Re: looking for ideas: creating a data partition for a dual boot system

2007-12-11 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Tue, Dec 11, 2007 at 10:33:20PM +0100, Roland Smith wrote:

> On Tue, Dec 11, 2007 at 04:19:14PM -0500, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:
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> > >> 2. Share the same Desktop folder (I think if #1 is solved this is
> > >> automatic)
> > >
> > > Maybe, but the Desktop folder would be pretty much useless for
> > > FreeBSD. Maybe there is an X window manager that could do something
> > >  usefull with it, but I doubt it. And the icons and stuff would
> > > point to windows programs/drives anyway.
> > 
> > Every x desktop manager calls it ~/Desktop
> 
> What doe you mean by "desktop manager"? If you mean window manager, it
> is definitely not true. For instance, fvwm2 uses ~/.fvwm/config.
> 
> If you mean desktop environments, it is also not true. According to
> their respective documentations, KDE uses ~/.kde be default, and Gnome
> uses ~/.gconf, ~/.gnome2 and ~/.local/share.

I think he means his MS-Win desktop - not one in FreeBSD, but some
other posters seem to be drifting from that.

jerry

 
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Re: looking for ideas: creating a data partition for a dual boot system

2007-12-11 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Tue, Dec 11, 2007 at 03:43:14PM -0500, Aryeh Friedman wrote:

> I have both vista and freebsd 8-current installed on the same drive
> and also have allocated the rest of the disk to be a fat32 partition.
>  I know I should put any data I want to be passed between the two on
> the fat32 partition.   Now the question is how to lay it out so that:
> 
> 1. The home dir for my account of FreeBSD = Vista account's root dir
> 2. Share the same Desktop folder (I think if #1 is solved this is automatic)

In FreeBSD you can just change the login(home) directory field in 
the /etc/passwd file for the account.   Use  vipw(8) to do the editing.
But, you may not want to do that because there are some differences in
a MS fat32 filesystem and the UNIX type filesystem that FreeBSD uses.
Some ownership and permission and link information will be lost.

Instead, just mount that fat32 file system as 'msdosfs' type on to
some nice mnemonic mount point and work on it there.   I use "/mydos"
for mounting my fat32 partition in FreeBSD.   Then, you can
address files in it as /mydos/somedir/somefile.If you have a 
group of files you want to address as if they are in your home dir,
than make a symlink to their directory.

   cd
   ln -s /mydos/goodstuff goodstuff

Then any time you cd to ~/goodstuff you will really get /mydos/goodstuff

Pick your own names.

As for how to deal with it in MS-Vista, it will show up as another
drive, say e:  or  maybe f:  It will not be root as far as I can
tell.   But it might be possible to make it your desktop.
I avoid MS mostly.

jerry

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Re: looking for ideas: creating a data partition for a dual boot system

2007-12-11 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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Roland Smith wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 11, 2007 at 04:19:14PM -0500, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:
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 2. Share the same Desktop folder (I think if #1 is solved
 this is automatic)
>>> Maybe, but the Desktop folder would be pretty much useless for
>>> FreeBSD. Maybe there is an X window manager that could do
>>> something usefull with it, but I doubt it. And the icons and
>>> stuff would point to windows programs/drives anyway.
>> Every x desktop manager calls it ~/Desktop
>
> What doe you mean by "desktop manager"? If you mean window manager,
> it is definitely not true. For instance, fvwm2 uses ~/.fvwm/config.
>
Where did I say wm?
>
> If you mean desktop environments, it is also not true. According to
>  their respective documentations, KDE uses ~/.kde be default, and
> Gnome uses ~/.gconf, ~/.gnome2 and ~/.local/share.

I guess you don't use X... even though the above is correct both gnome
and kde create ~/Desktop and the desktop manager display (usually a
standalone executable seperate then the wm components) by default
shows it's contents on the desktop... btw I use xfce and same thing there
>
> Roland

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Re: looking for ideas: creating a data partition for a dual boot system

2007-12-11 Thread Roland Smith
On Tue, Dec 11, 2007 at 04:19:14PM -0500, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:
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> >> 2. Share the same Desktop folder (I think if #1 is solved this is
> >> automatic)
> >
> > Maybe, but the Desktop folder would be pretty much useless for
> > FreeBSD. Maybe there is an X window manager that could do something
> >  usefull with it, but I doubt it. And the icons and stuff would
> > point to windows programs/drives anyway.
> 
> Every x desktop manager calls it ~/Desktop

What doe you mean by "desktop manager"? If you mean window manager, it
is definitely not true. For instance, fvwm2 uses ~/.fvwm/config.

If you mean desktop environments, it is also not true. According to
their respective documentations, KDE uses ~/.kde be default, and Gnome
uses ~/.gconf, ~/.gnome2 and ~/.local/share.

Roland
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Re: looking for ideas: creating a data partition for a dual boot system

2007-12-11 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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>> 2. Share the same Desktop folder (I think if #1 is solved this is
>> automatic)
>
> Maybe, but the Desktop folder would be pretty much useless for
> FreeBSD. Maybe there is an X window manager that could do something
>  usefull with it, but I doubt it. And the icons and stuff would
> point to windows programs/drives anyway.

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Re: looking for ideas: creating a data partition for a dual boot system

2007-12-11 Thread Roland Smith
On Tue, Dec 11, 2007 at 03:43:14PM -0500, Aryeh Friedman wrote:
> I have both vista and freebsd 8-current installed on the same drive
> and also have allocated the rest of the disk to be a fat32 partition.
>  I know I should put any data I want to be passed between the two on
> the fat32 partition.   Now the question is how to lay it out so that:
> 
> 1. The home dir for my account of FreeBSD = Vista account's root dir

In FreeBSD you can mount the fat32 partition on /home/$USER. How to
handle this in vista you'd have to ask somewhere else, I think.

The FAT "filesystem" doesn't handle a lot of things (like file and
directory permissions) that UFS2 does. So this doesn't strike me as a
really good idea.

> 2. Share the same Desktop folder (I think if #1 is solved this is automatic)

Maybe, but the Desktop folder would be pretty much useless for
FreeBSD. Maybe there is an X window manager that could do something
usefull with it, but I doubt it. And the icons and stuff would point to
windows programs/drives anyway.

Roland
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looking for ideas: creating a data partition for a dual boot system

2007-12-11 Thread Aryeh Friedman
I have both vista and freebsd 8-current installed on the same drive
and also have allocated the rest of the disk to be a fat32 partition.
 I know I should put any data I want to be passed between the two on
the fat32 partition.   Now the question is how to lay it out so that:

1. The home dir for my account of FreeBSD = Vista account's root dir
2. Share the same Desktop folder (I think if #1 is solved this is automatic)
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