Re: about logo (The Beasdie question)
On Sat, 31 Jan 2004, Mark Terribile wrote: Bubble Gum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just want to ask (i'm sorry if it's a silly question),why freebsd logo use devil character? Answered by Paul A. Hoadley and Peter Ulrich Kruppa: It's not a devil. It's a daemon. === 1) It isn't a devil but a small daemon, ... programs called daemons, ... 2) [It's] name is beastie, ... a quasihomophone to BSD ... 3) On http://www.freebsdmall.com you can buy Tee-shirts, ... As a recent member of OOOF (The Organization of Obsolete Old Fogies) I was there (well, nearby) when it happened. [...] Backstory on `demon/daemon': In pre-Christian (ie. Greek) thinking, a daemon was a spirit, neither angelic nor diabolical, which took care of something, someone, or someplace. (This was education by osmosis, so feel free to correct me.) In Plato's _The Death of Socrates_ (or _Last Days of Socrates_, or ...) Apologia you can read Socrates speculation on the hereafter, and of a guide spirit that he expects will be there to greet him. Dualism was Plato's fundamental or general view of the world. The idea to reduce this view to the dualism of good and evil seems to come from Zarathustra (Zoroaster) who lived sometime between 1000 and 500 a.C. . This thought was picked up by another Persian called Mani (around 250 p.C.) and integrated into the christian religion to prevent a schisma ... and this is all a terrible simplification. As to the name: it's my speculation that, when Christianity came along, the world got divided into the divine and angelic .vs. the diabolical, with us in the middle, and anything that was neither divine nor angelic nor human had to be diabolical. So over time, and probably through forgetting and rediscovery of the word, the helpful or friendly or simply neutral daemon became the demon. I am afraid it was always a principle of religious mission to make all kinds of local gods and daemons personifications of the evil (-- Baal, Lucifer, Pan). I don't know if Ritchie or Thompson were the first to use the name for a computer service. It seems likely that at least one of them was overeducated. So no, there is nothing diabolical about FreeBSD, unlike a certain `32 bit extension to a 16 bit kluge on an eight-bit operating system for a four-bit microprocessor written by a two-bit company that can't stand one bit of competition.' May we never forget the ``story'' in History. My favourite literaric extension of this theme is found in Marcel Proust's A la Recherche du Temps Perdu . Uli. P.S.: Please ignore this OT. I am just hanging around at home with some kind of Influenza. Mark Terribile +---+ |Peter Ulrich Kruppa| | Wuppertal | | Germany | +---+ ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: about logo (The Beasdie question)
Bubble Gum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just want to ask (i'm sorry if it's a silly question),why freebsd logo use devil character? Answered by Paul A. Hoadley and Peter Ulrich Kruppa: It's not a devil. It's a daemon. === 1) It isn't a devil but a small daemon, ... programs called daemons, ... 2) [It's] name is beastie, ... a quasihomophone to BSD ... 3) On http://www.freebsdmall.com you can buy Tee-shirts, ... As a recent member of OOOF (The Organization of Obsolete Old Fogies) I was there (well, nearby) when it happened. Back in the early days of UNIX (as then it was typset), when the mists of the Big Iron Age were yet to clear, and v5 and v6 were new and Lions had not yet written, there was called a moot or assembly, and the practice of distributing tee shirts to commemorate a moot was also young. And someone commissioned a tee shirt, and someone drew it (and their names may be found elsewhere), and it showed a PDP-11 to which heavy galvanized plumbing was added. Beneath one leaky pipe fitting was a large wooden barrel named `/dev/null', and on the plumbing there sat some number of small horn'd figures, red, with arrow-pointed tails and tridents (which the uneducated describe as pitchforks), and one of these daemons has just prodded another to leap from his perch, who might be said to be forking off. Backstory on `demon/daemon': In pre-Christian (ie. Greek) thinking, a daemon was a spirit, neither angelic nor diabolical, which took care of something, someone, or someplace. (This was education by osmosis, so feel free to correct me.) In Plato's _The Death of Socrates_ (or _Last Days of Socrates_, or ...) you can read Socrates speculation on the hereafter, and of a guide spirit that he expects will be there to greet him. As to the name: it's my speculation that, when Christianity came along, the world got divided into the divine and angelic .vs. the diabolical, with us in the middle, and anything that was neither divine nor angelic nor human had to be diabolical. So over time, and probably through forgetting and rediscovery of the word, the helpful or friendly or simply neutral daemon became the demon. I don't know if Ritchie or Thompson were the first to use the name for a computer service. It seems likely that at least one of them was overeducated. So no, there is nothing diabolical about FreeBSD, unlike a certain `32 bit extension to a 16 bit kluge on an eight-bit operating system for a four-bit microprocessor written by a two-bit company that can't stand one bit of competition.' May we never forget the ``story'' in History. Mark Terribile __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: about logo
