Re: How to dual-boot FreeBSD 9 with Linux?

2011-10-29 Thread Unga
- Original Message -

 From: Thomas Mueller mueller6...@bellsouth.net
 To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org
 Cc: 
 Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2011 4:47 AM
 Subject: Re: How to dual-boot FreeBSD 9 with Linux?
 
  Is any one by now successfully dual-booting FreeBSD 9 with Linux?
 
  I have tried with OpenSuse 11.4 with FreeBSD 9. OpenSuse installs Grub1 to 
 mbr. Grub1 doesn't seem to support FreeBSD 9. It cannot recognise the file 
 system
 +type.
 
  Any help in this regard is very much appreciated.
 
  Many thanks in advance.
 
  Unga
 
 Not yet, but I intend to, once I get Linux built and installed, possibly 
 starting with a cross-compile from FreeBSD 9.
 
 On my older computer, i386 (32-bit), I dual-boot FreeBSD 8.2 and Linux 
 (Slackware) using LILO, also FreeDOS on another hard disk, can even boot 
 grub4dos and Plop (http://www.plop.at/) boot manager from LILO.
 
 Can you use rootnoverify with grub1 (you must mean grub 0.97)?
 
Yes, it is 0.97. 

 You could also try grub2, which is in the ports under sysutils.
 
 Is your hard disk partitioned MBR or GPT?
 

Its MBR.

 My hard disk is partitioned GPT, I still can't boot the hard disk directly, 
 but using the System Rescue CD (http://sysresccd.org/), I go to the Super 
 Grub 
 Disk in the floppy images, hit c to get to command prompt, and
 
 set root=(hd0,3)
 kfreebsd /boot/loader
 boot
 
 You would use the actual FreeBSD partition which will probably be different 
 from 
 (hd0,3).
 
 Tom
 

Tom,  thanks for the reply. I managed to get both OpenSUSE 11.4 and FreeBSD 9 
dual-boot on i386 desktop computer.

Unga

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How to dual-boot FreeBSD 9 with Linux?

2011-10-28 Thread Unga
Hi all

Is any one by now successfully dual-booting FreeBSD 9 with Linux?

I have tried with OpenSuse 11.4 with FreeBSD 9. OpenSuse installs Grub1 to mbr. 
Grub1 doesn't seem to support FreeBSD 9. It cannot recognise the file system 
type.

Any help in this regard is very much appreciated.

Many thanks in advance.

Unga

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Re: How to dual-boot FreeBSD 9 with Linux?

2011-10-28 Thread Carl Johnson
Unga unga...@yahoo.com writes:

 Hi all

 Is any one by now successfully dual-booting FreeBSD 9 with Linux?

 I have tried with OpenSuse 11.4 with FreeBSD 9. OpenSuse installs
 Grub1 to mbr. Grub1 doesn't seem to support FreeBSD 9. It cannot
 recognise the file system type.

 Any help in this regard is very much appreciated.

It isn't very difficult and there are at least two ways to do it.
Grub1 actually does support ffs and ufs2 file systems, but the linux
distributions don't seem to include the drivers.  If you can get the
source, that should have all of them.  I think that I just got the grub
package from the FreeBSD file system and copied the additional drivers
directly into my linux grub directory, but I am not sure now.

The other way is to use the 'chainloader' command.  You just specify the
disk and partition (slice) with the root command, and then add the
commands 'chainloader +1' and 'boot'.  The chainloader command just
means to boot whatever is at the first sector of the previously
specified disk and slice.  I think the first sector of a ufs2 file
system just jumps to the loader.

The menu items from mine are just:

title   FreeBSD /boot/loader
root(hd1,2,a)
kernel  /boot/loader
boot

title   FreeBSD chainloader
root(hd1,2)
chainloader +1
boot

In my case, those specifies that they use the third slice on the second
disk.  The first menu item requires that you already have the
'ufs2_stage1_5' file in your grub directory.

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Re: How to dual-boot FreeBSD 9 with Linux?

2011-10-28 Thread Thomas Mueller
 Is any one by now successfully dual-booting FreeBSD 9 with Linux?

 I have tried with OpenSuse 11.4 with FreeBSD 9. OpenSuse installs Grub1 to 
 mbr. Grub1 doesn't seem to support FreeBSD 9. It cannot recognise the file 
 system
+type.

