Re: csup vs cvs
d...@safeport.com writes: A change was MFC'd to the xorg intel driver to include support for the new chipsets. I took the fact that I could see the change on the web: Date: Sun Apr 4 15:37:47 2010 New Revision: 206164 URL: http://svn.freebsd.org/changeset/base/206164 That's a subversion checkin. The web source for what's in the cvs (and therefore, shortly, cvsup) is cvsweb: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/ Log: MFC r205096, r205102 Add AGP support for Intel Pineview and Ironlake chipsets. to mean that it would be propogated out to my favored csup server in due course. The change was not on cvsup2.FreeBSD.org by 2AM Monday, so I got a source tree from a cvs repository my unix guru runs and updated using that. I used his because I host it. Most likely, that tree is checked out via the cvsup protocol, which means whatever server it came from had the update. So some of them did, even if cvsup2.freebsd.org didn't. When the different servers differ, you need to talk to the manager of a particular server to find out what's happening on that one. By comparing the subversion checkin time to the cvs checkin time, it looks like the delay from subversion to cvs was negligable, so most likely the delay is entirely due to cvsup2's update time. I can't tell how long that is, because I don't know what time zone your 2AM is. What I attempted to ask is (1) how are the mirrors updated; and (2), is there a particular lag time where the latest changes would have to be there? This is not normally an issue for me but I have a laptop that will not run X w/o this change. The documentation project maintains a hubs article that covers the how part. The lag time mostly comes from the frequency with which the mirrors update; official hubs are recommended to update hourly, but it's not required. Note that you could have gotten the change from either the svn URL you posted, or from the cvs equivalent that I mentioned. Then you could have patched it onto your sources directly. For a single-file change (as the critical piece of this seems to be), that's the quick way to go. I normally do not use cvs because, I am not a developer and my learning new things bucket' is pretty full. Hence my [however badly worded] question. Again thanks for bearing with me. cvs is not really *needed* for *anyone* on FreeBSD's base system these days; the project uses it as a distribution method for the source code tree, but real development is checked into subversion and (for official branches) then automatically exported into the cvs tree. The cvs tree is distributed via the cvsup protocol to the hubs, and other mirrors can pick it up from there. The cvsup protocol (whether implemented in the cvsup program or csup) is the main way these things are distributed, but rsync, anonymous cvs, FTP, and probably other methods are supported optionally (which means some mirrors offer them and others don't). -- Lowell Gilbert, embedded/networking software engineer, Boston area http://be-well.ilk.org/~lowell/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: csup vs cvs
d...@safeport.com writes: Yesterday I was updating an 8.0 stable system to pick up a change I specifically needed. The change was MFC'd Apr 4th at 11:38. I waited until about 8PM and ran cvs from cvsup2.FreeBSD.org. When the change was not there, I waited until Apr 5th, a bit after midnight. When I still did not pick up the change, I updated from a cvs repository. My question is how are the mirrors updated (cvsup2 specifically I guess). In general is using csup and cvs equivalent processes for non developers?. Your message doesn't really make sense to me; I suspect you're confusing cvs with cvsup, but I'm not sure. cvsup and csup are different implementations of the same functionality, and connect to the same servers, so they really won't be different (they are, in fact, interchangeable). Anonymous CVS access is not widely used, and is really recommended only for experts. Different hubs update on different schedules, but official ones are recommended to update hourly. Development actually occurs in the subversion (a.k.a. svn) repository these days, from which it is automatically exported to the cvs repository (which is also the source for cvsup servers data). I'm not aware of non-developer direct access to the svn tree, nor do I know much about how the subversion data gets merged to cvs. I've used different cvsup servers over the years, but I've rarely noticed an update taking more than an hour after it hit cvsweb. If you're wondering about a particular hub, you could track down its manager and ask. I remember that being public information, but I can't seem to find it at the moment. -- Lowell Gilbert, embedded/networking software engineer, Boston area http://be-well.ilk.org/~lowell/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: csup vs cvs
On Tue, 6 Apr 2010, Lowell Gilbert wrote: d...@safeport.com writes: Yesterday I was updating an 8.0 stable system to pick up a change I specifically needed. The change was MFC'd Apr 4th at 11:38. I waited until about 8PM and ran cvs from cvsup2.FreeBSD.org. When the change was not there, I waited until Apr 5th, a bit after midnight. When I still did not pick up the change, I updated from a cvs repository. My question is how are the mirrors updated (cvsup2 specifically I guess). In general is using csup and cvs equivalent processes for non developers?. Your message doesn't really make sense to me; I suspect you're confusing cvs with cvsup, but I'm not sure. cvsup and csup are different implementations of the same functionality, and connect to the same servers, so they really won't be different (they are, in fact, interchangeable). Anonymous CVS access is not widely used, and is really recommended only for experts. Different hubs update on different schedules, but official ones are recommended to update hourly. First thank you for responding to an obviously badly worded question. I think my understanding exceeds my ability to explain my question. So I will be very specific about what I wanted. A change was MFC'd to the xorg intel driver to include support for the new chipsets. I took the fact that I could see the change on the web: Date: Sun Apr 4 15:37:47 2010 New Revision: 206164 URL: http://svn.freebsd.org/changeset/base/206164 Log: MFC r205096, r205102 Add AGP support for Intel Pineview and Ironlake chipsets. to mean that it would be propogated out to my favored csup server in due course. The change was not on cvsup2.FreeBSD.org by 2AM Monday, so I got a source tree from a cvs repository my unix guru runs and updated using that. I used his because I host it. What I attempted to ask is (1) how are the mirrors updated; and (2), is there a particular lag time where the latest changes would have to be there? This is not normally an issue for me but I have a laptop that will not run X w/o this change. I normally do not use cvs because, I am not a developer and my 'learning new things bucket' is pretty full. Hence my [however badly worded] question. Again thanks for bearing with me. _ Douglas Denault http://www.safeport.com d...@safeport.com Voice: 301-217-9220 Fax: 301-217-9277 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
csup vs cvs
Yesterday I was updating an 8.0 stable system to pick up a change I specifically needed. The change was MFC'd Apr 4th at 11:38. I waited until about 8PM and ran cvs from cvsup2.FreeBSD.org. When the change was not there, I waited until Apr 5th, a bit after midnight. When I still did not pick up the change, I updated from a cvs repository. My question is how are the mirrors updated (cvsup2 specifically I guess). In general is using csup and cvs equivalent processes for non developers?. _ Douglas Denault http://www.safeport.com d...@safeport.com Voice: 301-217-9220 Fax: 301-217-9277 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