On Thu, Jan 29, 2004 at 10:56:05PM -0800, Bubble Gum wrote: I just want to ask (i'm sorry if it's a silly question),why freebsd logo use devil character? You might find the following link interesting: http://www.mckusick.com/beastie/index.html :P There was also a funny post on the list that started a flamewar back last year, something along the lines of 'why does freebsd support the devil?'. That post is here: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=freebsd-questionsm=105041991726712w=2 Enjoy! -- Jez Hancock - System Administrator / PHP Developer http://munk.nu/ http://jez.hancock-family.com/ - Another FreeBSD Diary http://ipfwstats.sf.net/- ipfw peruser traffic logging ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: about logo
On Thu, Jan 29, 2004 at 10:56:05PM -0800, Bubble Gum wrote: I just want to ask (i'm sorry if it's a silly question),why freebsd logo use devil character? It's not a devil. It's a daemon. http://www.freebsd.org/copyright/daemon.html -- Paul. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: about logo
On Thu, 29 Jan 2004, Bubble Gum wrote: I just want to ask (i'm sorry if it's a silly question),why freebsd logo use devil character? It's the first time I answer this question - so please may everybody correct me, if I got something wrong. 1) It isn't a devil but a small daemon, which refers to programs called daemons, which run invisibly in the background of your system and wait for a call by some kind of input. You can make them visible by typing the magic # ps -aux if you want to catch one, you do # ps -aux | grep moused if you want to kill him you type # kill number_in_the_second_column and your mouse will be dead. 2) The little red daemon's name is beastie, which is a quasihomophone to BSD . 3) On http://www.freebsdmall.com you can buy Tee-shirts, buttons, baseball caps, etc. with daemon motives. Hope that helps, Uli. +---+ |Peter Ulrich Kruppa| | Wuppertal | | Germany | +---+ ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: about logo
--- Bubble Gum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just want to ask (i'm sorry if it's a silly question),why freebsd logo use devil character? __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Its not a devil. The character is a question is a daemon (not demon). A daemon describes a process, like any other operating system. Windows users call them programs and *nix users call them daemons. One definition of daemon is a help (deity) neither good nor evil. Why does he carry a pitch fork? Well that's another Unix thing: fork -- create a new process Feel free to read that man (manual) page for fork: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=forkapropos=0sektion=0manpath=FreeBSD+4.9-RELEASEformat=html Why is it called a beastie? Say BSD really fast and what sound does it make? Why is beastie wearing gym shoes (chuck taylors)? Well I don't have an answer for that one. A very nice description exists on the FreeBSD web site: http://www.freebsd.org/copyright/daemon.html If I have made any errors or omissions, please correct me. Pete = ESCape with VI. Cheese A La mode. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: about logo
Ok, thank's for all explanation, but i hope the creator isn't a member of cult organization... :) (it's joke). It's not a devil. It's a daemon. http://www.freebsd.org/copyright/daemon.html -- Paul. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: about logo
I just want to ask (i'm sorry if it's a silly question),why freebsd logo use devil character? There are several web pages that explain this quite well. Start with the FreeBSD.org page and look at its links and then do some searching - on the FreeBSD site and on Google. Try looking for Beastie. Anyway, it is a daemon and is defined as a little creature (a process in this case) that hangs around out of site and does little errands for you. Some of those errands are responding to things coming in from the net, listening to your keyboard and mouse, putting messages in log files, keeping track of the clock and running things that need to be run at special times, etc. It is a bit like Terminate-and-Stay-Resident programs (TSRs) in the Microsloth world. Why someone made a logo with a red suit and a trident fork - well some say the fork is for the system of forking processes in UNIX but I suspect it was at least in part a little impish fun. Not everything has to have a deadly dull logical reason. jerry ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
about logo
I just want to ask (i'm sorry if it's a silly question),why freebsd logo use devil character? __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
