Re: can't find certain doc
Lowell Gilbert wrote this stuff on 23 Oct 2002 23:42:45 -0400: > Jerry McAllister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > But, no matter what they try to tell you, 150 MB is awfully > > small for the root partition now days. > > Or, looking at it a different way, 150 MB *used* to be > really small, but is now quite big, because /var and /tmp > should probably not be on it. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > What's most interesting, I find, is that this machine get very little use, it's primarily a backup of a web site on an isp's server, and occasionally I'll copy files I'm working on to it via windoze network neighborhood. I rarely actually log into the box, then only as user, so even more rarely use the su account. I have always symlinked /var and /tmp to /usr/var and /usr/tmp on my setups. -- Chip Wiegand computer Services Simrad, Inc To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
Re: can't find certain doc
Jerry McAllister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > But, no matter what they try to tell you, 150 MB is awfully > small for the root partition now days. Or, looking at it a different way, 150 MB *used* to be really small, but is now quite big, because /var and /tmp should probably not be on it. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
Re: can't find certain doc
> > But, no matter what they try to tell you, 150 MB is awfully > > small for the root partition now days. If it's small now, it's been small for many years. It's not unreasonable to consider it small, but lots of people don't mind the little trouble it takes to keep it well under that size. That's mostly taken care of by pointing /var, /tmp, /usr, and /home elsewhere. I think the argument is that the less you use /, the less likely you are to mess it up so you can't boot even into single user mode. Another way to find out what's filling "/": du -xd 1 /## Just dir trees on / device find / ! -type d -maxdepth 1 -ls ## Just non-dirs in / dir > Thanks, I'll keep that in mind tonight when I set up a new box > at home. :) You might want to ensure that /var and /tmp point to real directories even when only / is mounted by pointing them at directories on / that get hidden after you mount things. Different topic: I like to point /tmp to something under /var and then worry only about /var. (I keep my small "home" under /var too.) To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
Re: can't find certain doc
On 2002-10-23 10:30, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I understand that, it's not the whole hard drive, just the root > partition. There's 15gigs available on the /usr partition. You can move /var into /usr and symlink /var -> /usr/var. Bring the system down to single user mode while doing that, to avoid nasty surprises from daemons that are already using files under /var. Giorgos. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
Re: can't find certain doc
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 10/23/2002 11:01:02 AM: > > > > > I thought I saw a doc called something like 'what to do if your > hard > > > drive > > > > > gets full'. I checked the docs > > > is > > > > > at 104%. > > > > > > > Try: > > > > # cd / > > > > # du -h -d 1 -I usr > > > > > > > > This should tell you how much space each file/dir is using in /, > > > > excluding, the 'usr'. Some of the other dirs are bound to be > > > > mounted filesystems, but ignore those. Exluding 'usr' just saves > > > > a lot of time, as `du' doesn't have to calculate that beast of a > > > > filesystem. > > > > > > > Nathan > > > > That helps a lot, thanks, though I still haven't found any one > particularly > > > large file or directory. In /var/db/pkg is about 14megs, is it okay to > > > clear > > > that stuff? And in . is kernel and kernel.generic, do I need both of > these? > > > I have gotten the du down to 98% so far, on a 150meg / partition. > > > Can you sent the output of `df -h` and the output of `du -h -d 1 -I usr` > > to the list? > > Output of df -h > > FilesystemSize Used Avail Capacity Mounted on > /dev/ad0s1a 148M 132M 3.4M98%/ > /dev/ad0s1e18G 3.7G13G23%/usr > linprocfs 4.0K 4.0K 0B 100%/usr/compat/linux/proc > procfs4.0K 4.0K 0B 100%/proc > > Output of du -h -d 1 -I usr > > 70K ./dev > 2.1M ./stand > 2.8M ./etc > 2.0K ./cdrom > 26K ./proc > 3.9M ./bin > 392K ./boot > 2.0K ./mnt > 5.1M ./modules > 212K ./root > 11M ./sbin > 6.0K ./tmp > 15M ./var > 2.0K ./floppy > 48M . > > > I cleaned up the mail for root and my own use account, both of which > made no appreciable differance in available space. Cleaned /tmp also. How about /var? If it has not alrady been done, I would move at least /var/spool and /var/logs to your big partition (/usr here) and make sym links to them Also, I always make /tmp a separate partition to keep accidents from clobbering /. jerry > > -- > Chip > > > Another common place to check is /tmp, unless, of course, > > it's mounted on it's own filesystem - as it probably should be. > > Technically, it's ok to get rid of kernel.GENERIC, but you probably > > don't want to do this. kernel.GENERIC may get you out of a bind > > sometime if you have compiled your own kernel and for some reason it > > won't boot. However, if you haven't built your kernel and you never > > plan to, and you are running the stock, generic kernel anyway you can > > probably delete kernel.GENERIC without too much risk. > > > Nathan > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
