Re: Bittorrent not in ports?
On Saturday 19 June 2004 03:38, Julian M. Mason wrote: ...is bittorrent really not in ports? my usual # cd /usr/ports ; make search name=bittorrent and # whereis bittorrent turned up nothing; nor did a wandering around /usr/ports/net. Do I have to actually go and get something myself? gasp --Mac /usr/ports/net/py-bittorrent Python ports have names like py-THE_NAME and packages have py23-THE_NAME (or any later python version). Cheers, Dan ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: linux-realplay and esd
On Sunday 20 June 2004 12:04, grint wrote: Hello, I want use linux-realplay with esound, but when i try it i have some error. I search about it in google, and find that i must have libesd.so.0, but i have only libesd.so.2. I create symlink to libesd.so.0 from libesd.so.2. And now when i try use realplay i have coredump realplay. libesd.so.2 is ours, you probably need the linux esd port for running through linux compat, Try /usr/ports/audio/linux-esound, it installs into /usr/compat/linux. HTH, Dan ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Questions about Hauppauge WinTV 350
On Wednesday 23 June 2004 05:26, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: A number of software products use the Hauppauge WinTV 350 Personal Video Recorder (what a stupid name!). I've been planning to get one for some time, but here in Australia the prices are ridiculous (more than double what they are nearly anywhere else). So I've decided to have one sent from overseas. Question: are all WinTV 350s the same? In Australia we have the same standards as in most of Europe (PAL, not NTSC), and the tuner frequencies are also the same as those in Europe. If I buy a card in There's only PAL and NTSC and any TV card should support both. WinTV and almost every other have a bktr 848/878 capture chip. That;s the one you want in any case. As for the tuner they all work alike and should support both pal as NTSC and the Fench standard (SEcam?) as well as 34xx audio (which is usually most easily dealt with by just plugging it from the tv card audio-out into the soundcard audio-in. A cheap bktr card should cost up to 100-200 euro max these days. the USA, will it work here, or are there two different kinds of card, depending on where they're sold? No tuners are univrsal but they just have different definitions for different rendering tech. The web site is not of much help. To help me decide, it would be nice to hear from somebody with experience with the cards who can tell me a definite answer to at least one of these questions: Get a cheapo wintv with a bktr787 chip * Are there separate versions for different countries? Possibly but it technically means nothing IMO * Does the device you have support both PAL and NTSC? Yes and every one should as well as SECAM * Does the tuner on your device support both European and US frequencies? Yes any Phillips or other standard one should. * What kind of antenna connector does your card have? US TVs tend to have a screw-on connector, while European one tend to have a push-on connector. push on for coax there can be a lot of interference (even using cable broadcast via coax as is usual here in N europe) Other information, in particular where I can get them cheap, would also be appreciated. Like I said before get the cheapest bktr supported card (beware these tuner cards may get overheated and burn out at least the ones from a few years ago could -- proof on pic) Thanks in advance HTH, Dan ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 2. Try Kernel compiling..makefile stops because of some warnings
On Saturday 26 June 2004 02:19, Bill Moran wrote: Karim Forsthofer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello I tried to compile a new kernel from my 5.1 bsd cd. 5.1 is an obsolete, experimental version. If you're new to FreeBSD, you should be using 4.10. If you want to experiment with the 5.x branch, you should be using 5.2.1. Many problems that existed in 5.1 have been fixed in 5.2.1. You're unlikely to get any support for 5.1. That's true. But it supported building my kernels. 