomermind-1.0.1_1 Port: nethack-gnome-3.3.1_4 Port: nethack-gnome-3.4.3_2 Port: gnomecanvas-0.22.0_3 Port: gnomeiconedit-1.2.0_1 Port: libgnomecanvas-2.8.0 Port: libgnomecanvasmm-2.0.1_3 Port: libgnomecanvasmm-2.6.1_1 Port: ruby18-gnomecanvas2-0.11.0 Port: xchat-gnome-0.2_1 Port: ja-gnome-1.4.1b2_7 Port: ja-gnomelibs-1.4.2_3 Port: gnomebasic-0.0.20_1 Port: gnome-icon-theme-2.8.0_1 Port: gnome-osd-0.6.0 Port: gnomehier-1.0_22 Port: gnomemimedata-2.4.2 Port: gnomesword-2.1.1_2 Port: gnomeuserdocs2-2.8.1 Port: gnome-btdownload-0.0.17,1 Port: gnome-jabber-0.4_1 Port: gnome-mud-0.10.5_3 Port: gnome-vnc-0.1_2 Port: gnomeicu2-0.99.5_2 Port: gnomemeeting-0.98.5_4 Port: gnomenetstatus-2.8.0_2 Port: gnomenettool-1.0.0_1,1 Port: gnometelnet-2.5_1 Port: gnomepilot-conduits2-2.0.12_1 Port: gnomepilot2-2.0.12_1 Port: synce-gnomevfs-0.9.0 Port: gnome-cups-manager-0.28,1 Port: gnomephotoprinter-0.6.3_3 Port: gnomeprint-0.37_1 Port: libgnomecups-0.1.14,1 Port: libgnomeprint-2.8.2 Port: p5-GnomePrint-0.7009_1 Port: ruby18-gnomeprint-0.11.0 Port: gnome-password-generator-1.4_1 Port: gnome-ssh-askpass-3.6p1_3 Port: gnomekeyring-0.4.1 Port: gnomekeyringmanager-0.0.4 Port: libgnomesu-0.9.7 Port: gnome-pkgview-1.0.4_3 Port: gnome-schedule-0.1.0 Port: gnomecontrolcenter-1.4.0.5_2 Port: gnomecontrolcenter2-2.8.1_2 Port: gnomefind-1.0.2_1 Port: gnomesu-0.3.1_1 Port: gnomesystemmonitor-2.8.1 Port: gnomesystemtools-1.0.2 Port: gnome-translate-0.99 Port: gnomespell-1.0.5_4 Port: iiimf-gnome-im-switcher-r12.0.1_1 Port: gnome-user-share-0.5 Port: gnome-clipboard-daemon-1.0_3 Port: gnome-swallow-1.1_3 Port: gnome2-2.8.2 Port: gnome2-fifth-toe-2.8.2 Port: gnome2-lite-2.8.2 Port: gnome2-power-tools-2.8.2 Port: gnomeapplets2-2.8.2 Port: gnomedesktop-2.8.1 Port: gnomelibs-1.4.2_3 Port: gnomepanel-2.8.2 Port: gnomesession-2.8.1_1 Port: gnometerminal-2.8.2 Port: libgnome-2.8.0_2 Port: libgnome-java-2.6.0_1 Port: libgnomemm-2.0.1_3 Port: libgnomemm-2.6.0_1 Port: linux-gnomelibs-1.2.8_2 Port: multi-gnome-terminal-1.6.2_1 Port: ruby18-gnome-0.34_1 Port: ruby18-gnome-all-0.34_1 Port: ruby18-gnome2-0.11.0 Port: ruby18-gnome2-all-0.11.0_1 Port: xscreensaver-gnome-4.19 Port: gnome-commander-1.0.1_2 Port: gnome-commander2-1.1.6_1 Port: gnome-font-sampler-0.4 Port: gnome-icons-20040229 Port: gnome-icons-aqua-fusion-20030216_1 Port: gnome-icons-cool-gorilla-20030726_1 Port: gnome-icons-crystal-1.2.0 Port: gnome-icons-gentoo-test-0.1_1 Port: gnome-icons-iris-0.4_1 Port: gnome-icons-lila-0.6.2 Port: gnome-icons-noia-full-20041102 Port: gnome-icons-noia-warm-20041102 Port: gnome-icons-refined-20030203_1 Port: gnome-icons-slick-20030209_1 Port: gnome-icons-snow-apple-20030202_1 Port: gnome-icons-stylish-20030129 Port: gnome-icons-ximian-south-1.3.6_1 Port: gnome-industrial-theme-0.2.29_4 Port: gnome-look-0.1.3_1 Port: gnome-themes-2.8.2 Port: gnome-themes-extras-0.8.0_1 Port: bakery_gnomeui-2.0.0_4 Port: gnomemm-2.6.2_1 Port: guile-gnome-0.20_7 Port: libgail-gnome-1.1.0 Port: libgnomeprintui-2.8.2 Port: libgnomeui-2.8.0_1 Port: libgnomeuimm-2.0.0_4 Port: libgnomeuimm-2.6.0_1 Port: p5-Gnome-0.7009_1 Port: p5-Gnome2-1.00_2 Port: p5-Gnome2-Canvas-1.00_3 Port: p5-Gnome2-VFS-1.001_2 Port: py-gnome-1.4.4_3 Port: py24-gnome-2.6.2 Port: ruby18-gnomeprintui-0.11.0 Port: gnome2wmaker-1.2_1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- If I
Re: Window managers
On Thu, 24 Feb 2005, Anthony Atkielski wrote: Chuck Swiger writes: It's not hard. pkg_delete -xf kde or pkg_delete -xf gnome. [ You might want to be a little more selective than using such a wildcard, however, although if you've got the precompiled packages handy, reinstalling something again is not a big deal if you need a dependency. ] Where is gnome? I can't find anything that looks like it among the packages. All I found was something to insert GNOME menus into window manager, or something like that. -- Anthony Gnome2, MetaCity, etc ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Window managers
On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 16:52:35 +0100, Anthony Atkielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chuck Swiger writes: It's not hard. pkg_delete -xf kde or pkg_delete -xf gnome. [ You might want to be a little more selective than using such a wildcard, however, although if you've got the precompiled packages handy, reinstalling something again is not a big deal if you need a dependency. ] Where is gnome? I can't find anything that looks like it among the packages. All I found was something to insert GNOME menus into window manager, or something like that. There is a simple path to getting up and running. 1 - install X11. There is a single port (/usr/ports/x11/xorg) which will install all the required packages. 