Re: can't find certain doc
Jerry McAllister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 10/23/2002 10:44:38 AM: > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 10/23/2002 09:02:41 AM: > > > > > On Mon, Oct 21, 2002 at 02:49:46PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > I thought I saw a doc called something like 'what to do if your hard > > drive > > > > gets full'. I checked the docs > > > > the freebsd.org and couldn't find anything like that. Is there a doc > > out > > > > there some place that tells me > > > > what to do when the root partition fills up, for no apparent reason? > > This is at 104%. > > > > > Try: > > > # cd / > > > # du -h -d 1 -I usr > > > > That helps a lot, thanks, though I still haven't found any one particularly > > large file or directory. In /var/db/pkg is about 14megs, is it okay to > > clear > > that stuff? And in . is kernel and kernel.generic, do I need both of these? > > I have gotten the du down to 98% so far, on a 150meg / partition. > or just: >cd / >du -sk * > But, no matter what they try to tell you, 150 MB is awfully > small for the root partition now days. Thanks, I'll keep that in mind tonight when I set up a new box at home. :) -- Chip > At that size you would > have to manage stuff pretty tightly. The thing you would have > to do is have a nice pristine system and do the du. Then when > it starts to fill up, do a new du and compare to see what has > been growing. Do you have logs going somewhere besides root? > What about root's Email? Do you do any tinkering as root that > might leave some files around. All these things can use up that > little space quickly. > Anyway, about the only things you can do are to look for files to delete > or directories to move to a different partition with a sym-link and/or > to redo your partitions to make root a little bigger (250MB at least) > either on that disk or get a new bigger disk and start clean. > jerry > > -- > > chip > > > > > This should tell you how much space each file/dir is using in /, > > > excluding, the 'usr'. Some of the other dirs are bound to be > > > mounted filesystems, but ignore those. Exluding 'usr' just saves > > > a lot of time, as `du' doesn't have to calculate that beast of a > > > filesystem. > > > > > Nathan > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
Re: can't find certain doc
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 10/23/2002 11:01:02 AM: > On Wed, Oct 23, 2002 at 09:52:58AM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 10/23/2002 09:02:41 AM: > > > > > On Mon, Oct 21, 2002 at 02:49:46PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > I thought I saw a doc called something like 'what to do if your hard > > drive > > > > gets full'. I checked the docs > > > > the freebsd.org and couldn't find anything like that. Is there a doc > > out > > > > there some place that tells me > > > > what to do when the root partition fills up, for no apparent reason? > > This > > > > machine is strictly a web > > > > backup box and rarely is used for anything else, yet the root partition > > is > > > > at 104%. > > > > > Try: > > > # cd / > > > # du -h -d 1 -I usr > > > > > > This should tell you how much space each file/dir is using in /, > > > excluding, the 'usr'. Some of the other dirs are bound to be > > > mounted filesystems, but ignore those. Exluding 'usr' just saves > > > a lot of time, as `du' doesn't have to calculate that beast of a > > > filesystem. > > > > > Nathan > > That helps a lot, thanks, though I still haven't found any one particularly > > large file or directory. In /var/db/pkg is about 14megs, is it okay to > > clear > > that stuff? And in . is kernel and kernel.generic, do I need both of these? > > I have gotten the du down to 98% so far, on a 150meg / partition. > Can you sent the output of `df -h` and the output of `du -h -d 1 -I usr` > to the list? Output of df -h FilesystemSize Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/ad0s1a 148M 132M 3.4M98%/ /dev/ad0s1e18G 3.7G13G23%/usr linprocfs 4.0K 4.0K 0B 100%/usr/compat/linux/proc procfs4.0K 4.0K 0B 100%/proc Output of du -h -d 1 -I usr 70K ./dev 2.1M ./stand 2.8M ./etc 2.0K ./cdrom 26K ./proc 3.9M ./bin 392K ./boot 2.0K ./mnt 5.1M ./modules 212K ./root 11M ./sbin 6.0K ./tmp 15M ./var 2.0K ./floppy 48M . I cleaned up the mail for root and my own use account, both of which made no appreciable differance in available space. Cleaned /tmp also. -- Chip > Another common place to check is /tmp, unless, of course, > it's mounted on it's own filesystem - as it probably should be. > Technically, it's ok to get rid of kernel.GENERIC, but you probably > don't want to do this. kernel.GENERIC may get you out of a bind > sometime if you have compiled your own kernel and for some reason it > won't boot. However, if you haven't built your kernel and you never > plan to, and you are running the stock, generic kernel anyway you can > probably delete kernel.GENERIC without too much risk. > Nathan > To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
