No colours at all with ncurses and urxvt on FreeBSD 9.0-RC2
Hello, I can't get colours to work with urxvt (the normal urxvt, that is, not the 256-color one) over ssh. Google doesn't come up with any usable results for this particular case.. What bothers me is that a termcap entry for rxvt-unicode is present on the termcap file FreeBSD came with. I'm really clueless here, can someone give me a hint? Best, Moritz ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Quick build of stripped-down kernel
On Fri Nov 25 11, Thomas Mueller wrote: from b. f. bf1...@googlemail.com: If you are going to build most of the modules, but only want to exclude a few, then add the directories of the modules to be excluded (relative to /usr/src/sys/modules) to WITHOUT_MODULES, for example in /etc/make.conf. If you are only going to build a few modules, and want to exclude the majority of the modules, then add the directories of the modules that are to be built to MODULES_OVERRIDE. For no modules at all, set NO_MODULES. See /usr/src/sys/modules/Makefile and /usr/src/sys/conf/kern.post.mk for details. You may also save some time by using one of your faster machines to build the OS for the slower machines. Suppose you want to build more than one kernel so as to be able to choose at boot time. Then you might not want to build modules redundantly. So how would you make the modules from /boot/kernel accessible when booting /boot/kernel2? irrc there was a patch posted on some of the mailinglists not a long time ago, which added support for building only those modules, which aren't part of the kernel. this might be a good alternative, if you want a small footprint, but want to take advantage of all the freebsd kernel drivers/etc. cheers. alex Tom ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: No colours at all with ncurses and urxvt on FreeBSD 9.0-RC2
On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 06:37:18 -0500, Thomas Dickey wrote: On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 11:59:01AM +0100, Moritz Wilhelmy wrote: I can't get colours to work with urxvt (the normal urxvt, that is, not the 256-color one) over ssh. Google doesn't come up with any usable results for this particular case.. What bothers me is that a termcap entry for rxvt-unicode is present on the termcap file FreeBSD came with. I'm really clueless here, can someone give me a hint? setting TERM to rxvt-256color looks like the way to fix that issue. Indeed, setting TERM to either rxvt-256color or rxvt gives me colours. The remaining question is, why doesn't it work with rxvt-unicode, which is also in the termcap file? I'd prefer not working around the issue anymore by conditionally setting TERM on all my FreeBSD boxes, but fixing it once and for all... Nevertheless, thanks for your quick reply. Your help is appreciated :-) Best regards, Moritz ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: No colours at all with ncurses and urxvt on FreeBSD 9.0-RC2
On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 11:59:01AM +0100, Moritz Wilhelmy wrote: Hello, I can't get colours to work with urxvt (the normal urxvt, that is, not the 256-color one) over ssh. Google doesn't come up with any usable results for this particular case.. What bothers me is that a termcap entry for rxvt-unicode is present on the termcap file FreeBSD came with. I'm really clueless here, can someone give me a hint? setting TERM to rxvt-256color looks like the way to fix that issue. -- Thomas E. Dickey dic...@invisible-island.net http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: No colours at all with ncurses and urxvt on FreeBSD 9.0-RC2
On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 01:02:15PM +0100, Moritz Wilhelmy wrote: On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 06:37:18 -0500, Thomas Dickey wrote: On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 11:59:01AM +0100, Moritz Wilhelmy wrote: I can't get colours to work with urxvt (the normal urxvt, that is, not the 256-color one) over ssh. Google doesn't come up with any usable results for this particular case.. What bothers me is that a termcap entry for rxvt-unicode is present on the termcap file FreeBSD came with. I'm really clueless here, can someone give me a hint? setting TERM to rxvt-256color looks like the way to fix that issue. Indeed, setting TERM to either rxvt-256color or rxvt gives me colours. The remaining question is, why doesn't it work with rxvt-unicode, which is also in the termcap file? well... rxvt-unicode-256color was the effect of the checkins for termcap.src for conf/152713 and conf/153164 The earlier one suggests that the naming came from rxvt-unicode's sources. Checking that, it seems that the rxvt-unicode entry specifies 88 colors, while