Re: A packages question.
On Sat, 2 Oct 2004 14:58:03 -0400 (EDT), [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Well actually its looking better and better. What's the worst that can happen? I
> have done 'pkg_delete -a' now several times because removing one of the packages
> for XFree86 4.3 and replacing it with the newer version removes xterm. While twm
> is not my window manager of choice, it is better than the console.
>
> pkg_add -f -r package-name does not force the installation of 2nd level
> dependencies. So installing kde 3.<{anything -gt 1}> means finding all the
> dependencies such as imake, expat, ..., qt, ... and installing or forcing them
> before going after kdelib and then kdebase which must be done in this order
> (maybe not if all the lower level dependencies are met).
>
> I am going to try this just just for grins even though I suspect this will fail
> and I will drop back for 4.10 because of one or more of the following
> possibilities:
>
>1) Xorg and XFree 86 have (inadvertently?) dropped support for the video
> card used by my laptop. Due to its age, I suspect this is not a
> pressing problem. To report the problem I need to reinstall one or
> both to provide the information that either fails without an error.
>
>2) Some where in the maturation of 5.x, the C++ compiler changes have
> probably introduced changes in the BPI (if not the API) that may make it
> impossible to run X-based packages without moving forward. This is
> the supposition I think I am testing by trying to use kde 3.4 which
> has been built with Xorg.
>
>3) Buy a new PC is the wrong answer.
>
>4) building KDE and every other X application on a 400MHz laptop is the wrong
> answer.
>
> All of that was background so I could say this. Perhaps it is time to introduce
> branches into the packages tree. The alternative (IMO) is to require that only
> packages that were on the CD set when you burned or purchased it can be
> installed. Like #3 above I believe this to be the wrong answer because its
> greatly limits the population that will use FreeBSD as a workstation.
>
> After re-reading this, please do not consider this a rant. I love FreeBSD and
> will solve my problem one way or the other, help now in the form of ideas would
> be nice, but worst case, evenutally I will buy a newer PC.
>
> The idea here was to to float the idea of a branch in the package tree.
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > thanks - I will try it this way
> >
> > On Fri, 1 Oct 2004, Eric Kjeldergaard wrote:
> >
> > > While this idea may seem good on the surface, it's really a very bad idea
> > > (and I speak from experience) to hand-modify your package database. What
> > > you /should/ do instead is force the addition of the packages. `pkg_add -f
> > > `
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 22:16:45 -0400 (EDT), [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > Neither XFree86 4.4 nor Xorg supports the video on my laptop while XFree86
> > > > 4.3 works.
> > > >
> > > > I want to set up the package database to say XFree 4.4 is installed to see
> > > > if I can install the latest packages. Does anyone know that this will not
> > > > work? Also if I could get some pointer on how to modify the package db or
> > > > where this may be documented
> > > >
> >
>
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You're right that the freebsd package system should (in my opinion as
well as yours) probably be updated to handle versions better. It's
very interesting that xorg and xfree would have dropped support for
your video card. Perhaps they just changed support? Besides the
point, though.
pkgdb is the tool for /manually/ editing the package database that
resides in /var/db/pkg/pkgdb.db If you look at update and force, you
should be able to figure out the exact command.
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Re: A packages question.
Well actually its looking better and better. What's the worst that can happen? I
have done 'pkg_delete -a' now several times because removing one of the packages
for XFree86 4.3 and replacing it with the newer version removes xterm. While twm
is not my window manager of choice, it is better than the console.
pkg_add -f -r package-name does not force the installation of 2nd level
dependencies. So installing kde 3.<{anything -gt 1}> means finding all the
dependencies such as imake, expat, ..., qt, ... and installing or forcing them
before going after kdelib and then kdebase which must be done in this order
(maybe not if all the lower level dependencies are met).
I am going to try this just just for grins even though I suspect this will fail
and I will drop back for 4.10 because of one or more of the following
possibilities:
1) Xorg and XFree 86 have (inadvertently?) dropped support for the video
card used by my laptop. Due to its age, I suspect this is not a
pressing problem. To report the problem I need to reinstall one or
both to provide the information that either fails without an error.
2) Some where in the maturation of 5.x, the C++ compiler changes have
probably introduced changes in the BPI (if not the API) that may make it
impossible to run X-based packages without moving forward. This is
the supposition I think I am testing by trying to use kde 3.4 which
has been built with Xorg.
3) Buy a new PC is the wrong answer.
4) building KDE and every other X application on a 400MHz laptop is the wrong
answer.
All of that was background so I could say this. Perhaps it is time to introduce
branches into the packages tree. The alternative (IMO) is to require that only
packages that were on the CD set when you burned or purchased it can be
installed. Like #3 above I believe this to be the wrong answer because its
greatly limits the population that will use FreeBSD as a workstation.
After re-reading this, please do not consider this a rant. I love FreeBSD and
will solve my problem one way or the other, help now in the form of ideas would
be nice, but worst case, evenutally I will buy a newer PC.
