Re: greetings from FreeBSD DLL Hell!
* Bob Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-03-23 22:00:58 -0500]: On Wednesday 23 March 2005 08:16 pm, N.J. Thomas wrote: pkg_add -r foo. This worked, but it went and downloaded older versions of various programs (i.e. Mozilla Firefox 0.9). By default, pkg_add uses the packages that were built for your release (so everything is consistent). As a result, when your release gets to be a few months old, so do the packages. Thanks for the tip. I wasn't aware that pkg_add -r was more or less tied strictly to the release version. I followed your advice and deleted all the older packages, installed portupgrade, updated the ports tree, and reinstalled everything I needed. Things seem to be okay now. I installed some packages with pkg_add -r (which used the 5.3-RELEASE versions of the software), and then installed some other stuff with ports, and then updated ports with cvsup and then installed yet some more stuff, and now I seem to find myself in the FreeBSD equivalent of DLL Hell. What do you mean when you say you are in DLL hell? Is something actually not working right? FreeBSD is pretty good about managing libraries. Well, the specific problem I had was that after doign a fresh install, I installed some packages with pkg_add. Then I updated ports, and installed some more stuff. And then when I went back to use pkg_add, it complained about some program need library v1.4 but v1.6 was installed on the system (because it had been installed by ports). thanks, Thomas -- N.J. Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Etiamsi occiderit me, in ipso sperabo ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: greetings from FreeBSD DLL Hell!
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-03-23 23:06:25 -0500]: here is real good install guide. http://freebsd.packards-home.net/index.php It has section on ports and packages. Cool, it seems like a fairly well written and mostly up to date site. I'm surprised I hadn't stumbled onto it before. Thanks for the tip. Thomas -- N.J. Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Etiamsi occiderit me, in ipso sperabo ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: greetings from FreeBSD DLL Hell!
* Joshua Tinnin [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-03-23 18:21:05 -0800]: Packages are built to work with the particular release specified. Once ports are unfrozen, right before release, they start changing again, and updating new packages for all ports for every minor version bump in the tree is not viable at the moment (12000+ ports), AFAIK, nor would it be in line with freezing ports before release. Yeah, this was the one thing I didn't understand about packages. I just assumed it would do the right thing and download the latest version. now I seem to find myself in the FreeBSD equivalent of DLL Hell. Should I just blow my system away and start from scratch? Is that the best course of action to take at this point? You don't need to reinstall the OS, but it might be simpler for you if you deleted all the packages, with pkg_delete -a (from root). That's what I ended up doing. I deleted all my packages. installed only the ones I absolutely needed (in my case: zsh, vim, and cvsup), upgraded ports, and then went from there. Thank for your help. Thomas -- N.J. Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Etiamsi occiderit me, in ipso sperabo ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: greetings from FreeBSD DLL Hell!
* Chuck Swiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-03-23 20:44:39 -0500]: now I seem to find myself in the FreeBSD equivalent of DLL Hell. Should I just blow my system away and start from scratch? Oh, goodness no-- almost anything that goes wrong with a system can be fixed without reinstalling. The key is to solve the problem the right way. :-) Thanks for the tip! I almost blew my system away before I saw your email. The solution in this case was to delete all the packages (there were only a few that I had installed anyways), update the ports tree, and then start installing from there. Thomas -- N.J. Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Etiamsi occiderit me, in ipso sperabo ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
greetings from FreeBSD DLL Hell!
I installed FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE and was installing packages via pkg_add -r foo. This worked, but it went and downloaded older versions of various programs (i.e. Mozilla Firefox 0.9). How can I tell pkg_add to use the 5-latest (5-STABLE? RELENG_5_3?) branch? Do I have to update my sources before I can do this? So after I installed 5.3 yesterday I installed some packages with pkg_add -r (which used the 5.3-RELEASE versions of the software), and then installed some other stuff with ports, and then updated ports with cvsup and then installed yet some more stuff, and now I seem to find myself in the FreeBSD equivalent of DLL Hell. Should I just blow my system away and start from scratch? Is that the best course of action to take at this point? thanks, Thomas -- N.J. Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Etiamsi occiderit me, in ipso sperabo ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: greetings from FreeBSD DLL Hell!
