Re: Xterm options for correct man page display?

2012-10-07 Thread Jamie Paul Griffin
[ Thomas Dickey wrote on Sat  6.Oct'12 at  7:32:00 -0400 ]

 On Sat, Oct 06, 2012 at 07:31:07AM -0400, Thomas Dickey wrote:
  On Sat, Oct 06, 2012 at 10:45:52AM +0100, Jamie Paul Griffin wrote:
   [ Ronald F. Guilmette wrote on Sat  6.Oct'12 at  2:25:04 -0700 ]
   

When I view man pages in a xterm window, some parts of them are coming
out a bit garbled.

I'm sure that there must be some recommended option or options for
xterm that will cause man pages to display properly.  If someone would
tell me what those options are, I would appreciate it.  Thanks.
   
   It will most likely be due to your locale settings. Also, I experimented 
   with fonts in xterm and uxterm, only the default font allowed unicode 
   charaters to display, so I am now using urxvt and it works great. I also 
   changed my pager option in the shell start up file to less as opposed to 
   more, and set lesscharset environment variable, man pages display fine 
   now for me.
  
  For people using UTF-8, the uxterm script works out of the box...
  
  The usual problem with fonts is from overwriting the utf8Fonts resource
  setting via a too-wide fonts wildcard pattern.
 
 For example
 
   http://invisible-island.net/xterm/xterm.faq.html#utf8_fonts

Hi Thomas - is understand what your saying about uxterm - it does display utf8 
fonts correctly when leaving the font resource alone, but the default font is 
very small, too small for my eyes. 

I installed a large number of utf8 supported X fonts, the ones I've tried don't 
display Chinese or Korean, or Russian fonts etc. It became a little frustrating 
which made me change to another terminal. The link you provided doesn't appear 
to be active. Would you be kind enough to show the resource settings you have 
used?

I spent a long time reading through the man page and trying out different 
resource settings and combinations of them, European fonts were never a 
problem, just the east Asian characters and Russian characters as I mentioned.

I've set my locale to en_GB.UTF-8 using /etc/login.conf and then cap_mkdb 
/etc/login.conf. As I said in my previous email, urxvt has no problem 
displaying these characters but I'd like to get uxterm working properly none 
the less, as I'm sure the OP does as well.

Best wishes, Jamie
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Re: Xterm options for correct man page display?

2012-10-07 Thread Thomas Dickey
On Sun, Oct 07, 2012 at 09:09:13AM +0100, Jamie Paul Griffin wrote:
 [ Thomas Dickey wrote on Sat  6.Oct'12 at  7:32:00 -0400 ]
 
  On Sat, Oct 06, 2012 at 07:31:07AM -0400, Thomas Dickey wrote:
   On Sat, Oct 06, 2012 at 10:45:52AM +0100, Jamie Paul Griffin wrote:
[ Ronald F. Guilmette wrote on Sat  6.Oct'12 at  2:25:04 -0700 ]

 
 When I view man pages in a xterm window, some parts of them are coming
 out a bit garbled.
 
 I'm sure that there must be some recommended option or options for
 xterm that will cause man pages to display properly.  If someone would
 tell me what those options are, I would appreciate it.  Thanks.

It will most likely be due to your locale settings. Also, I 
experimented with fonts in xterm and uxterm, only the default font 
allowed unicode charaters to display, so I am now using urxvt and it 
works great. I also changed my pager option in the shell start up file 
to less as opposed to more, and set lesscharset environment variable, 
man pages display fine now for me.
   
   For people using UTF-8, the uxterm script works out of the box...
   
   The usual problem with fonts is from overwriting the utf8Fonts resource
   setting via a too-wide fonts wildcard pattern.
  
  For example
  
  http://invisible-island.net/xterm/xterm.faq.html#utf8_fonts
 
 Hi Thomas - is understand what your saying about uxterm - it does display
 utf8 fonts correctly when leaving the font resource alone, but the default
 font is very small, too small for my eyes. 
 
 I installed a large number of utf8 supported X fonts, the ones I've tried
 don't display Chinese or Korean, or Russian fonts etc.  It became a little
 frustrating which made me change to another terminal.  The link you provided
 doesn't appear to be active.  Would you be kind enough to show the resource
 settings you have used?

Well - the default size is a compromise (there are people who apparently
use the smallest size regularly - looking at urxvt out-of-the-box, it's
true there)(*).  I generally use the font-size switching feature which I
adapted from rxvt (one of the features which was omitted in urxvt),
and switch to one of the two largest sizes using shift-keypad-plus.
There are differences in the default fonts' coverage for CJK fonts,
but between those two sizes I can see almost all characters.
 