2 - config X11. Use xorgconfig and come up with a basic functional config (it will reside in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xorg.conf). There is a manpage for xorg.conf so once you have the basic one it is probably easier to tweak it in a text editor to iron out the kinks. The xorg manpage should point you to related manpages. 3 - install gnome. Also simple - install /usr/ports/x11/gnome2 and you'll get all the packages. You can install gdm (see /usr/X11R6/etc/rc.d/) to start X/gnome at boot time. Alternatively, make a .xinitrc file in your home directory containing a call to gnome-session and run startx. good luck ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Window managers (was: Different OS's? Marketshare)
On Wednesday, 23 February 2005 at 22:51:26 -0500, Chris Hill wrote: On Wed, 23 Feb 2005, Anthony Atkielski wrote: [...] I keep wondering if [...] I should just continue with FreeBSD and install X on the machine (and KDE, probably, since it seems to be popular, although I welcome suggestions). Which window manager is the closest to classic UNIX window managers (as opposed to wannabe Windows products)? It's not clear what you mean by classic UNIX window managers - maybe CDE or Motif? Possibly. It could also be something primitive like twm, of course. That's available in the Ports Collection for people who want the bad old days back. In any case I've never used them and can't answer that specific question. I'd suggest fvwm2. As for the former... I installed KDE on my 4.10 machine a while ago just to have a look-see, and it seemed *very* Windows-y to me. Start menu, integrated file/web browser, etc. I don't care for it, and didn't bother reinstalling it after going to 5.3. If you don't want a wannabe Windows product, I think you might not like KDE. I think I could agree with that. Before and after KDE, I've been using fvwm2 - it's a relatively plain but very configurable window manager, though I suppose you could make it as fancy as you wanted. Heh. I moved to fvwm2 from mwm (Motif window manager), and there wasn't too much difference there. Greg -- When replying to this message, please copy the original recipients. If you don't, I may ignore the reply or reply to the original recipients. For more information, see http://www.lemis.com/questions.html See complete headers for address and phone numbers. pgpCMRru4qL5L.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Window managers (was: Different OS's? Marketshare)
Greg 'groggy' Lehey writes: Possibly. It could also be something primitive like twm, of course. I meant whatever is used most on commercial UNIX configurations, like Solaris or whatever I'd be likely to encounter on a large site. It appears that CDE is a strictly commercial package, so I won't be using that. How hard is it to _uninstall_ window managers and desktops? Confronted with bewildering choices, I have Xfce downloading now; it looked clean in the screen shots and apparently it doesn't require many resources. KDE looks awfully heavy and adolescent and I don't know that I'm interested in something that tries so hard to be like Windows. -- Anthony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Window managers (was: Different OS's? Marketshare)
On Feb 23, 2005, at 10:56 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: Greg 'groggy' Lehey writes: Possibly. It could also be something primitive like twm, of course. I meant whatever is used most on commercial UNIX configurations, like Solaris or whatever I'd be likely to encounter on a large site. It appears that CDE is a strictly commercial package, so I won't be using that. Someone I know works at SUN. He said most of the people there that he knows have ditched CDE and use Gnome :-( and I think SUN may be adopting Gnome or one of the other ones to replace CDE Chad How hard is it to _uninstall_ window managers and desktops? Confronted with bewildering choices, I have Xfce downloading now; it looked clean in the screen shots and apparently it doesn't require many resources. KDE looks awfully heavy and adolescent and I don't know that I'm interested in something that tries so hard to be like Windows. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Window managers
Anthony Atkielski wrote: Greg 'groggy' Lehey writes: Possibly. It could also be something primitive like twm, of course. I meant whatever is used most on commercial UNIX configurations, like Solaris or whatever I'd be likely to encounter on a large site. Back in the good old days, that would have been OpenLook. Today, you'd probably find KDE or GNOME on most systems (FreeBSD, Linux, OS X). It appears that CDE is a strictly commercial package, so I won't be using that. How hard is it to _uninstall_ window managers and desktops? It's not hard. pkg_delete -xf kde or pkg_delete -xf gnome. [ You might want to be a little more selective than using such a wildcard, however, although if you've got the precompiled packages handy, reinstalling something again is not a big deal if you need a dependency. ] -- -Chuck ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: window managers don't work over ssh
