Re: man 1 eject [DaleCo]
On Wed, Nov 06, 2002 at 11:32:25PM -0500, Peter Leftwich wrote: Are we closer to getting to the bottom of this? I don't remember choosing to install eject manually from my original /stand/sysinstall install. pkg_info -W eject Ceri -- The warriors of my elders have come! To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
Re: man 1 eject [Giorgos]
On 2002-11-06 23:29, Peter Leftwich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 5 Nov 2002, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: keramida@gray[16:11]/home/keramida$ man -w eject No manual entry for eject What does man -w tell you? # man -w eject /usr/local/man/cat1/eject.1.gz (source: /usr/local/man/man1/eject.1.gz) Don't know if that helps you. Yep. Manpages that are installed from the base system sources are installed under /usr/share/man not /usr/local/man. The path that man prints here means that your manpage is installed as part of a port. Therefore, the source of the port is not under the control of the FreeBSD developers only, but a vendor is involved too. New features, changes to the way the program works, bugfixes and other useful changes should probably go to the original authors first :-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
Re: man 1 eject [Giorgos]
On Tue, 5 Nov 2002, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: Perhaps NetBSD has an eject program as part of the OS, but FreeBSD does not. The manpage seems to indicate otherwise: HISTORY The eject command appeared in FreeBSD 2.X FreeBSD 4.6.2 Jul 1, 1996FreeBSD 4.6.2 I don't have an eject manpage in my FreeBSD 5.x installation: Brave soul, running an Alpha (Beta?) OS. keramida@gray[16:11]/home/keramida$ man -w eject No manual entry for eject What does man -w tell you? # man -w eject /usr/local/man/cat1/eject.1.gz (source: /usr/local/man/man1/eject.1.gz) Don't know if that helps you. -- Peter Leftwich President Founder Video2Video Services Box 13692, La Jolla, CA, 92039 USA +1-413-403-9555 To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
Re: man 1 eject [DaleCo]
On Tue, 5 Nov 2002, DaleCo Help Desk wrote: I don't have an eject manpage in my FreeBSD 5.x installation: Nor does the FBSD site in -STABLE: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=ejectapropos=0sektion=0manpath=FreeBSD+4.7-stableformat=html What does the above show, no results? Sorry, no data found for `eject'. You may look for other FreeBSD Search Services. Peter, what in the *header* of your eject manpage? Generally, FBSD's own manpages show up with FreeBSD System Manager's Manual, or FreeBSD General Commands Manual, etc., etc. Kevin Kinsey DaleCo, S.P. The header, as in the first few lines of groffed manpage text? It shows: EJECT(1)FreeBSD General Commands Manual EJECT(1) NAME eject - eject removable media from drive Are we closer to getting to the bottom of this? I don't remember choosing to install eject manually from my original /stand/sysinstall install. -- Peter Leftwich President Founder Video2Video Services Box 13692, La Jolla, CA, 92039 USA +1-413-403-9555 To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
Re: man 1 eject
On 2002-11-05 02:10, Peter Leftwich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 4 Nov 2002, Sue Blake wrote: Peter, I think Greg is saying that there's no man page for eject in FreeBSD, because that program is not part of the operating system. Perhaps NetBSD has an eject program as part of the OS, but FreeBSD does not. The manpage seems to indicate otherwise: HISTORY The eject command appeared in FreeBSD 2.X FreeBSD 4.6.2 Jul 1, 1996FreeBSD 4.6.2 I don't have an eject manpage in my FreeBSD 5.x installation: keramida@gray[16:11]/home/keramida$ man -w eject No manual entry for eject What does man -w tell you? To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
Re: man 1 eject
From: Giorgos Keramidas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 8:12 AM Subject: Re: man 1 eject On 2002-11-05 02:10, Peter Leftwich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 4 Nov 2002, Sue Blake wrote: Peter, I think Greg is saying that there's no man page for eject in FreeBSD, because that program is not part of the operating system. Perhaps NetBSD has an eject program as part of the OS, but FreeBSD does not. The manpage seems to indicate otherwise: HISTORY The eject command appeared in FreeBSD 2.X FreeBSD 4.6.2 Jul 1, 1996 FreeBSD 4.6.2 I don't have an eject manpage in my FreeBSD 5.x installation: Nor does the FBSD site in -STABLE: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=ejectapropos=0sektion=0ma npath=FreeBSD+4.7-stableformat=html Sorry, no data found for `eject'. You may look for other FreeBSD Search Services. Peter, what in the *header* of your eject manpage? Generally, FBSD's own man- pages show up with FreeBSD System Manager's Manual, or FreeBSD General Commands Manual, etc., etc. Kevin Kinsey DaleCo, S.P. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
Re: man 1 eject
# [EMAIL PROTECTED] / 2002-11-05 16:12:49 +0200: On 2002-11-05 02:10, Peter Leftwich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 4 Nov 2002, Sue Blake wrote: Peter, I think Greg is saying that there's no man page for eject in FreeBSD, because that program is not part of the operating system. Perhaps NetBSD has an eject program as part of the OS, but FreeBSD does not. The manpage seems to indicate otherwise: HISTORY The eject command appeared in FreeBSD 2.X FreeBSD 4.6.2 Jul 1, 1996FreeBSD 4.6.2 I don't have an eject manpage in my FreeBSD 5.x installation: keramida@gray[16:11]/home/keramida$ man -w eject No manual entry for eject nor do I in 4.7-STABLE. What does man -w tell you? roman@freepuppy ~ 1001:0 man -w eject No manual entry for eject -- If you cc me or take the list(s) out completely I'll most likely ignore your message. see http://www.eyrie.org./~eagle/faqs/questions.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
Manual title standards (was: man 1 eject)