5.1 was not unstable or broken. It was less broken than 5.2-REL. Building kernel from cd src should always be supported. This is probably user error. Config and make depend worked well, but make stops and print out some warnings about unused functions in npx.c (or something else). This is the old way of building a kernel. You should use make buildkernel as described in the handbook: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/kernelconfig.html No. If you have a release from CD with src-sys installed and haven't cvsup'ed anything or don't have src-all fully installed than this *is* the proper way to build a kernel. In fact, it's the only way. There is no such thing as an old or a new way. These have IMHO unfortunately become the de facto terms but they're not accurate. On my -CURRENT box, when not updating world but merely rebuilding kernel, I normally use the old way because it's more straightforward then, starting from editing the conf file. Using make kernel would in that case produce the same of course. For future reference, it's very difficult to help when problems are described as print out some warnings about unused functions in npx.c (or something else). If you have questions in the future, you'll get more helpful answers if you provide the exact error messages. This document describes how to ask good questions: http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Yes. Without the actual output all we can do is guess. I searched in the newsgroup and found some similar postings to this subject It seems to me, that the problem appears when the RealTek pci NIC device is included in the config file. Someone wrote in the newsgroup, that gcc works with the wrong compiler flags, that means that the compiler stops at warnings, but he didn`t mention how the solve this problem or how to change the flags. Any suggestions? With the output we might be able to see if its a warning or an error. My Hardware is a d-link nic and the ensoniq 1370 soundcard, the other stuff is very common. The MYKERNEL configfile is attached to this email. I don't see anything wrong with it. How about if you load GENERIC and then kldload your NIC and 137x drivers, does everything work then? It's worth while to note that FreeBSD 5.x generally much more encourages the use of modules rather than compiling in drivers. Hope you can help me. Reinstalling to 5.2.1 is a good idea anyhow in the longer run. Greetings Karim Cheers, Dan ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie Upgrading 4.8 - 5.2, filesystem full
On Tuesday 10 February 2004 10:10, Richard Beyer wrote: Thanks Jez, Here's my df -h FilesystemSize Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/ad0s1a 126M 106M 9.4M92%/ /dev/ad0s1f 252M 9.6M 222M 4%/tmp /dev/ad0s1g72G 2.7G64G 4%/usr /dev/ad0s1e 252M51M 181M22%/var procfs4.0K 4.0K 0B 100%/proc It's an 80Gig HDD and I was using the sysinstall | upgrade | all | include ports I run 5.2.1-REL. Here are some differences: 4.x: kernel and modules reside in /kernel and /modules, there's a /standl around 5.x: kernel and modules reside in /boot/kernel, there's a /rescue replacing the old /stand (sysinstall in /usr/sbin now) So, if you delete old 4.x kernel(s) and modules and nuke /stand if you don't want it anymore you should probably be able to free some space. 5.x also uses somewhat more space in / but the difference isn't that much: Filesystem 1K-blocksUsedAvail Capacity Mounted on /dev/ad0s1a 253678 54124 17926023%/ most of this is in /boot: %du /boot 18 /boot/defaults 16586 /boot/kernel 1732/boot/modules -- appears that the nvidia module sits here, weird.. 16602 /boot/kernel.old 35816 /boot HTH, Dan ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: startup daemon as unpriviliged user
On Saturday 14 February 2004 01:47, Louis LeBlanc wrote: Hey everyone. Here's a general question for you. I have a FreeBSD 4.8 system that runs fetchmail for me as an unprivileged everyday userid. The problem is that the machine isn't on the most reliable powergrid one could hope for. So when the system comes back up after going down, I ALWAYS forget that I have to get fetchmail restarted. If I forget for too long, there's so much mail it blows the server that receives the mail into oblivion (also FreeBSD 4.8, running Sendmail, Cyrus Imapd, and the main culprit, Spamassassin - spamd). This is so bad that I often have to reboot the receiving system. So, how can I get a process to run automatically on startup for an unprivileged user? For a user unpriviledged but with a login, run service as user if available as an option to the app you want to run or use sudo or equivalent (as root you can sudo anything as any user). I have made this little blurb for my desktop after realizing that it's easy to forget starting spambayes pop3 proxy and then have my kmail be not able to connect to localhost:10110: % cat /usr/local/etc/rc.d/zzz_local_users.sh #!/bin/sh # spambayes cd /home/danny sudo -u danny sb_server.py -D hammie.db -l 10110 pop.vuurwerk.nl 110 # get yahoo mail every n minutes sudo -u danny ./.fetchyahoo It's a bit crude (need to hit enter to get my console back) but for my desktop its ok as it is. Obviously sudo needs to be installed and in path. The processes show up if I 'ps' as user danny and I can kill or hup them. HTH, Dan ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: domain and email problems