the rxvt-unicode-256color entry (close to rxvt-256color) does 256. However, the rxvt-unicode entry in FreeBSD was added for conf/117323, which equated it to rxvt-mono (no color), with some changes for function-keys. On the other hand, the rxvt entry uses color, which was overlooked in conf/117323: # Termcap entry for rxvt-unicode, taken from http://cvs.schmorp.de/rxvt-unicode/doc/rxvt.7.html#I_need_a_termcap_file_entry rxvt-unicode|rxvt-unicode terminal (X Window System):\ :SF=\E[%dS:SR=\E[%dT:bw:ec=\E[%dX:kb=\177:kd=\EOB:ke=\E[?1l\E:\ :kl=\EOD:kr=\EOC:ks=\E[?1h\E=:ku=\EOA:lm#0:te=\E[r\E[?1049l:\ :ti=\E[?1049h:tc=rxvt-mono: rxvt|rxvt terminal emulator (X Window System):\ :pa#64:Co#8:AF=\E[3%dm:AB=\E[4%dm:op=\E[39;49m:tc=rxvt-mono: Following the clue from the comment, the example using no color was present in rxvt.7 until it was removed in version 9.05 of rxvt-unicode. The current documentation contains no examples (the termcap/terminfo are only separate files). -- Thomas E. Dickey dic...@invisible-island.net http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net signature.asc Description: Digital signature
RE: Quick build of stripped-down kernel
At 10:39 AM 11/24/2011, Terrence Koeman wrote: Add makeoptions NO_MODULES=yes to your KERNCONF. Thank you (and thanks also to the other folks who responded in private e-mail). It also has a second advantage: besides disabling generation of the .ko files, it also suppresses compilation of drivers that are not going to be linked statically into the kernel. Build on an older Pentium II server took about 10-12% of the time! Worth knowing about. --Brett Glass ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Quick build of stripped-down kernel
On 11/25/11, Thomas Mueller mueller6...@bellsouth.net wrote: from b. f. bf1...@googlemail.com: If you are going to build most of the modules, but only want to exclude a few, then add the directories of the modules to be excluded (relative to /usr/src/sys/modules) to WITHOUT_MODULES, for example in /etc/make.conf. If you are only going to build a few modules, and want to exclude the majority of the modules, then add the directories of the modules that are to be built to MODULES_OVERRIDE. For no modules at all, set NO_MODULES. See /usr/src/sys/modules/Makefile and /usr/src/sys/conf/kern.post.mk for details. You may also save some time by using one of your faster machines to build the OS for the slower machines. Suppose you want to build more than one kernel so as to be able to choose at boot time. Then you might not want to build modules redundantly. So how would you make the modules from /boot/kernel accessible when booting /boot/kernel2? If the kernel versions were compatible, and the set of modules were the same, I suppose you could set MODULES_WITH_WORLD and KODIR=/boot/modules during buildworld and installworld, to build the modules as part of buildworld and install them in /boot/modules during installworld, rather than in /boot/kernel or /boot/kernel2. Then you could build and install both of your kernels with NO_MODULES, as previously discussed, and with your different choices of KODIR for each kernel. Because /boot/modules is part of the default module_path defined in /boot/defaults/loader.conf, the modules ought to load as usual for either kernel. If you wanted to place them in a different directory, you could alter KODIR during buildworld and installworld, and add the directory to module_path in /boot/loader.conf. I haven't tested this, but I think that it will work, and I'd be interested to hear whether it does. There are of course alternative methods. b. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: options atapicam and/or device ATA_CAM in kernel config?
Thomas Mueller mueller6...@bellsouth.net writes: What is the role of options atapicam and device ATA_CAM in kernel config file? Are they redundant? Kernel will build with both these options, but will it make things go awry? Is ATA_CAM deprecated? As far as I can see, ATA_CAM isn't currently documented. Just ignore it. I am trying to burn a CD (or DVD) on a SATA DVD-RW drive, but cdrtools don't work. Also, how do I build and install a kernel to some name other than /boot/kernel, and not build all modules in duplicate? I might want to try kernels with some differences in options, but with the same modules. NetBSD and Linux make it easy to choose a non-default name for the kernel, so I can have multiple kernels and choose one at boot. The usual way is to have a separate config file for each, although you can come up with other ways if you feel like being clever. The config files support an include functionality, so working through the files is pretty easy. As for leaving out modules, there are a number of options documented for make.conf(5) and src.conf(5) that give you various kinds of control. In Linux, beginning with kernels 2.6.*, cdrtools work without the ATA-SCSI dance. You don't say what version of FreeBSD you're on. I'm still using RELENG_8, so I may be missing some choices for later versions, where I understand that the CAM code has been significantly reworked. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Invalid fdisk partition table found