DaleCo Help Desk [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Peter, what in the *header* of your eject manpage? Generally, FBSD's own man- pages show up with FreeBSD System Manager's Manual, or FreeBSD General Commands Manual, etc., etc. Changing the subject, those FreeBSD ... Manual strings are the default middle portion of a manual entry's title as produced by the required mdoc(7) .Dt macro when the section number is given, but the volume is not given. (The left and right portions are usually like EJECT(1).) There is apparently no standard on what the title should be. There are non-FreeBSD parts (eg, named(8)) of the base OS which use the default title. There are ports (eg, eject(1) and portupgrade(1)) which do the same. Most of the ports I looked at have no middle portion. A few have silly things like FSF (grub(8)). Some seem to be in parts of their manual like Ruby Programmers Reference Manual (ruby(1)). Many of the ports will never be patched to have correct titles, but do you all think there should be a standard on titling? Or is there one? Where should it be found? mdoc(7)? Should we pretend that there is only one UNIX or System or FreeBSD manual, or also a Ruby Manual, etc? Should the title (middle portition) of every page of a section, be the same? (A porter's script could probably enforce that standard.) Should the title (middle portition) be the same across the whole manual? Should the titles be unique to parts of the base system, so that other non-base entries MUST NOT use those titles? Or instead of base system should it be FreeBSD parts of the base system? My preference is that all entries use section-default titles, and that ports be (auto-)patched to conform. I'd prefer a one-manual style: INTRO(5) FreeBSD Manual (File Formats)INTRO(5) PORTUPGRADE(1) FreeBSD Manual (General Commands)PORTUPGRADE(1) Whether the entry is associated with the base OS or ports, etc., should be noted in the body of the entry, under a separate standard, by those who care. (The History section might be OK for it, but I think a new section is needed for info like that and especially for bug reporting info.) To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
Re: Manual title standards (was: man 1 eject)
On 2002-11-05 13:02, Gary W. Swearingen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DaleCo Help Desk [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Peter, what in the *header* of your eject manpage? Generally, FBSD's own manpages show up with FreeBSD System Manager's Manual, or FreeBSD General Commands Manual, etc., etc. [...] There is apparently no standard on what the title should be. There are non-FreeBSD parts (eg, named(8)) of the base OS which use the default title. There are ports (eg, eject(1) and portupgrade(1)) which do the same. Most of the ports I looked at have no middle portion. A few have silly things like FSF (grub(8)). Some seem to be in parts of their manual like Ruby Programmers Reference Manual (ruby(1)). It's probably a hell of a maintenance load to patch all those ports and keep them updated. Even for manpages that are part of the base system the developers are cautious to avoid committing changes that are trivial and will cause conflicts in later imports of the source from the vendor's releases :/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
Re: man 1 eject
On Mon, 4 Nov 2002, Sue Blake wrote: On Mon, Nov 04, 2002 at 02:18:18AM -0500, Peter Leftwich wrote: On Mon, 4 Nov 2002, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: Hmm. Before we can improve the man page, we have to write it. Are you confusing FreeBSD with NetBSD? Greg I don't get it. Peter, I think Greg is saying that there's no man page for eject in FreeBSD, because that program is not part of the operating system. Perhaps NetBSD has an eject program as part of the OS, but FreeBSD does not. The manpage seems to indicate otherwise: HISTORY The eject command appeared in FreeBSD 2.X FreeBSD 4.6.2 Jul 1, 1996FreeBSD 4.6.2 Greg, I think Peter might have installed the sysutils/eject port and forgotten that it was installed as an additional program. In that case he'd need to find out who wrote the eject program and send his feedback there. Regards, -*Sue*- http://www.sievx.com/ I still suggest a command-line flag to do the opposite of eject. :) -- Peter Leftwich President Founder Video2Video Services Box 13692, La Jolla, CA, 92039 USA +1-413-403-9555 To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
man 1 eject
A question and a suggestion to improve the eject(1) manpage. Question: Why is there no SEE ALSO section for a command (if one exists) to insert the CD tray using the command line? Suggestion: The manpage could be clearer about not accepting the full device path, such as /dev/acd1c, and instead using eject acd1 for example. -- Peter Leftwich President Founder Video2Video Services Box 13692, La Jolla, CA, 92039 USA +1-413-403-9555 To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
Re: man 1 eject
On Sunday, 3 November 2002 at 13:39:46 -0800, Peter Leftwich wrote: A question and a suggestion to improve the eject(1) manpage. Question: Why is there no SEE ALSO section for a command (if one exists) to insert the CD tray using the command line? Suggestion: The manpage could be clearer about not accepting the full device path, such as /dev/acd1c, and instead using eject acd1 for example. Hmm. Before we can improve the man page, we have to write it. Are you confusing FreeBSD with NetBSD? Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
Re: man 1 eject
On Mon, 4 Nov 2002, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: Hmm. Before we can improve the man page, we have to write it. Are you confusing FreeBSD with NetBSD? Greg See complete headers for address and phone numbers I don't get it. -- Peter Leftwich President Founder Video2Video Services Box 13692, La Jolla, CA, 92039 USA +1-413-403-9555 To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