On Saturday 14 February 2004 23:39, RYAN vAN GINNEIKEN wrote: Just wondering why when i send email to yahoo or lycos and probably hotmail too it always ends up in there bulk mail folder. This is a great inconvenience do i need to be on or off some sort of list or something. Any help would be appreciated Are you using a fake domain? E.g. 'HELO yourbox' doesn't match your ISP's, or the like. Reverse DNS is also something often used as a criterion. They may use that when filtering, it's very common (which IMHO is kinda silly, they should instead use a Bayesian filter and let the user dump their spam into a SPAM folder, then use that periodically for training the filter). You may even be unfortunate as to being part of a blacklisted IP block by one of the anti spam houses whose databases are often used for filtering. It's hard to say what exactly they do. HTH, Dan ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: TV card
On Monday 16 February 2004 16:15, Edd Barrett wrote: Can anyone suggest a decent tv card that will work under freebsd in the uk? Anything with a Brooktree card should work, see bktr(4), e.g. WinTV, Miro, and some others. I think also USB devices with a bktr chip work but I don't have one myself. Brooktree 848 and 878 are sure to work, newer chipsets might. If you're going to use sound through the TV card, it will most likely be msp34xx (top of my head might be misspelled). I only use it with a camcorder and cable signal, with sounds plugged into my soundcard but you should be able to use sound from a TV/Coax signal. HTH, Dan ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cvsupfile question
On Wednesday 25 February 2004 20:17, Shaun T. Erickson wrote: I installed 5.2 from ISOs, then wanted to keep it up to date with the latest security fixes and to keep my ports doc trees up to date as well. I tried the following cvsupfile, and got two thirds of what I wanted, so I must not quite understand it yet. My ports docs are up to date, but instead of just getting security fixes to 5.2, my system source jumped to 5.2.1rc2. I don't want to go to 5.2.1 until it's This is normal. 5.2.1 will be a point release off the RELENG_5_2 branch and it's in code freeze at the time. So you got what you asked. It has security fixes as well as other bugfixes. The same has happened with some of the 4.x releases at the time. It's my understanding that if there are several critical security patches shortly after a major release and/or too much breakage, a point release is made. officially released. I'm reinstalling from scratch, and want to do it right this time. Can someone help me correct my cvsupfile, please? TIA peter# cat /etc/cvsupfile *default tag=RELENG_5_2 *default host=cvsup12.us.freebsd.org *default prefix=/usr *default base=/usr/local/etc/cvsup *default release=cvs delete use-rel-suffix compress src-all *default tag=. ports-all doc-all peter# /usr/share/examples/cvsup has example supfiles. IMHO you should have a seperate ports supfile, you'll likely update ports more often then your src. I normally only change the host and the tag if I want a releng supfile. HTH, Dan ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fetch unable to resolve.
On Thursday 26 February 2004 01:11, X-Istence wrote: Hello, I am having problems with fetch and ftp, being unable to resolve any DNS related matters. Like hostnames and stuff. However, nslookup, dig, and those tools still work just fine, i am wondering what the problem could be. See output below. If you need any other info, please let me know, the owner is thinking of having it reinstalled by the data center, but i would like to get to the bottom of this. Sequence of event in the last 4 days: 1. tinydns installed, setup, and totally ready 2. tinydns data copied to a new server, deamontools, tinydns and its stuff uninstalled 3. Nothing done for a day or two You also killed any tinydns/supervise processes? 4. Login to setup a mail server, fetch is unable to retrieve ports 5. Try to trouble shoot 6. No means available to get it to work, and here i am. SNIP So, are you perhaps still using your localhost or your box' IP (former) host to resolve?, e.g. what's in /etc/resolv/conf? I reckon it should use some upstream (your other?) nameserver now. Dan ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fetch unable to resolve.