 Any help in this regard is very much appreciated.

 Many thanks in advance.

 Unga

Not yet, but I intend to, once I get Linux built and installed, possibly 
starting with a cross-compile from FreeBSD 9.

On my older computer, i386 (32-bit), I dual-boot FreeBSD 8.2 and Linux 
(Slackware) using LILO, also FreeDOS on another hard disk, can even boot 
grub4dos and Plop (http://www.plop.at/) boot manager from LILO.

Can you use rootnoverify with grub1 (you must mean grub 0.97)?

You could also try grub2, which is in the ports under sysutils.

Is your hard disk partitioned MBR or GPT?

My hard disk is partitioned GPT, I still can't boot the hard disk directly, but 
using the System Rescue CD (http://sysresccd.org/), I go to the Super Grub Disk 
in the floppy images, hit c to get to command prompt, and

set root=(hd0,3)
kfreebsd /boot/loader
boot

You would use the actual FreeBSD partition which will probably be different 
from (hd0,3).

Tom

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Re: How to dual-boot FreeBSD 9 with Linux? [ SOLVED]

2011-10-28 Thread Unga
- Original Message -

 From: Carl Johnson ca...@peak.org
 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
 Cc: 
 Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2011 4:12 AM
 Subject: Re: How to dual-boot FreeBSD 9 with Linux?
 
 Unga unga...@yahoo.com writes:
 
  Hi all
 
  Is any one by now successfully dual-booting FreeBSD 9 with Linux?
 
  I have tried with OpenSuse 11.4 with FreeBSD 9. OpenSuse installs
  Grub1 to mbr. Grub1 doesn't seem to support FreeBSD 9. It cannot
  recognise the file system type.
 
  Any help in this regard is very much appreciated.
 
 It isn't very difficult and there are at least two ways to do it.
 Grub1 actually does support ffs and ufs2 file systems, but the linux
 distributions don't seem to include the drivers.  If you can get the
 source, that should have all of them.  I think that I just got the grub
 package from the FreeBSD file system and copied the additional drivers
 directly into my linux grub directory, but I am not sure now.
 
 The other way is to use the 'chainloader' command.  You just specify the
 disk and partition (slice) with the root command, and then add the
 commands 'chainloader +1' and 'boot'.  The chainloader command 
 just
 means to boot whatever is at the first sector of the previously
 specified disk and slice.  I think the first sector of a ufs2 file
 system just jumps to the loader.
 
 The menu items from mine are just:
 
 title           FreeBSD /boot/loader
 root            (hd1,2,a)
 kernel          /boot/loader
 boot
 
 title           FreeBSD chainloader
 root            (hd1,2)
 chainloader     +1
 boot
 
 In my case, those specifies that they use the third slice on the second
 disk.  The first menu item requires that you already have the
 'ufs2_stage1_5' file in your grub directory.
 

Hi Carl

Thank you very much for the reply.

Your second method (ie. chainloader) worked, but the grub still say file system 
type is unknown.

The ufs2_stage1_5 is available in /boot/grub/.

Since now I can have a working dual boot with Linux, I conclude this is solved.

Best regards
Unga
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Re: how to dual boot

2005-12-27 Thread dick hoogendijk
On 26 Dec Jerry McAllister wrote:
 Just put the FreeBSD install CD back in and install the FreeBSD MBR.
 It will give you a choice as to which to boot.   It works just fine.
 It's only quirk is that, if the MS slice is an NTFS type of filesystem
 it will identify it as ??? in the menu rather than MS-DOS as it
 identifies the FAT type file systems.

That weirdness is over in 6.x
NTFS partitions are under Fx DOS now and I must say I like this much
better then ???

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Re: how to dual boot

2005-12-27 Thread Jerry McAllister
 
 On 26 Dec Jerry McAllister wrote:
  Just put the FreeBSD install CD back in and install the FreeBSD MBR.
  It will give you a choice as to which to boot.   It works just fine.
  It's only quirk is that, if the MS slice is an NTFS type of filesystem
  it will identify it as ??? in the menu rather than MS-DOS as it
  identifies the FAT type file systems.
 