Hello, You may want to try portupgrade to bring everything up to date. Here is a link to a tutorial: http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2003/08/28/FreeBSD_Basics.html --Nick ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: greetings from FreeBSD DLL Hell!
N.J. Thomas wrote: I installed FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE and was installing packages via pkg_add -r foo. This worked, but it went and downloaded older versions of various programs (i.e. Mozilla Firefox 0.9). How can I tell pkg_add to use the 5-latest (5-STABLE? RELENG_5_3?) branch? Do I have to update my sources before I can do this? You do not have to update the FreeBSD sources to use the latest version of tha ports, no. However, you do need to update the ports tree itself: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ports.html See section 4.5 in particular, using cvsup, although it sounds like you've already done some of this So after I installed 5.3 yesterday I installed some packages with pkg_add -r (which used the 5.3-RELEASE versions of the software), and then installed some other stuff with ports, and then updated ports with cvsup and then installed yet some more stuff, and now I seem to find myself in the FreeBSD equivalent of DLL Hell. Should I just blow my system away and start from scratch? Is that the best course of action to take at this point? Oh, goodness no-- almost anything that goes wrong with a system can be fixed without reinstalling. The key is to solve the problem the right way. :-) Try installing sysutils/portupgrade, and run portupgrade -ai to begin with. That will likely solve many of your issues, although if you have some of the more complicated ports installed (think Perl, KDE, GNOME), consult /usr/ports/UPDATING for additional help and suggestions. -- -Chuck PS: Another choice besides portupgrade is sysutils/portmanager; it uses a different approach to dealing with dependencies that may involve compiling more stuff, but also seems to be little more robust in the face of complex dependency changes... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: greetings from FreeBSD DLL Hell!
On Wednesday 23 March 2005 17:16, N.J. Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I installed FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE and was installing packages via pkg_add -r foo. This worked, but it went and downloaded older versions of various programs (i.e. Mozilla Firefox 0.9). How can I tell pkg_add to use the 5-latest (5-STABLE? RELENG_5_3?) branch? Do I have to update my sources before I can do this? Packages are built to work with the particular release specified. Once ports are unfrozen, right before release, they start changing again, and updating new packages for all ports for every minor version bump in the tree is not viable at the moment (12000+ ports), AFAIK, nor would it be in line with freezing ports before release. So after I installed 5.3 yesterday I installed some packages with pkg_add -r (which used the 5.3-RELEASE versions of the software), and then installed some other stuff with ports, and then updated ports with cvsup and then installed yet some more stuff, and now I seem to find myself in the FreeBSD equivalent of DLL Hell. Should I just blow my system away and start from scratch? Is that the best course of action to take at this point? You don't need to reinstall the OS, but it might be simpler for you if you deleted all the packages, with pkg_delete -a (from root). From there you can install cvsup and other essentials, but you might consider running /bin/sysinstall to reinstall the packages you once had, just so you're not running blind. From there, you can run cvsup and update your ports tree. In some instances, you can still upgrade to a package, but in others you can't. I find it simpler to build everything on my machine, but I prefer to track ports changes. If you're running a server you don't really want to track ports all the time, just track security updates, otherwise you're going to take it down a lot to upgrade, but if you're running a desktop it can be useful, depending. Sometimes you don't really need to update from the packages on the install CD, but obviously Firefox does need to be updated from 0.9 for security reasons. So, you're going to end up installing some packages and building others, which can lead to some interesting problems, but it's workable. It might be easier to build all from ports, but that's up to you and your CPU cycles. Either way, a utility caleld portupgrade will solve most of your dependency problems for you. Here's a good tutorial on how to use cvsup and portupgrade: http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2003/08/28/FreeBSD_Basics.html Also, I highly recommend reading the handbook: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/index.html You don't have to read all of it, but you probably want to read what is relevant to your configuration. It's great documentation, and it can help answer many of your questions as situations arise. If you don't find the answer there or from searching the list archives (Google can be useful, too), then come to the list and ask. This question has been asked and answered many times on this list, but I didn't want to leave you hanging ;) - jt ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: greetings from FreeBSD DLL Hell!