The idea here was to to float the idea of a branch in the package tree.
On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> thanks - I will try it this way
>
> On Fri, 1 Oct 2004, Eric Kjeldergaard wrote:
>
> > While this idea may seem good on the surface, it's really a very bad idea
> > (and I speak from experience) to hand-modify your package database. What
> > you /should/ do instead is force the addition of the packages. `pkg_add -f
> > `
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 22:16:45 -0400 (EDT), [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Neither XFree86 4.4 nor Xorg supports the video on my laptop while XFree86
> > > 4.3 works.
> > >
> > > I want to set up the package database to say XFree 4.4 is installed to see
> > > if I can install the latest packages. Does anyone know that this will not
> > > work? Also if I could get some pointer on how to modify the package db or
> > > where this may be documented
> > >
>
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Re: A packages question.
thanks - I will try it this way On Fri, 1 Oct 2004, Eric Kjeldergaard wrote: > While this idea may seem good on the surface, it's really a very bad > idea (and I speak from experience) to hand-modify your package > database. What you /should/ do instead is force the addition of the > packages. `pkg_add -f ` > > > On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 22:16:45 -0400 (EDT), [EMAIL PROTECTED] > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Neither XFree86 4.4 nor Xorg supports the video on my laptop while XFree86 4.3 > > works. > > > > I want to set up the package database to say XFree 4.4 is installed to see if I > > can install the latest packages. Does anyone know that this will not work? Also > > if I could get some pointer on how to modify the package db or where this may be > > documented > > > -- > If I write a signature, my emails will appear more personalised. > _ Douglas Denault http://www.safeport.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 301-469-8766 Fax: 301-469-0601 ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: A packages question.
While this idea may seem good on the surface, it's really a very bad idea (and I speak from experience) to hand-modify your package database. What you /should/ do instead is force the addition of the packages. `pkg_add -f ` On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 22:16:45 -0400 (EDT), [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Neither XFree86 4.4 nor Xorg supports the video on my laptop while XFree86 4.3 > works. > > I want to set up the package database to say XFree 4.4 is installed to see if I > can install the latest packages. Does anyone know that this will not work? Also > if I could get some pointer on how to modify the package db or where this may be > documented > > _ > Douglas Denault > http://www.safeport.com > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Voice: 301-469-8766 > Fax: 301-469-0601 > ___ > [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" > -- If I write a signature, my emails will appear more personalised. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
A packages question.
Neither XFree86 4.4 nor Xorg supports the video on my laptop while XFree86 4.3 works. I want to set up the package database to say XFree 4.4 is installed to see if I can install the latest packages. Does anyone know that this will not work? Also if I could get some pointer on how to modify the package db or where this may be documented _ Douglas Denault http://www.safeport.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 301-469-8766 Fax: 301-469-0601 ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: packages question
On Thu, Mar 18, 2004 at 09:30:34AM +, Matthew Seaman wrote: > On Thu, Mar 18, 2004 at 10:24:54AM +0100, Christopher Bingham wrote: > > > If I download the two iso images (1 and 2) of version 5.2.1, > > will this include all the packages in the ports directory of > > the ports directory in the ftp mirror I am using? > > No. There's 10,000+ ports: far more than will fit on two whole CD > Roms, let alone the spare space after the system stuff has been > written there. ...and all the packages that are buildable and distributable are available on the FTP site. Kris pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: packages question
On Thu, Mar 18, 2004 at 10:24:54AM +0100, Christopher Bingham wrote: > If I download the two iso images (1 and 2) of version 5.2.1, > will this include all the packages in the ports directory of > the ports directory in the ftp mirror I am using? No. There's 10,000+ ports: far more than will fit on two whole CD Roms, let alone the spare space after the system stuff has been written there. Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 26 The Paddocks Savill Way PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Marlow Tel: +44 1628 476614 Bucks., SL7 1TH UK pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
packages question
Hi! If I download the two iso images (1 and 2) of version 5.2.1, will this include all the packages in the ports directory of the ports directory in the ftp mirror I am using? Thanks. Chris. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: stupid packages question
On Thu, Feb 12, 2004 at 03:46:58PM -0500, Duane Winner wrote: > Hello, > > I'm sure there is an easy answer to this that I just haven't been able > to gleen from reading stuff: > > How can I make packages for all the depencies of a package that I'm > trying to create in one fell swoop? > 'make package-recursive' the default ports make targets are documented in the comments in /usr/ports/Mk/bsd.port.mk - rob ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
stupid packages question
Hello, I'm sure there is an easy answer to this that I just haven't been able to gleen from reading stuff: How can I make packages for all the depencies of a package that I'm trying to create in one fell swoop? Example: If I go into /usr/ports/sysutils/portupgrade and type "make package" it builds a nice package that I can send to other machines to install, but then of course I will need to install all the depencies first, which means I have to go back to my build box, find all the sources and "make package" on all of them. Kinda tedious. Is there an easier way? I've read about "make package" in about 5 different docs/books, but none of the mention this problem. Thanks for any info. -DW ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