 That weirdness is over in 6.x
 NTFS partitions are under Fx DOS now and I must say I like this much
 better then ???

Ah, good.   
I haven't had time to install the 6.0 that I downloaded yet.

jerry

 
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Re: how to dual boot

2005-12-26 Thread Jerry McAllister
 
 Marty Landman 写道:
  I'm trying to get a dual boot system set up with FBSD 5.3 and Win XP sp1.
  First I installed FBSD using 15GB of the HD, then installed XP on the
  remaining 5GB. However now it boots up XP automatically. I can get back to
  the FBSD installer by booting from the 5.3 CD but what do I do to provide a
  choice of which to boot right on the HD?

Since you failed to follow instructions and loaded MS after other 
things, it wiped out your FreeBSD MBR.MS is unfriendly that way.

The MS MBR is also either too stupid or too selfish to boot any other
system.   

Just put the FreeBSD install CD back in and install the FreeBSD MBR.
It will give you a choice as to which to boot.   It works just fine.
It's only quirk is that, if the MS slice is an NTFS type of filesystem
it will identify it as ??? in the menu rather than MS-DOS as it identifies
the FAT type file systems.   But, just don't worry about that.  It works.

If you just have to have a more pretty identifying label, you can
install something like Grub or one of the other expanded booters.

jerry

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Re: how to dual boot

2005-12-25 Thread heromyth

Marty Landman 写道:

I'm trying to get a dual boot system set up with FBSD 5.3 and Win XP sp1.
First I installed FBSD using 15GB of the HD, then installed XP on the
remaining 5GB. However now it boots up XP automatically. I can get back to
the FBSD installer by booting from the 5.3 CD but what do I do to provide a
choice of which to boot right on the HD?


Using Symantec BootMagic 8.0, you can boot FreeBSD and WinXp.

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Fw: how to dual boot

2005-12-25 Thread maslan-freebsd
grub, standart freebsd boot menager...  and a lot of otheres
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Re: how to dual boot

2005-12-18 Thread Gerard Seibert
On Saturday, December 17, 2005 11:00:25 PM
Jerry McAllister [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: how to dual boot
Wrote these words of wisdom:

  At 07:39 PM 12/16/2005, Jerry McAllister wrote:
  
  You need to read the documentation better.
  
  Or at all. :)  Was hoping it would just magically guide me through it. Not 
  a critical box of mine of course.
  
  It tells you that you should install Microsloth first and then FreeBSD.
  
  Did that, lost MS so reinstalled it.
  
  But, FreeBSD is more sophisticated and also more friendly to the rest
  of the world and, first of all, asks if you want an MBR installed in
  the sector 0 and then if you go ahead and write FreeBSD's MBR, it will
  give you a choice of bootable slices to boot, including MS if present.
  
  Ok, I'll read the docs and reinstall FBSD. That's no problem, I hope.
  
  Here is the problem. This is my kids' computer and they insist on 
  installing XP. So we keep doing 30 day trials. On the bright side they've 
  all learned to install the OS. Sounds like I'll have problems though 
  keeping a FreeBSD install on there if Windows has to be reinstalled every 
  30 days.
 
 Oh well, such is life in the fast lane.
 Have fun.
 
 jerry
 
  Yuck.
  
  Marty
  


* REPLY SEPARATOR *
On 10/11/2005 5:29:42 PM, Gerard Replied:

Why do you have to reinstall Microsoft every thirty day? I am not
familiar with this trial scenario you mentioned. Do you have some
pirated copy of the software and are attempting to defeat the required
registration of it?

I am just curious, that is all.

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Buffet is a French term, It means get up and get it yourself.
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Re: how to dual boot

2005-12-17 Thread RW
On Friday 16 December 2005 21:31, Marty Landman wrote:
 I'm trying to get a dual boot system set up with FBSD 5.3 and Win XP sp1.
 First I installed FBSD using 15GB of the HD, then installed XP on the
 remaining 5GB. However now it boots up XP automatically. I can get back to
 the FBSD installer by booting from the 5.3 CD but what do I do to provide a
 choice of which to boot right on the HD?

Get the GAG bootloader, it's free, really easy to use and you can install it 
from ports or from many linux live CDs.