On Tuesday 18 January 2005 10:19, Xian wrote: On Tuesday 18 January 2005 01:17, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jan 17, 2005 at 11:43:27PM +, Xian wrote: I cant seem to make any window manager work over ssh, but they all work locally. I am using Xorg now, and i didn't have this problem with XFree86. I start X with just xterm for testing: startx /usr/X11R6/bin/xterm and then type ssh -CXf my.home.machine twm Hello Xian, sometimes using -Y instead of -X solves a lot of X11 forwarding problems. Not sure if it would solve your problem, but did you try this? in the xterm and it tells me it cant find any unmanaged screens. Ive no idea whats doing wrong because other X apps work over ssh and window managers work locally. Any help much appreciated. -- /Xian Good luck, -cpghost. -Y does work on my main machine to test it startx /usr/bin/ssh -Y anothe.machine twm -- :1 I will mostly be using this from college as I take a FreeSBIE CD with me and us that instead of whatever M$ windowz happens to be on the machine. I'll have a good look into what -Y really dose today. Thanks :D I'm not quite sure what -Y does after reading the ssh man page. I see that it give the X client more access to your server in some way but not what way. I am running the X server from a FreeSBIE machine, and connecting to my home machine to run KDE. Is this secure enough? -- /Xian The hardest thing in the world to understand is the income tax. Albert Einstein ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: window managers don't work over ssh
On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 23:43:27 + Xian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I cant seem to make any window manager work over ssh, but they all work locally. I am using Xorg now, and i didn't have this problem with XFree86. I start X with just xterm for testing: startx /usr/X11R6/bin/xterm and then type ssh -CXf my.home.machine twm in the xterm and it tells me it cant find any unmanaged screens. Ive no idea whats doing wrong because other X apps work over ssh and window managers work locally. Any help much appreciated. Not sure of what it would be, but the freebsd x11 mailing list would probally be useful. Also trying a xorg specific list may be useful. Best of luck. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: window managers don't work over ssh
On Tuesday 18 January 2005 01:17, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jan 17, 2005 at 11:43:27PM +, Xian wrote: I cant seem to make any window manager work over ssh, but they all work locally. I am using Xorg now, and i didn't have this problem with XFree86. I start X with just xterm for testing: startx /usr/X11R6/bin/xterm and then type ssh -CXf my.home.machine twm Hello Xian, sometimes using -Y instead of -X solves a lot of X11 forwarding problems. Not sure if it would solve your problem, but did you try this? in the xterm and it tells me it cant find any unmanaged screens. Ive no idea whats doing wrong because other X apps work over ssh and window managers work locally. Any help much appreciated. -- /Xian Good luck, -cpghost. -Y does work on my main machine to test it startx /usr/bin/ssh -Y anothe.machine twm -- :1 I will mostly be using this from college as I take a FreeSBIE CD with me and us that instead of whatever M$ windowz happens to be on the machine. I'll have a good look into what -Y really dose today. Thanks :D -- /Xian A snooze button is a poor substitute for no alarm clock at all unknown author ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
window managers don't work over ssh
I cant seem to make any window manager work over ssh, but they all work locally. I am using Xorg now, and i didn't have this problem with XFree86. I start X with just xterm for testing: startx /usr/X11R6/bin/xterm and then type ssh -CXf my.home.machine twm in the xterm and it tells me it cant find any unmanaged screens. Ive no idea whats doing wrong because other X apps work over ssh and window managers work locally. Any help much appreciated. -- /Xian Knowledge speaks but wisdom listens Jimi Hendrix ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: window managers don't work over ssh