Robert travelin...@cox.net writes: Greetings [robert@dell64] ~ uname -a FreeBSD dell64.shasta204.local 8.2-STABLE FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE #34: Fri Nov 18 06:43:01 PST 2011 root@dell64.shasta204.local:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 I have two Lexar Professional 600X 16GB compact flash cards that are unusable. fdisk shows: [robert@dell64] ~ fdisk /dev/da1 *** Working on device /dev/da1 *** parameters extracted from in-core disklabel are: cylinders=29 heads=64 sectors/track=32 (2048 blks/cyl) parameters to be used for BIOS calculations are: cylinders=29 heads=64 sectors/track=32 (2048 blks/cyl) fdisk: invalid fdisk partition table found Media sector size is 512 Warning: BIOS sector numbering starts with sector 1 Information from DOS bootblock is: The data for partition 1 is: sysid 165 (0xa5),(FreeBSD/NetBSD/386BSD) start 32, size 59360 (28 Meg), flag 80 (active) beg: cyl 0/ head 1/ sector 1; end: cyl 28/ head 63/ sector 32 The data for partition 2 is: UNUSED The data for partition 3 is: UNUSED The data for partition 4 is: UNUSED It shows only 28 MB instead of 16GB. I have tried to change the type from 165 (FreeBSD) to msdosfs types 6 11 or 12 using fdisk -u and fdisk -i and also sade. I do not get an error but when finished it still shows the same data. I have tried to zero it out using dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/da1 bs=1m and nothing changes. I have tried different block sizes and counts to no avail. If you zero it out and fdisk still sees a partition table, the write probably didn't really happen. [Modulo some possible issues with the kernel caching the disk parameters.] fdisk is sometimes a bit quiet about its errors, but dd isn't... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Invalid fdisk partition table found (fwd)
On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 13:45:37 -0700 (MST) Warren Block wbl...@wonkity.com wrote: On Thu, 24 Nov 2011, Robert wrote: [robert@dell64] ~ sudo gpart destroy -F da1 da1 destroyed [robert@dell64] ~ fdisk /dev/da1 *** Working on device /dev/da1 *** parameters extracted from in-core disklabel are: cylinders=29 heads=64 sectors/track=32 (2048 blks/cyl) parameters to be used for BIOS calculations are: cylinders=29 heads=64 sectors/track=32 (2048 blks/cyl) fdisk: invalid fdisk partition table found The partition table was cleared. Media sector size is 512 Warning: BIOS sector numbering starts with sector 1 Information from DOS bootblock is: The data for partition 1 is: sysid 165 (0xa5),(FreeBSD/NetBSD/386BSD) start 32, size 59360 (28 Meg), flag 80 (active) beg: cyl 0/ head 1/ sector 1; end: cyl 28/ head 63/ sector 32 And it starts with a default table equal to the size of the drive. Is it supposed to still show sysid 165 ? I was under the impression that dd if=/dev/zero would clean out everything including sector 1. I see the flashing lights like it is writing to the CF card but nothing changes. More suggestions welcome. These are quite expensive CF cards. The dd/fdisk and gpart results show the same problem, so it likely isn't in the partitioning. Do both cards report the same size? Yes..sort of 28, 29 MB I found recently that there is some oddness with certain Sandisk flash memory that made it non-responsive to anything. FreeBSD couldn't do a thing with it. Before throwing it away, I tried it on a Windows Vista system... which recognized and formatted it without a complaint. Now it works on everything. Special vendor-specific code in Windows? XP Pro shows and error that the disk cannot be formatted. I tried it in the wifes Windows 7 and it shows no drive attached. Another option would be to attempt formatting the cards with a camera. I'll have to ask the camera owner if she tried that. OT. The last 2 times that I have sent replies to two list regarding this question, I have not seen it come through to me. Julian's relies as well as yours come through. Robert ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: No colours at all with ncurses and urxvt on FreeBSD 9.0-RC2