On Thursday 26 February 2004 01:25, X-Istence wrote: Danny Pansters wrote: On Thursday 26 February 2004 01:11, X-Istence wrote: Hello, I am having problems with fetch and ftp, being unable to resolve any DNS related matters. Like hostnames and stuff. Reverse DNS not OK? Always tricky business. However, nslookup, dig, and those tools still work just fine, i am wondering what the problem could be. See output below. If you need any other info, please let me know, the owner is thinking of having it reinstalled by the data center, but i would like to get to the bottom of this. HTH Dan ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: kernel compile error
On Sunday 29 February 2004 01:52, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Im kinda new at this and I was compiling my kernel on my Dell Inspiron600m running FreeBSD 5.2 RELEASE when I just remembered[after taking a nap] that I did #make buildkernel KERNCONF=GENERIC If you build your own kernel, you should give it another name than GENERIC (and change ident in your config file). and I forgot to edit the /usr/src/sys/i386/conf/GENERIC file before running the process. anyway, the #make buildkernel completed and i wanted to change the GENERIC file so i went aroung and commented out all the stuff that i didnt have on my system and did a #make buildkernel KERNCONF=GENERIC again only to have errors after about a minute into the process. My Questions Are: Is it wrong to do this process again after a successful #make buildkernel? If so, what should I do to do it successfully? [should i rm -rf /usr/src cvsup -g -L 2 /etc/standard-supfile make world again?] Never run make world literally. Run make buildworld, make kernel, make installworld, mergemaster. Or is it possible that my GENERIC file is wrong? Yes, you edited too much out. This is a FAQ: #device scbus # SCSI bus (required for SCSI) device umass # Disks/Mass storage - Requires scbus and HTH, Dan ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: kernel compile error
On Sunday 29 February 2004 01:39, Remko Lodder wrote: Hi dude, It's not harmfull to replay the whole process, The way i do it is go to the dir cd /usr/src/sys/i386/conf/ edit the GENERIC file, cd ../compile/GENERIC make clean make depend make make install the makes sure the next command only get's runned when the previous command complete succesfully or returned status 0 (success in almost every case :)) You shouldn't do this while in a 'make world' cycle. (or if you insist do it from /usr/obj instead) HTH, Dan ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: kernel compile error
[CC'd to -questions so that it gets archived] On Sunday 29 February 2004 04:56, you wrote: Never run make world literally. Run make buildworld, make kernel, make installworld, mergemaster. Or is it possible that my GENERIC file is wrong? Yes, you edited too much out. This is a FAQ: #device scbus # SCSI bus (required for SCSI) device umass # Disks/Mass storage - Requires scbus and i dont have any SCSI devices. Is it still needed? Can you give me specific instructions to clean my slate and start over from the buildworld part? It's needed because USB disks work through the SCSI interface, that is as if they were SCSI disks. IS there a howto that is very detailed that you have? The Handbook. Apart from that, for kernel options and devices you can look at /usr/src/sys/conf/NOTES for architecture independent stuff, and /usr/src/sys/i386/conf/NOTES for specific i386 kernel options and other knobs. In 4.x this used to be the LINT file. btw, i did the thing the other guy said to do cd /usr/src/sys/i386/conf/ edited GENERIC file couldn't find cd ../compile/GENERIC [i typed it as you wrote, didnt work, so i went into ../compile and #ls but no files This is often (wrongly) referred to as the old method to build a kernel. You'll use configure, make depend, make install if you want to compile a custom kernel against your installed version (world) of FreeBSD. The often (wrongly) called new method is make kernel KERNCONF=BLAH from /usr/src. Now you are building a kernel against what's in your object tree (/usr/obj). Normally it will be have been populated when you did a make buildworld. You're going to install that version (world) later on, so you'll want a kernel that is built against this future world and with its toolchain. The difference seems subtle, but if you don't do this, you may find yourself with an unbootable kernel after you've run installworld, or a kernel that boots but a userland that gives you nothing but coredumps if it doesn't panic at init right away. Of course you can have a situation in which your object tree holds the same world that you're currently running and it is in that case and in that case only that you can safely use either method to build a custom kernel. To be fair, you can get away with using the wrong kernel build method if there's only minor differences between the currently installed and the newly built worlds if you're lucky but still it may cause certain quirks and instabilities that are quite impossible to pin down. Things like seemingly random panics or reboots that never get explained. so i went into #cd /usr/src and then make clean make depend make make install I think this effectly translates to running make world. and it worked out. could i work with that?? or should i do a clean slate reinstall? Well, I wouldn't recommend making it into a habit but if you got your bootable system with kernel and world from the same codebase (in sync as they say) and it runs OK, then just stick with it. Please note that if all you want is to rebuild your kernel without updating FreeBSD itself, you don't have to cvsup or make world at all. Just use the so-called old method. Also, in that case you only need the kernel source which you can simply extract from your install CD manually or with sysinstall. FreeBSD kernels are not versioned, the whole FreeBSD OS is. Cvsup and building world is moving to another version and in that case the kernel you build while going through your updating procedure should match that OS version. With Linux, the kernel *is* seperately versioned and the rest of a distribution can be considered something like our ports. So it's different concepts and it seems to never cease confusing the heck out of people :) HTH, Dan ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: flashplugin-mozilla is marked as broken...?