what's in your ~/.xinitrc ? you may be running twm or the like. Xian wrote: I cant seem to make any window manager work over ssh, but they all work locally. I am using Xorg now, and i didn't have this problem with XFree86. I start X with just xterm for testing: startx /usr/X11R6/bin/xterm and then type ssh -CXf my.home.machine twm in the xterm and it tells me it cant find any unmanaged screens. Ive no idea whats doing wrong because other X apps work over ssh and window managers work locally. Any help much appreciated. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: window managers don't work over ssh
On Mon, Jan 17, 2005 at 11:43:27PM +, Xian wrote: I cant seem to make any window manager work over ssh, but they all work locally. I am using Xorg now, and i didn't have this problem with XFree86. I start X with just xterm for testing: startx /usr/X11R6/bin/xterm and then type ssh -CXf my.home.machine twm Hello Xian, sometimes using -Y instead of -X solves a lot of X11 forwarding problems. Not sure if it would solve your problem, but did you try this? in the xterm and it tells me it cant find any unmanaged screens. Ive no idea whats doing wrong because other X apps work over ssh and window managers work locally. Any help much appreciated. -- /Xian Good luck, -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: window managers don't work over ssh
On Tue, Jan 18, 2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jan 17, 2005 at 11:43:27PM +, Xian wrote: I cant seem to make any window manager work over ssh, but they all work locally. I am using Xorg now, and i didn't have this problem with XFree86. I start X with just xterm for testing: startx /usr/X11R6/bin/xterm and then type ssh -CXf my.home.machine twm Hello Xian, sometimes using -Y instead of -X solves a lot of X11 forwarding problems. Not sure if it would solve your problem, but did you try this? Several conditions have to be met to forward X11 using ssh/openssh: 1. The sshd_config file on the machine you're connecting to has to have ``X11Forwarding yes'' set. 2. On the client machine, the ssh_config file needs ``ForwardX11 yes'' or the ssh command must use the ``-X'' option. 3. On newer versions of openssh, the client ssh_config must have ``ForwardX11Trusted yes''. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``Find out just what people will submit to, and you have found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them; and these will continue until they are resisted with either words or blows, or both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress.'' -- Frederick Douglass. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: window managers don't work over ssh
Kris Maglione wrote: what's in your ~/.xinitrc ? you may be running twm or the like. Oh, you're trying to run twm. I guess that's not what's running, then. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: window managers don't work over ssh
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 18 January 2005 02:17, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Xian, sometimes using -Y instead of -X solves a lot of X11 forwarding problems. Not sure if it would solve your problem, but did you try this? If you use this in a multiuser environment, please also read about the securtity considerations of options ForwardX11 and ForwardX11Trusted in 'man 5 ssh_config' . Cheers, ch - -- Christian Hiris [EMAIL PROTECTED] | OpenPGP KeyID 0x3BCA53BE OpenPGP-Key at hkp://wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net and http://pgp.mit.edu -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFB7HVB09WjGjvKU74RAvrXAJ4rnSRVF93KMQXqY+whDrt7Be1udACfSqOY wzsSDkhltEQLnMArmXOtNLA= =Uo0B -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ssh, window managers, and xorg
I use xorg and it works well for everything local. To test it I started xorg with just xterm as the client like so: % startx /usr/X11R6/bin/xterm In this terminal I can start a window manger such as twm and it works fine, but I can't start a window manger on a remote machine: % ssh -Xf some.machine twm twm: another window manager is already running on screen 0? twm: unable to find any unmanaged screens I can use ssh like that to start an xterm or any other xclient on another machine tho. I don't think the KDE window manger has much success either cos when that is started remotely none of the windows have borders but it doesn't complain. I can do exactly the same things on a machine using XFree86 instead and they all work fine. Do i have to tell xorg to allow remote window managers or something? or dose it have a window manger built in that I have to disable? I have found this to happen on my workstation and on the FreeSBIE CD that I am trying to use at college. Any help will be very much appreciated. Thanks in advance. -- /Xian In C we had to code our own bugs. In C++ we can inherit them unknown author ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Using multiple window managers