On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 08:19:15 -0500, Thomas Dickey wrote: well... rxvt-unicode-256color was the effect of the checkins for termcap.src for conf/152713 and conf/153164 The earlier one suggests that the naming came from rxvt-unicode's sources. Checking that, it seems that the rxvt-unicode entry specifies 88 colors, while the rxvt-unicode-256color entry (close to rxvt-256color) does 256. However, the rxvt-unicode entry in FreeBSD was added for conf/117323, which equated it to rxvt-mono (no color), with some changes for function-keys. On the other hand, the rxvt entry uses color, which was overlooked in conf/117323: # Termcap entry for rxvt-unicode, taken from http://cvs.schmorp.de/rxvt-unicode/doc/rxvt.7.html#I_need_a_termcap_file_entry rxvt-unicode|rxvt-unicode terminal (X Window System):\ :SF=\E[%dS:SR=\E[%dT:bw:ec=\E[%dX:kb=\177:kd=\EOB:ke=\E[?1l\E:\ :kl=\EOD:kr=\EOC:ks=\E[?1h\E=:ku=\EOA:lm#0:te=\E[r\E[?1049l:\ :ti=\E[?1049h:tc=rxvt-mono: And I already wondered why it was so short.. rxvt|rxvt terminal emulator (X Window System):\ :pa#64:Co#8:AF=\E[3%dm:AB=\E[4%dm:op=\E[39;49m:tc=rxvt-mono: Following the clue from the comment, the example using no color was present in rxvt.7 until it was removed in version 9.05 of rxvt-unicode. The current documentation contains no examples (the termcap/terminfo are only separate files). This sounds like a bug in FreeBSD's default termcap. Should I file a PR? Moritz ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
buildkernel not honoring WITH_MODULES from make.conf ? (was: Re: Quick build of stripped-down kernel)
On 11/24/11 4:17 PM, b. f. wrote: If you are going to build most of the modules, but only want to exclude a few, then add the directories of the modules to be excluded (relative to /usr/src/sys/modules) to WITHOUT_MODULES, for example in /etc/make.conf. If you are only going to build a few modules, and want to exclude the majority of the modules, then add the directories of the modules that are to be built to MODULES_OVERRIDE. For no modules at all, set NO_MODULES. See /usr/src/sys/modules/Makefile and /usr/src/sys/conf/kern.post.mk for details. You may also save some time by using one of your faster machines to build the OS for the slower machines. b. Hijacking this thread to report what might or might not be a problem on my part. On a 8.2-RELEASE box, I have set the following in /etc/make.conf: KERNCONF=MULTI WITH_MODULES=geom_label if_lagg linprocfs linsysfs linux mfi_linux I have then run, from /usr/src : make buildkernel make installkernel I notice, at the end of installkernel: [snip] === xl (install) install -o root -g wheel -m 555 if_xl.ko /boot/kernel install -o root -g wheel -m 555 if_xl.ko.symbols /boot/kernel === zfs (install) install -o root -g wheel -m 555 zfs.ko /boot/kernel install -o root -g wheel -m 555 zfs.ko.symbols /boot/kernel Why does it build and install these modules (and a whole lot of other ones) although they're not part of my WITH_MODULES list ? kldstat reports: Id Refs AddressSize Name 1 21 0x8010 999620 kernel 21 0x80a9a000 bc10 geom_label.ko 31 0x80aa6000 1358 mfi_linux.ko 44 0x80aa8000 42558linux.ko 51 0x80c22000 3ee0 linprocfs.ko 61 0x80c26000 a11 linsysfs.ko 71 0x80c27000 4f2c if_lagg.ko My issue here is that I totally don't need if_xl for example and would really love for it to be neither built nor installed. Have I misunderstood WITH_MODULES' use ? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: No colours at all with ncurses and urxvt on FreeBSD 9.0-RC2
On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 06:58:21PM +0100, Moritz Wilhelmy wrote: On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 08:19:15 -0500, Thomas Dickey wrote: well... rxvt-unicode-256color was the effect of the checkins for termcap.src for conf/152713 and conf/153164 The earlier one suggests that the naming came from rxvt-unicode's sources. Checking that, it seems that the rxvt-unicode entry specifies 88 colors, while the rxvt-unicode-256color entry (close to rxvt-256color) does 256. However, the rxvt-unicode entry in FreeBSD was added for conf/117323, which equated it to rxvt-mono (no color), with some changes for function-keys. On the other hand, the rxvt entry uses color, which was overlooked in conf/117323: # Termcap entry for rxvt-unicode, taken from http://cvs.schmorp.de/rxvt-unicode/doc/rxvt.7.html#I_need_a_termcap_file_entry rxvt-unicode|rxvt-unicode terminal (X Window System):\ :SF=\E[%dS:SR=\E[%dT:bw:ec=\E[%dX:kb=\177:kd=\EOB:ke=\E[?1l\E:\ :kl=\EOD:kr=\EOC:ks=\E[?1h\E=:ku=\EOA:lm#0:te=\E[r\E[?1049l:\ :ti=\E[?1049h:tc=rxvt-mono: And I already wondered why it was so short.. It's short because most of the content is in rxvt-mono (that tc= acts as an include). rxvt|rxvt terminal emulator (X Window System):\ :pa#64:Co#8:AF=\E[3%dm:AB=\E[4%dm:op=\E[39;49m:tc=rxvt-mono: this also is short - the main difference between the two is that the latter has features for color (pa, Co, AF, AB and op). Following the clue from the comment, the example using no color was present in rxvt.7 until it was removed in version 9.05 of rxvt-unicode. The current documentation contains no examples (the termcap/terminfo are only separate files). This sounds like a bug in FreeBSD's default termcap. Should I file a PR? yes - -- Thomas E. Dickey dic...@invisible-island.net http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net signature.asc Description: Digital signature