What's really nice about it, is that it's all menu driven, and the complete 
setup menu is accessible from the boot screen. So a year from now you can 
tweak the boot delay or add a new OS without the risk of screwing up.   
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Re: how to dual boot

2005-12-17 Thread Jerry McAllister
 
 At 07:39 PM 12/16/2005, Jerry McAllister wrote:
 
 You need to read the documentation better.
 
 Or at all. :)  Was hoping it would just magically guide me through it. Not 
 a critical box of mine of course.
 
 It tells you that you should install Microsloth first and then FreeBSD.
 
 Did that, lost MS so reinstalled it.
 
 But, FreeBSD is more sophisticated and also more friendly to the rest
 of the world and, first of all, asks if you want an MBR installed in
 the sector 0 and then if you go ahead and write FreeBSD's MBR, it will
 give you a choice of bootable slices to boot, including MS if present.
 
 Ok, I'll read the docs and reinstall FBSD. That's no problem, I hope.
 
 Here is the problem. This is my kids' computer and they insist on 
 installing XP. So we keep doing 30 day trials. On the bright side they've 
 all learned to install the OS. Sounds like I'll have problems though 
 keeping a FreeBSD install on there if Windows has to be reinstalled every 
 30 days.

Oh well, such is life in the fast lane.
Have fun.

jerry

 Yuck.
 
 Marty
 
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how to dual boot

2005-12-16 Thread Marty Landman
I'm trying to get a dual boot system set up with FBSD 5.3 and Win XP sp1.
First I installed FBSD using 15GB of the HD, then installed XP on the
remaining 5GB. However now it boots up XP automatically. I can get back to
the FBSD installer by booting from the 5.3 CD but what do I do to provide a
choice of which to boot right on the HD?
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Re: how to dual boot

2005-12-16 Thread Harley D. Eades III
On Fri, 2005-12-16 at 16:31 -0500, Marty Landman wrote:
 I'm trying to get a dual boot system set up with FBSD 5.3 and Win XP sp1.
 First I installed FBSD using 15GB of the HD, then installed XP on the
 remaining 5GB. However now it boots up XP automatically. I can get back to
 the FBSD installer by booting from the 5.3 CD but what do I do to provide a
 choice of which to boot right on the HD?
If you can get to freebsd use the freebsd bootloader and renable it
via fdisk -B -b /boot/boot0 device, or you could install grub and use
it.

see:
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/boot-blocks.html
and
http://www.pl.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/multi-os/article.html

Cheers  _GOOD_LUCK_

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Re: how to dual boot

2005-12-16 Thread Andrew L. Gould
On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 16:31:11 -0500
Marty Landman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I'm trying to get a dual boot system set up with FBSD 5.3 and Win XP
 sp1. First I installed FBSD using 15GB of the HD, then installed XP
 on the remaining 5GB. However now it boots up XP automatically. I can
 get back to the FBSD installer by booting from the 5.3 CD but what do
 I do to provide a choice of which to boot right on the HD?
 ___

You could try the following:

0. Understand that life is risk management; and that I offer no
guarantees/warranties regarding the following advice. Continue at your
own risk.

1. Boot from the installation CD.

2. When you get to the sysinstall Main Menu, select Index.

3. Select the Partition module.

4. DO NOT delete any partitions.

5. Set the FreeBSD and NTFS partitions as bootable.

6. Write your changes.

7. When given the option, install the FreeBSD boot loader (which
Windows erased during installation).

8. Back out of the sysinstall menus and quit.

9. Reboot, remove the CD and see what happens.

Good luck,

Andrew Gould
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Re: how to dual boot

2005-12-16 Thread Kent Stewart
On Friday 16 December 2005 01:31 pm, Marty Landman wrote:
 I'm trying to get a dual boot system set up with FBSD 5.3 and Win XP
 sp1. First I installed FBSD using 15GB of the HD, then installed XP
 on the remaining 5GB. However now it boots up XP automatically. I can
 get back to the FBSD installer by booting from the 5.3 CD but what do
 I do to provide a choice of which to boot right on the HD?

I use the ntldr to boot my dual boots. You just have to copy boot1 onto 
your c-drive and then add it to your boot.ini. You can do that from the 
system applet.