On Wednesday 23 March 2005 18:21, Joshua Tinnin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You don't need to reinstall the OS, but it might be simpler for you if you deleted all the packages, with pkg_delete -a (from root). From there you can install cvsup and other essentials, but you might consider running /bin/sysinstall to reinstall the packages you once had, just so you're not running blind. Ack! That should be /usr/sbin/sysinstall Mea culpa ... - jt ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: greetings from FreeBSD DLL Hell!
On Wednesday 23 March 2005 08:16 pm, N.J. Thomas wrote: I installed FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE and was installing packages via pkg_add -r foo. This worked, but it went and downloaded older versions of various programs (i.e. Mozilla Firefox 0.9). How can I tell pkg_add to use the 5-latest (5-STABLE? RELENG_5_3?) branch? Do I have to update my sources before I can do this? By default, pkg_add uses the packages that were built for your release (so everything is consistent). As a result, when your release gets to be a few months old, so do the packages. One approach to solving your problem is to go to ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-5-stable/All/ and download the package you want, then install it with pkg_add. Another is to set the appropriate environment variable to tell pkg_add to use that URL as the location from which to automatically fetch packages (I don't remember the variable, try to decipher the man page). That said, the solution I usually use is to upgrade everything from ports rather than packages. One way to accomplish this is to install the portupgrade port, then use it to upgrade a port/package and everything it depends on: First, install portupgrade. Then cvsup your ports collection so it is as recent as possible, then fetch the updated index so you don't have to wait for your system to build one: # cvsup ports-supfile # cd /usr/ports # make fetchindex then upgrade the ports that need upgrading: # portupgrade -R portname This will upgrade (from source) the port (or package) named portname, as well as all ports that it requires. There can be some glitches with this method on some ports, so read the man page and look at the examples it gives. Sometimes a dependency won't update automagically and you will need to portupgrade it separately, then go back and issue the top-level command again and let it pick up where it left off. This method can take a very very long time if something big gets rebuilt from source. You can also tell portupgrade to install packages rather than ports. I believe portupgrade uses the PKG_FETCH environment variable to tell it where to fetch packages from, so set it to the ftp URL above and you should get the latest packages, e.g. in bash, something like # export PKG_FETCH ftp://(etc) ; portupgrade -RPP portname You can even upgrade every package/port installed on your system with something like # export PGK_FETCH ftp://(...) ; portupgrade -RrP * The portmanager fans out there will tell you it is easier to use portmanager than portupgrade, but I've never used it, so you'll have to wait for their suggestions. So after I installed 5.3 yesterday I installed some packages with pkg_add -r (which used the 5.3-RELEASE versions of the software), and then installed some other stuff with ports, and then updated ports with cvsup and then installed yet some more stuff, and now I seem to find myself in the FreeBSD equivalent of DLL Hell. Should I just blow my system away and start from scratch? Is that the best course of action to take at this point? What do you mean when you say you are in DLL hell? Is something actually not working right? FreeBSD is pretty good about managing libraries. It should not be a problem to have multiple versions of the same library; different programs will use the version they were built for. This may not be true for Linux ports, though (not sure). Anyway, any (or a combination of) the methods I described above should be able to get everything straightened out after you fix the parts I likely remembered wrong. thanks, Thomas Good luck. - Bob ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: greetings from FreeBSD DLL Hell!
here is real good install guide. http://freebsd.packards-home.net/index.php It has section on ports and packages. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of N.J. Thomas Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 8:16 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: greetings from FreeBSD DLL Hell! I installed FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE and was installing packages via pkg_add -r foo. This worked, but it went and downloaded older versions of various programs (i.e. Mozilla Firefox 0.9). How can I tell pkg_add to use the 5-latest (5-STABLE? RELENG_5_3?) branch? Do I have to update my sources before I can do this? So after I installed 5.3 yesterday I installed some packages with pkg_add -r (which used the 5.3-RELEASE versions of the software), and then installed some other stuff with ports, and then updated ports with cvsup and then installed yet some more stuff, and now I seem to find myself in the FreeBSD equivalent of DLL Hell. Should I just blow my system away and start from scratch? Is that the best course of action to take at this point? thanks, Thomas -- N.J. Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Etiamsi occiderit me, in ipso sperabo ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