On Wed, 1 Jan 2003, Bob Bomar wrote: Subject: Re: Using multiple window managers On Wed, Jan 01, 2003 at 01:40:11AM -0500, Scott Robbins wrote: On Wed, Jan 01, 2003 at 01:20:40AM -0500, Bob Bomar wrote: I want to set up a demo box that shows diffrent Window Managers. What is a good way to swith between window managers? A simple shell script would do it--it's 1:30 am here, but quick hack Yeah, I just got it: snip You could also setup xdm|kdm|gdm|wdm (or whatever X login manager you like) to start the window manager of your choice from the drop-down menu. Just a thought in case you want to keep it fully graphical. # John Bleichert # http://vonbek.dhs.org/latest.jpg To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
Re: Using multiple window managers
On Wed, Jan 01, 2003 at 01:20:40AM -0500, Bob Bomar wrote: I want to set up a demo box that shows diffrent Window Managers. What is a good way to swith between window managers? A simple shell script would do it--it's 1:30 am here, but quick hack #!/usr/local//bin/bash #script to select window manager echo echo Please select your Xsession echo PS3=Your choice = ; export PS3 select choice in Gnome Kde Fluxbox do case $choice in Fluxbox) echo exec fluxbox .xinitrc startx break ;; Kde) echo startkde .xinitrc startx break;; Gnome) echo exec gnome-session .xinitrc startx break;; *) echo echo Please choose 1, 2 or 3 echo (or hit Ctrl+C to exit) echo esac done Even as I look at this, it looks pretty lame, but should get you started. HTH and happy new year all -- Scott Robbins PGP keyID EB3467D6 ( 1B48 077D 66F6 9DB0 FDC2 A409 FA54 D575 EB34 67D6 ) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys EB3467D6 Xander: Hmm, and we thought just because we didn't have any money or any place to go, this'd be a lackluster evening. Willow: I know! We could go to the Bronze, and sneak in our own tea bags and ask for hot water. Xander: Hop off the outlaw train, Will, before you land us all in jail. -- /\ | Bob Bomar [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.bomar.us/~bob | || | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve.http://www.freeBSD.org | \/ -- Scott Robbins PGP keyID EB3467D6 ( 1B48 077D 66F6 9DB0 FDC2 A409 FA54 D575 EB34 67D6 ) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys EB3467D6 Xander: Hmm, and we thought just because we didn't have any money or any place to go, this'd be a lackluster evening. Willow: I know! We could go to the Bronze, and sneak in our own tea bags and ask for hot water. Xander: Hop off the outlaw train, Will, before you land us all in jail. msg13889/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Using multiple window managers
On Wed, Jan 01, 2003 at 01:40:11AM -0500, Scott Robbins wrote: On Wed, Jan 01, 2003 at 01:20:40AM -0500, Bob Bomar wrote: I want to set up a demo box that shows diffrent Window Managers. What is a good way to swith between window managers? A simple shell script would do it--it's 1:30 am here, but quick hack Yeah, I just got it: #!/bin/sh echo What window manager do you want to start? echo 1: KDE echo 2: GNOME echo 3: Window Maker read wm if test $wm = 1 then ln -s /home/bob/.kde_start /home/bob/.xinitrc elif test $wm = 2 then ln -s /home/bob/.gnome_start /home/bob/.xinitrc elif test $wm = 3 then ln -s /home/bob/.wmaker_start /home/bob/.xinitrc fi /usr/X11R6/bin/startx --+xinerama -- /\ | Bob Bomar [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.bomar.us/~bob | || | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve. http://www.freeBSD.org | \/ msg13890/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
virtual window managers
i would like to know if there exists any fix for my problem here: problem: apps like XV and MPEG_PLAY refused to open dialogs/windows in any virtual window other than the one containing the origin in window managers that support them (VTWM in my case). this really sucks, since one is forced to always remain in the virtual window #1 when using these apps (there's probably more) or any apps that call on these apps - which destroys the whole purpose of having a virtual window type window manager. from what i understand, it's due to incorrect function calls by these apps, and this appears to be a long standing problem, since it is documented in 6+ year old documentation. i guess i am wondering why this stuff has never been fixed by the authors of these apps, or anyone else - or if their is a solution i am unaware of ... thank you. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