I renamed boot1 to bootsect.bsd and my boot.ini is as follows:

[boot loader]
timeout=4
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(4)\WINXP
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(4)\WINXP=Microsoft Windows XP 
Professional /f
c:\bootsect.bsd=FreeBSD

The line should be XP Professional but all I added was the FreeBSD. 
Ntldr lets you choose which one is primary and then, with a pop-down 
menu, easily change it to something else.

Kent
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Richland, WA

http://users.owt.com/kstewart/index.html
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Re: how to dual boot

2005-12-16 Thread Jerry McAllister
 
 I'm trying to get a dual boot system set up with FBSD 5.3 and Win XP sp1.
 First I installed FBSD using 15GB of the HD, then installed XP on the
 remaining 5GB. However now it boots up XP automatically. I can get back to
 the FBSD installer by booting from the 5.3 CD but what do I do to provide a
 choice of which to boot right on the HD?

You need to read the documentation better.
It tells you that you should install Microsloth first and then FreeBSD.
That is because MS doesn't play nicely and assumes it is the only thing
in the world and overwrites your MBR without asking and their MBR will
only boot MS (slightly different in recent MS, but essentially the same
is true).

But, FreeBSD is more sophisticated and also more friendly to the rest
of the world and, first of all, asks if you want an MBR installed in
the sector 0 and then if you go ahead and write FreeBSD's MBR, it will
give you a choice of bootable slices to boot, including MS if present.

The only odd thing is if the FreeBSD MBR detects a bootable slice with
a filesystem type it does not know such as NTFS, it identifies it in
the menu as '???' rather than with a name.   It will still boot just 
fine.It does recognize FATxx filesystems, FreeBSD, of course and
some others.   But, it doesn't have room to store names for lots of
others because it is a true MBR and only uses the one sector allocated
rather than using some of the space that is typically (but not officially)
not used in the first cylindar.

Since you have already let MS wipe out the FreeBSD MBR, you can just
put the install CD back in and tell it to write the FreeBSD MBR or 
even just reinstall FreeBSD from scratch, though that shouldn't actually
be necessary.

jerry

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Re: how to dual boot

2005-12-16 Thread Dieter
 The only odd thing is if the FreeBSD MBR detects a bootable slice with
 a filesystem type it does not know such as NTFS, it identifies it in
 the menu as '???' rather than with a name.

I'm triple-booting FreeBSD, NetBSD and that penguin thingy.  NetBSD's
fdisk(8) allows setting the menu labels to whatever string you want.
(limited to ~8 chars due to limited space in the MBR)
NetBSD's fdisk also automatically figures out how much space you
have left as you add partitions (er, slices in FreeBSD-speak).
On the other hand, if you want/need overlapping partitions/slices
for some reason, FreeBSD's fdisk will do it and NetBSD's will not.
(according to the man pages, I didn't try it)

For even more user-programablilty, grub has some nice features.
But doesn't fit in the MBR.
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Re: how to dual boot

2005-12-16 Thread Payne

Jerry McAllister wrote:


I'm trying to get a dual boot system set up with FBSD 5.3 and Win XP sp1.
First I installed FBSD using 15GB of the HD, then installed XP on the
remaining 5GB. However now it boots up XP automatically. I can get back to
the FBSD installer by booting from the 5.3 CD but what do I do to provide a
choice of which to boot right on the HD?
   

Well, you could try grub, but if you want a fact way of doing, it will 
cost. OS Selector from Acronis, or Boot Manager from PartitionMagic.


OS Selector

What you have to do is create a partition, about 100mb or 50mb and it 
must be FAT16/32, so if your windows partitions is fats, then you don't 
have to create the partition, but way it doesn't have to be first 
partition, just visible to OS Selector. Once you install it will read 
what OS'es you have install. It not a bad program because I have remove 
freebsd, for dragonfly and PC-BSD, and didn't have to anything just 
select the partition it was install on.


Boot Manager is I remember install on the master boot record and has to 
be install from the windows partions. I don't like it because I have 
kill a computer or two with it.


Grub has come a long way and there mail list and docs. But if you are 
newbie you might want to go the route of OS Selector. Just remember that 
when you install freebsd you not to select a boot manager.


Now before I get flame, I have use the freebsd boot manager BUT only 
with freebsd.


Payne


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