 I spent a long time reading through the man page and trying out different
 resource settings and combinations of them, European fonts were never a
 problem, just the east Asian characters and Russian characters as I
 mentioned.

I haven't noticed a problem (with uxterm) for Russian characters - more
info might help.
 
 I've set my locale to en_GB.UTF-8 using /etc/login.conf and then cap_mkdb
 /etc/login.conf.  As I said in my previous email, urxvt has no problem
 displaying these characters but I'd like to get uxterm working properly none
 the less, as I'm sure the OP does as well.

(*) the default size when switching to TrueType fonts is roughly what I
use normally for the bitmap fonts (much larger than the default), and
I should have made it consistent.  It's configurable, and I later
added a note in the manpage explaining how to do this...

The default font for xterm has always been the fixed font, which
as noted above I find too small for normal use.

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Xterm options for correct man page display?

2012-10-06 Thread Ronald F. Guilmette

When I view man pages in a xterm window, some parts of them are coming
out a bit garbled.

I'm sure that there must be some recommended option or options for
xterm that will cause man pages to display properly.  If someone would
tell me what those options are, I would appreciate it.  Thanks.
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Re: Xterm options for correct man page display?

2012-10-06 Thread Jamie Paul Griffin
[ Ronald F. Guilmette wrote on Sat  6.Oct'12 at  2:25:04 -0700 ]

 
 When I view man pages in a xterm window, some parts of them are coming
 out a bit garbled.
 
 I'm sure that there must be some recommended option or options for
 xterm that will cause man pages to display properly.  If someone would
 tell me what those options are, I would appreciate it.  Thanks.

It will most likely be due to your locale settings. Also, I experimented with 
fonts in xterm and uxterm, only the default font allowed unicode charaters to 
display, so I am now using urxvt and it works great. I also changed my pager 
option in the shell start up file to less as opposed to more, and set 
lesscharset environment variable, man pages display fine now for me.
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Re: Xterm options for correct man page display?

2012-10-06 Thread Thomas Dickey
On Sat, Oct 06, 2012 at 07:31:07AM -0400, Thomas Dickey wrote:
 On Sat, Oct 06, 2012 at 10:45:52AM +0100, Jamie Paul Griffin wrote:
  [ Ronald F. Guilmette wrote on Sat  6.Oct'12 at  2:25:04 -0700 ]
  
   
   When I view man pages in a xterm window, some parts of them are coming
   out a bit garbled.
   
   I'm sure that there must be some recommended option or options for
   xterm that will cause man pages to display properly.  If someone would
   tell me what those options are, I would appreciate it.  Thanks.
  
  It will most likely be due to your locale settings. Also, I experimented 
  with fonts in xterm and uxterm, only the default font allowed unicode 
  charaters to display, so I am now using urxvt and it works great. I also 
  changed my pager option in the shell start up file to less as opposed to 
  more, and set lesscharset environment variable, man pages display fine now 
  for me.
 
 For people using UTF-8, the uxterm script works out of the box...
 
 The usual problem with fonts is from overwriting the utf8Fonts resource
 setting via a too-wide fonts wildcard pattern.

For example

http://invisible-island.net/xterm/xterm.faq.html#utf8_fonts

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Re: Xterm options for correct man page display?

2012-10-06 Thread Thomas Dickey
On Sat, Oct 06, 2012 at 10:45:52AM +0100, Jamie Paul Griffin wrote:
 [ Ronald F. Guilmette wrote on Sat  6.Oct'12 at  2:25:04 -0700 ]
 
  
  When I view man pages in a xterm window, some parts of them are coming
  out a bit garbled.
  
  I'm sure that there must be some recommended option or options for
  xterm that will cause man pages to display properly.  If someone would
  tell me what those options are, I would appreciate it.  Thanks.
 
 It will most likely be due to your locale settings. Also, I experimented with 
 fonts in xterm and uxterm, only the default font allowed unicode charaters to 
 display, so I am now using urxvt and it works great. I also changed my pager 
 option in the shell start up file to less as opposed to more, and set 
 lesscharset environment variable, man pages display fine now for me.

For people using UTF-8, the uxterm script works out of the box...

The usual problem with fonts is from overwriting the utf8Fonts resource
setting via a too-wide fonts wildcard pattern.

-- 
Thomas E. Dickey
http://invisible-island.net
ftp://invisible-island.net


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