On Tuesday 02 March 2004 09:46, Rob wrote: So can I thus combine: FreeBSD-mozilla + linux-flash-plugin ? No. Linux-mozilla plus linux-flashplugin OR (preferred if you ask me): FreeBSD-mozilla plus linux-flashplugin6 plus linuxpluginwrapper. They're all in /usr/ports/www. Do read the blurb about 'libmap.conf' when installing the latter. HTH, Dan ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How do I test for NO tcp flags being set, in ipfilter? (repost)
On Tuesday 02 March 2004 18:27, Shaun T. Erickson wrote: How do I test for NO tcp flags being set, in ipfilter? You can filter on TCP flags but seems to me what you really mean is how to check for no TCP options (nop) rather than no flags: 'with opt nop' is a syntax that should work. WRT flags, it's my understanding that every TCP packet has at least the A or S flag set. HTH, Dan ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 1 processor vs. 2
On Wednesday 03 March 2004 14:05, Stefan Cars wrote: Dual Xeon, 2.4 GHZ with 2GB of RAM or Xeon 3.0 GHZ with 2GB of RAM and RAID-1 on three disks or RAID-5 on three disks. RAID5 on 3 disks? That's useless. HTH, Dan ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: UPDATING 5.1-REL
On Wednesday 03 March 2004 11:13, Odhiambo Washington wrote: real memory = 268410880 (255 MB) avail memory = 254259200 (242 MB) Random buildworld failures are almost always due to bad RAM. You said 512, well dmesg only shows half. Try first taking the sticks out and putting them back in, swap the sticks one by one for a known good one if needed. HTH, Dan ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 1 processor vs. 2
(enough CCing, back to list only) On Wednesday 03 March 2004 22:36, Matthew Seaman wrote: On Wed, Mar 03, 2004 at 10:26:43PM +0100, Stefan Cars wrote: Okey, but if you would compare RAID-1 on two disks compared to RAID-5 on three disks then ? What would be the faster ? RAID1 is going to be faster, both reading and writing, but it will take a lot more raw disk space to provide the required usable space. No, it would require 2 identical disks, whereas RAID5 with 3 disks would require 3 of those disks ;-) Physical disks are your unit of failure or of resilliance if you like. That's why you need 5+ drives for RAID5 to be any real fun. You want your data to be present at least twice on different physical drives. You want the same for your parity info. The mere fact that you stripe everything out with RAID5 doesn't change your physical unit which is one disk. Resilliance means: what happens if a random drive fails. RAID5 on 3 disks defeats the purpose of RAID5 IMHO. Theoretically the more drives, the better RAID5 gets, so that might say something about Veritas if they warned against using more than 7 drives. Perhaps grog can be the final referee here, not my turf ;-) Having said that I don't have a RAID5, but I would recommend OP to use RAID1 and use the 3rd drive as a (semi) hot spare for extra sleep security and less spending. It's much more interesting if you can (un)plug a spare on the fly BTW. I just kinda fell back into the developed thread, hope you don't mind me adding a general remark: One doesn't do RAID to increase performance. Period. If budget is no problem, buy spare boxen and use them secondary, always nominated to become primary at any time. That's better insurance against (any) hardware failure than mere RAID can ever be IMHO. Greets, Dan ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RAID1 vs RAID5 [ was Re: 1 processor vs. 2]
On Wednesday 03 March 2004 23:20, Reko Turja wrote: RAID-1 will be about 50% faster than RAID-5 doing reads regardless of size, and will also be *much* faster doing small writes-- by a factor of 4, perhaps. The abovementioned figures seem more like comparing RAID-0 (striping) to RAID-5 (striping with ECC) than RAID-5 to RAID-1 (mirroring). In my experience mirroring is always the slowest RAID in terms of retrieving data, writes might be quite comparable with RAID-1 and RAID-5 though. That makes sense. With more disks you have more disk heads to read with. So statistically and theoreticaly RAID1 compares to no RAID at all as 2x read speed, 1x write speed (it needs to be written twice but through two heads on two drives seperately and assume they react and move at the same speed). Take a RAID5 with 5 drives that would in terms of data resiliance compare with a RAID1 of 3 drives at best (right?). Change the above numbers for a RAID1 to 3 drives and you have a 3x read and a 1x write speed. With the hypothetical RAID5 as above we have 3x read and 1x write speed for data plus 2x read and 1x write for parity info which will usually be smaller in size. Let's assume they're of comparative sizes, to make things simple, then we have 5/2x