RE: buildkernel not honoring WITH_MODULES from make.conf ? (was: Re: Quick build of stripped-down kernel)
On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 at 19:27:54, Damien Fleuriot wrote: On 11/24/11 4:17 PM, b. f. wrote: If you are going to build most of the modules, but only want to exclude a few, then add the directories of the modules to be excluded (relative to /usr/src/sys/modules) to WITHOUT_MODULES, for example in /etc/make.conf. If you are only going to build a few modules, and want to exclude the majority of the modules, then add the directories of the modules that are to be built to MODULES_OVERRIDE. For no modules at all, set NO_MODULES. See /usr/src/sys/modules/Makefile and /usr/src/sys/conf/kern.post.mk for details. You may also save some time by using one of your faster machines to build the OS for the slower machines. b. Have I misunderstood WITH_MODULES' use ? The answer is in the post you quoted: use MODULES_OVERRIDE. -- Regards, T. Koeman, MTh/BSc/BPsy; Technical Monk MediaMonks B.V. (www.mediamonks.com) Please quote relevant replies in correspondence. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: Invalid fdisk partition table found (fwd)
On Fri, 25 Nov 2011, Robert wrote: On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 13:45:37 -0700 (MST) Warren Block wbl...@wonkity.com wrote: On Thu, 24 Nov 2011, Robert wrote: [robert@dell64] ~ sudo gpart destroy -F da1 da1 destroyed [robert@dell64] ~ fdisk /dev/da1 *** Working on device /dev/da1 *** parameters extracted from in-core disklabel are: cylinders=29 heads=64 sectors/track=32 (2048 blks/cyl) parameters to be used for BIOS calculations are: cylinders=29 heads=64 sectors/track=32 (2048 blks/cyl) fdisk: invalid fdisk partition table found The partition table was cleared. Media sector size is 512 Warning: BIOS sector numbering starts with sector 1 Information from DOS bootblock is: The data for partition 1 is: sysid 165 (0xa5),(FreeBSD/NetBSD/386BSD) start 32, size 59360 (28 Meg), flag 80 (active) beg: cyl 0/ head 1/ sector 1; end: cyl 28/ head 63/ sector 32 And it starts with a default table equal to the size of the drive. Is it supposed to still show sysid 165 ? I was under the impression that dd if=/dev/zero would clean out everything including sector 1. The partition table was cleared, that's why it said invalid fdisk partition table found. Rather than starting with an invalid table, it created a valid default table in memory. Do both cards report the same size? Yes..sort of 28, 29 MB If they weren't the same, I was going to suggest maybe they've been heavily used and worn out. But I don't know if capacity shrinks as blocks go bad and spares are used up, or if they just quit working. And I'd expect them to be very different unless they had the exact same usage, like in a mirror. OT. The last 2 times that I have sent replies to two list regarding this question, I have not seen it come through to me. Julian's relies as well as yours come through. Maybe spam or duplicate filtering. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
What might be causing this during during buildworld in 7.4-STABLE ?
I keep persistently getting this for no obvious reason... === gnu/usr.bin/texinfo/makeinfo (installincludes) === gnu/usr.bin/texinfo/info (installincludes) === gnu/usr.bin/texinfo/infokey (installincludes) === gnu/usr.bin/texinfo/install-info (installincludes) === gnu/usr.bin/texinfo/texindex (installincludes) === gnu/usr.bin/texinfo/doc (installincludes) 1 error *** Error code 2 1 error *** Error code 2 1 error Exit 2 And before anyone asks... Yes, it has been against the latest daily patches (csup), and it is still repeating after several days now. The uname -a line for the system is ... FreeBSD mjolnir 7.4-STABLE FreeBSD 7.4-STABLE #0: Sun Nov 13 18:30:46 EET 2011 r...@mjolnir.thunderbolt.fi:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/Mjolnir i386 Any ideas would be welcome. Cheers, // jau .--- ..- -.- -.- .-.- .-.-.-..- -.- -.- --- -. . -. /Jukka A. Ukkonen, Oxit Ltd, Finland /__ M.Sc. (sw-eng cs)(Phone) +358-500-606-671 / Internet: Jukka.Ukkonen(a)Oxit.Fi /Internet: jau(a)iki.fi v .--- .- ..- ...-.- .. -.- .. .-.-.- ..-. .. + + + + My opinions are mine and mine alone, not my employers. + + + + ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