Re: can't find certain doc
On Wed, Oct 23, 2002 at 09:52:58AM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 10/23/2002 09:02:41 AM: > > > On Mon, Oct 21, 2002 at 02:49:46PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > I thought I saw a doc called something like 'what to do if your hard > drive > > > gets full'. I checked the docs > > > the freebsd.org and couldn't find anything like that. Is there a doc > out > > > there some place that tells me > > > what to do when the root partition fills up, for no apparent reason? > This > > > machine is strictly a web > > > backup box and rarely is used for anything else, yet the root partition > is > > > at 104%. > > > Try: > > # cd / > > # du -h -d 1 -I usr > > > > This should tell you how much space each file/dir is using in /, > > excluding, the 'usr'. Some of the other dirs are bound to be > > mounted filesystems, but ignore those. Exluding 'usr' just saves > > a lot of time, as `du' doesn't have to calculate that beast of a > > filesystem. > > > Nathan > That helps a lot, thanks, though I still haven't found any one particularly > large file or directory. In /var/db/pkg is about 14megs, is it okay to > clear > that stuff? And in . is kernel and kernel.generic, do I need both of these? > I have gotten the du down to 98% so far, on a 150meg / partition. Can you sent the output of `df -h` and the output of `du -h -d 1 -I usr` to the list? Another common place to check is /tmp, unless, of course, it's mounted on it's own filesystem - as it probably should be. Technically, it's ok to get rid of kernel.GENERIC, but you probably don't want to do this. kernel.GENERIC may get you out of a bind sometime if you have compiled your own kernel and for some reason it won't boot. However, if you haven't built your kernel and you never plan to, and you are running the stock, generic kernel anyway you can probably delete kernel.GENERIC without too much risk. Nathan To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
Re: can't find certain doc
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 10/23/2002 09:02:41 AM: > > > On Mon, Oct 21, 2002 at 02:49:46PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > I thought I saw a doc called something like 'what to do if your hard > drive > > > gets full'. I checked the docs > > > the freebsd.org and couldn't find anything like that. Is there a doc > out > > > there some place that tells me > > > what to do when the root partition fills up, for no apparent reason? > This is at 104%. > > > Try: > > # cd / > > # du -h -d 1 -I usr > > That helps a lot, thanks, though I still haven't found any one particularly > large file or directory. In /var/db/pkg is about 14megs, is it okay to > clear > that stuff? And in . is kernel and kernel.generic, do I need both of these? > I have gotten the du down to 98% so far, on a 150meg / partition. or just: cd / du -sk * But, no matter what they try to tell you, 150 MB is awfully small for the root partition now days. At that size you would have to manage stuff pretty tightly. The thing you would have to do is have a nice pristine system and do the du. Then when it starts to fill up, do a new du and compare to see what has been growing. Do you have logs going somewhere besides root? What about root's Email? Do you do any tinkering as root that might leave some files around. All these things can use up that little space quickly. Anyway, about the only things you can do are to look for files to delete or directories to move to a different partition with a sym-link and/or to redo your partitions to make root a little bigger (250MB at least) either on that disk or get a new bigger disk and start clean. jerry > -- > chip > > > This should tell you how much space each file/dir is using in /, > > excluding, the 'usr'. Some of the other dirs are bound to be > > mounted filesystems, but ignore those. Exluding 'usr' just saves > > a lot of time, as `du' doesn't have to calculate that beast of a > > filesystem. > > > Nathan > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
Re: can't find certain doc
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 10/23/2002 10:01:24 AM: > On Wed, 23 Oct 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > This > > > > machine is strictly a web > > > > backup box and rarely is used for anything else, yet the root partition > > is > > > > at 104%. > > > > > Try: > > > # cd / > > > # du -h -d 1 -I usr > > > > That helps a lot, thanks, though I still haven't found any one particularly > > large file or directory. In /var/db/pkg is about 14megs, is it okay to > > clear > > that stuff? And in . is kernel and kernel.generic, do I need both of these? > > I have gotten the du down to 98% so far, on a 150meg / partition. > > > /var/db/pkg is (I think) your packages and ports database. I don't think > you want to remove that. The best thing to do when your hard drive gets > full is get another, bigger one. They're cheap :) > > # John Bleichert > # http://vonbek.dhs.org/latest.jpg I understand that, it's not the whole hard drive, just the root partition. There's 15gigs available on the /usr partition. -- chip > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