reads and 1x writes to compare. Therefore reads are poorer and there's more overall CPU/RAM overhead (with hardware RAID this depends on how you look at it, all RAID is essentially software RAID be it on your PC on on a chip inside it). This simplified approach would indicate that 6 or more drives might be a nice thing for RAID5. I thought this over more often when thinking of how to deploy vinum and recently about whether to buy a RAID1 (cheap) or RAID5 ($$) ATA card and always thought this was the correct way to consider performance (resilliance is another thing). Do people agree on this? I often wondered because most of the meta-information around doesn't go into specifics like this. I think the above scenario applies only when there's a reasonable amount of I/O going on concurrently rather than if nothing ever happens but that lone write or read. That would change the assumption that more heads == more reads equal writes (not rights ;-). Sorry to divert a bit. What can I say, I like having a (somewhat informed) discussion... And this is still relevant to OP. Greets, Dan ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ipfw rules
On Thursday 04 March 2004 01:42, RYAN vAN GINNEKEN wrote: I know this has probably been posted 1000's of times but i would like to set up a ipfw firewall i run many services on this machine. It acts as a gateway for my network APACHE web server 80/TCP and perhaps 443/TCP IMAP mail server 143/TCP SMTP mail server 25/TCP BIND name server 53/UDP for xfers 53/TCP FTP server 21/TCP 20/TCP maybe (I use ipf but the principles are the same) - block in/out packages you never want to see at all (e.g. with weird opts or too short to be normal) - block in anything from your own IP - block in anything from private addresses (you can get and update lists of these) - let no broadcasting packets come in or go out even on wrong bcast addresses - block in (and log) everything else except: - your services on their ports keep state and with proxy if needed (ftp?) - let everything outward go and keep state or: - let nothing out except what you may initialize (and keep state) e.g. web traffic, mail retrieval, etc. More cumbersome. - decide on ping etc, what do you want to come in and what ICMP do you want to respond to - send out resets rather than ICMP-no-answer or whatever it's called on blocked ports Keep huge big logs at first, then later strip out what you know means no harm. I don't know about VNC. HTH, Dan ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: burncd args
On Friday 12 March 2004 00:04, lee slaughter wrote: hi. i make a tar.gz backup file. isburncd -f /dev/acd1 data filename fixate the right syntax? is data the correct type? i cannot tell from burncd manpage. What you called filename should be the ISO (top of my head, I think the only exception is if you're creating an audio CD with only WAV/AIFF files that go into tracks). So use mkisofs first, then burncd. HTH, Dan ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Failure At Build (?) Stage When Making Ports?
On Thursday 11 March 2004 20:52, Drew Tomlinson wrote: I'm trying to do things the smart way. I have two machines running 4.9. Instead of keeping a ports collection on both, I have and update the collection on one named blacklamb. Blacklamb runs Samba 2.2.8a_1. I created a samba share called ports and pointed it to /usr/ports. I then used smbfs to mount ports on blacksheep (the other machine) at /usr/ports. Here's the relevant portion of /etc/fstab from blacksheep: blacksheep cat /etc/fstab # DeviceMountpoint FStype Options Dump Pass# //account@blacklamb/ports /usr/ports smbfs rw,noauto 0 0 On both machines, I edited /etc/make.conf to set WRKDIRPREFIX=/var/tmp so each would use it's own disk space when making ports. Ports build without error on blacklamb, the machine that has the ports tree locally but when building on blacksheep, they always fail. I've read the Porter's Handbook to see what I could figure out. I think blacksheep is failing at the actual build stage. I posted a complete build log of an attempt to build the bacula client at http://drew.mykitchentable.net/Temp/blacksheep_bacula.txt. All attempts to build ports on blacksheep fail at this same point. I have no idea what to check next so any help would be greatly appreciated. Looking at the output I noticed it was in /usr/var/tmp/usr/ports/theport/workdir/and/all/that. Was that the intention? Or is there some symlink /usr/var to /var, considering the WRKDIRPREFIX. Since the 'depend' step seems to work fine, your method in itself can't be wrong. Maybe you need to use hard links for some reason that I can't quite grasp (yet)... If you're doing something with symlinks, I'd look there first for an explanation why the build fails. It says 'can't read makefile'. You should be able to find out which one that is (have it build locally without cleaning). Amplify this if you also have a symlink /tmp to /var/tmp (consider scripts using '../..' in paths etc). Does the same thing occur without using portupgrade (which certainly uses /tmp), e.g. just make? HTH, Dan ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Kernel Questions