Re: can't find certain doc
On Wed, 23 Oct 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 09:52:58 -0700 > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: freebsd - <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: can't find certain doc > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 10/23/2002 09:02:41 AM: > > > On Mon, Oct 21, 2002 at 02:49:46PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > I thought I saw a doc called something like 'what to do if your hard > drive > > > gets full'. I checked the docs > > > the freebsd.org and couldn't find anything like that. Is there a doc > out > > > there some place that tells me > > > what to do when the root partition fills up, for no apparent reason? > This > > > machine is strictly a web > > > backup box and rarely is used for anything else, yet the root partition > is > > > at 104%. > > > Try: > > # cd / > > # du -h -d 1 -I usr > > That helps a lot, thanks, though I still haven't found any one particularly > large file or directory. In /var/db/pkg is about 14megs, is it okay to > clear > that stuff? And in . is kernel and kernel.generic, do I need both of these? > I have gotten the du down to 98% so far, on a 150meg / partition. > /var/db/pkg is (I think) your packages and ports database. I don't think you want to remove that. The best thing to do when your hard drive gets full is get another, bigger one. They're cheap :) # John Bleichert # http://vonbek.dhs.org/latest.jpg To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
Re: can't find certain doc
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 10/23/2002 09:02:41 AM: > On Mon, Oct 21, 2002 at 02:49:46PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > I thought I saw a doc called something like 'what to do if your hard drive > > gets full'. I checked the docs > > the freebsd.org and couldn't find anything like that. Is there a doc out > > there some place that tells me > > what to do when the root partition fills up, for no apparent reason? This > > machine is strictly a web > > backup box and rarely is used for anything else, yet the root partition is > > at 104%. > Try: > # cd / > # du -h -d 1 -I usr That helps a lot, thanks, though I still haven't found any one particularly large file or directory. In /var/db/pkg is about 14megs, is it okay to clear that stuff? And in . is kernel and kernel.generic, do I need both of these? I have gotten the du down to 98% so far, on a 150meg / partition. -- chip > This should tell you how much space each file/dir is using in /, > excluding, the 'usr'. Some of the other dirs are bound to be > mounted filesystems, but ignore those. Exluding 'usr' just saves > a lot of time, as `du' doesn't have to calculate that beast of a > filesystem. > Nathan > To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
Re: can't find certain doc
On Mon, Oct 21, 2002 at 02:49:46PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I thought I saw a doc called something like 'what to do if your hard drive > gets full'. I checked the docs > the freebsd.org and couldn't find anything like that. Is there a doc out > there some place that tells me > what to do when the root partition fills up, for no apparent reason? This > machine is strictly a web > backup box and rarely is used for anything else, yet the root partition is > at 104%. Try: # cd / # du -h -d 1 -I usr This should tell you how much space each file/dir is using in /, excluding, the 'usr'. Some of the other dirs are bound to be mounted filesystems, but ignore those. Exluding 'usr' just saves a lot of time, as `du' doesn't have to calculate that beast of a filesystem. Nathan To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
Re: can't find certain doc
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "freebsd -" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 4:49 PM Subject: can't find certain doc > I thought I saw a doc called something like 'what to do if your hard drive > gets full'. I checked the docs > the freebsd.org and couldn't find anything like that. And I used google and couldn't either How 'bout tar up a big dir, move it to /usr or someplace with more elbow room, untar it there and put a symlink in / ?? Or is there no space anywhere? Kevin Kinsey DaleCo, S.P. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
can't find certain doc
I thought I saw a doc called something like 'what to do if your hard drive gets full'. I checked the docs the freebsd.org and couldn't find anything like that. Is there a doc out there some place that tells me what to do when the root partition fills up, for no apparent reason? This machine is strictly a web backup box and rarely is used for anything else, yet the root partition is at 104%. Regards, -- Chip Wiegand Computer Services Simrad, Inc www.simradusa.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] "There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home." --Ken Olson, president, chairman and founder of Digital Equipment Corporation, 1977 (They why do I have 9? Somebody help me!) To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