On Friday 12 March 2004 01:36, Uwe Doering wrote: Well, as far as the result is concerned, both methods are identical. However, if you use the step-by-step procedure the object files remain intact after a kernel build, or at least until you delete them deliberately. So if you then have to make just a minor patch to one of the source files, possibly in the course of a security advisory, 'make' recompiles only the source file that changed. With the 'buildkernel' target, on the other hand, a complete kernel build takes place, that is, it compiles all source files again, regardless of how small the change you made actually was. This costs considerably more time. That's why the (selectively executed) step-by-step method makes sense for kernel development work and even the occasional security patch. I'd like to add to this, that if you do a buildworld in between the buildkernel target will build against this new world (tool chain) not against the installed one. Dan ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: burncd args
On Friday 12 March 2004 02:52, you wrote: lee slaughter [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Danny Pansters wrote: On Friday 12 March 2004 00:04, lee slaughter wrote: hi. i make a tar.gz backup file. isburncd -f /dev/acd1 data filename fixate the right syntax? is data the correct type? i cannot tell from burncd manpage. What you called filename should be the ISO (top of my head, I think the only exception is if you're creating an audio CD with only WAV/AIFF files that go into tracks). So use mkisofs first, then burncd. hmmm. so you can only burn an ISO image onto a CD. not anything else? like UFS or any other format? No, you can burn any format you want. You have to remember what it is to mount it again, though; most people will assume it's an ISO 9660 if it's on a CD. It can be useful to burn a raw tar or dump file to a CD, for example. I didn't know that, thanks for pointing that out. Though in order to have anything bootable (from a CD rom) you'd have no other choice than iso, or not? (I sometimes made these mini install CDs containing only the 2.88 floppy image but I always thought of it as an ISO with the bootable image being specified. I'm now wondering if I misunderstood this). Cheers, Dan ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: After xwindow is up.
[ should I have CC'd this to ports@ instead?] On Monday 15 March 2004 22:41, you wrote: hello everyone, Thanks for answers, Danny Wrote: For Flash you'll probably want to install www/linux-flashplugin6 and the www/linuxpluginwrapper ports. flashplugin6 has been installed fine,, but when i try to install /linuxpluginwrapper It says I didnot enable libmap.conf! but this file doesnot exist in my box. You have to create it in /etc/libmap.conf. Safest bet is to copy the example shown in the port's message. Maybe you need to change the path for flash. Mine looks like this (ignore the first two lines, it's temporary and with 5.1 it doesn't concern you -- you might need it if updating from 5.1 to 5.3 later though when rebuilding ports): libc_r.so.5 libpthread.so.1 # Everything that uses 'libc_r' libc_r.so libpthread.so # now uses 'libpthread' # Flash6 with Opera is not avilable. # Flash6 with Konqueror (temporary setting) [/usr/local/lib/linux-flashplugin6/libflashplayer.so] libpthread.so.0 liblthread.so.3 libdl.so.2 pluginwrapper/flash6.so libz.so.1 libz.so.2 libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3liblstdc++.so.4 libm.so.6 libm.so.2 libc.so.6 pluginwrapper/flash6.so # Flash6 with Mozilla/Firebird/Galeon/Epiphany [/usr/local/lib/linux-flashplugin6/libflashplayer.so] libpthread.so.0 liblthread.so.3 libdl.so.2 pluginwrapper/flash6.so libz.so.1 libz.so.2 libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3liblstdc++.so.4 libm.so.6 libm.so.2 libc.so.6 pluginwrapper/flash6.so # Acrobat with Opera #[/usr/X11R6/lib/browser_plugins/nppdf.so] #libc.so.6 pluginwrapper/acrobat.so # Acrobat with Mozilla/Firebird/Galeon/Epiphany #[/usr/local/Acrobat5/Browsers/intellinux/nppdf.so] #libc.so.6 pluginwrapper/acrobat.so Acrobat always freezes -- this might be solved by now -- but I always use the KDE plugin for PDFs and it works fine and looks better. After linux-flashplugin6 I found the file libflashplayer.so and I added as a path in konqueror browser (Configure - Plugins) and I click on scan, but it doesnot scan and says nspluginscan excutable cannot be found - netscape plugin cant be scaned Mmmm. Could you try running 'whereis nspluginscan'. If it shows nothing than apparently the package you used doesn't include motif/nsplugin support in kdebase. That would be quite bad! Standard port build does include it as far as I know, or it may depend on whether you already have motif/lesstiff libraries. If this is indeed the problem, you can build kdebase from ports and you should also report to [EMAIL PROTECTED] that plugin support is missing in the package. It should be in there. I remember having an email exange with a gentleman who had the same problem, but he was building from ports. Perhaps a motif dependency on kdebase is needed to ensure nsplugin support. As much as we all hate them ;-), plugins are important if only for flash which only works as a plugin. Java with konqueror works through a KPart and not through the nsplugin method. For what it's worth I have: % pkg_info | grep motif open-motif-2.2.2_2 Motif X11 Toolkit (industry standard GUI (IEEE 1295)) I don't know if I got that when building KDE or if I had it before. It is needed for rendering Linux plugins that use motif. Path I added is /usr/local/lib/linux-flashplugin6/libflashplayer.so I have just /usr/local/lib/linux-flashplugin6/ Shall I install netscape? If i do so, does it work fine with this stuff? or same? In File associations I cannot see anything called netscape plugin. I would appreciate if you help me more in this issue, OK, taking into account the above, the nsplugins appear as a choice for embedded playing, that is the second tab in the right side pane in Konq's config dialog. So you click the mime type and then embedding on the right. In that tab, if you click add you get a list of KParts and some other embedded things perhaps, one of them is Netscape plugin viewer (nsplugin). If you don't see this at all, that might be another hint that your package may not have nsplugin support at all. And i thanks your previous help You're welcome. Would be better if it would work though :) I'm currently rebuilding all of KDE to update to 3.2.1 and get over the libc_r - libpthread name change on -CURRENT as of a week ago, I can't provide you with working packages for 5.1. I'd like to add that KDE 3.2+ is /very/ fast on -CURRENT or basically 5.2+ULE (self built 2001 single processor desktop box, 1.5GHz Intel IV, Asus P4B mobo, 512 MB RAM, Via
Re: cups Administration with Webinterfaces: - Device: Parallel Port missing
On Friday 26 March 2004 15:16, Christian Tanghe wrote: Hi, in brief: My system: FBSD 5.2 Current, Cups, Gimp-print and ghostscript from this days I want to add a locally connected Printer using the webinterface. In the dropdown menue Device apear different printer devices, e.g. LPD/LPR Host or Printer and IPP, but _not_ Parallel Port. 1. what is wrong? It doesn't see or know that there's something on the par port. 2. are more infos about the System needed? What printer and what does 'dmesg' say about it? I've been scratching my head a while ago when setting up cups because of the same problem, and I found out that if my printer was on while booting, it would report something like lpt0: HP OfficeJet PNP on ppbus0 suggesting something plug and play instead of lpt0: Printer on ppbus0 if the printer was turned off. You might want to try that (only for first time detection). 3. right group? Yes. Thank you, greetings Christian HTH, Dan ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Please don't bite again -- it gets worse and worse lately --- Re: Again: There must be a better way
Please, As a reader and sometimes off-list responder on our FreeBSD lists, all I can say is that they're useful, and that it is of course polluted by spam and pranksters subscribing the list to other lists and last but not least by trolls, but they are is still _very_ useful. Keep it that way and minimize useless responses. Certainly when it's obvious trolls. Please just don't bite and let it go. One reasonable hint is if the reply-to address contains aol.com, by the way. Unfortunately this ain't no rule of thumb. Thanks, DaN -- if replying please do so to [EMAIL PROTECTED] not this Yahoo account. Thank you. -- Ricin Radio! http://stations.mp3s.com/stations/180/ricin_radio.html __ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
ATA disk ticking?
Please note: da=scsi, ad=ATA, Ok, I have replaced my power supply, and now my assumingly faulty SCSI drive seems to work again. I have 4 drives in my box, two identical barracuda's da0 and da1 and two IDE WD disks ad0 and ad1. It boots off ad0 now. Currently I have da0 and da1 mounted and tested them by writing the ad root partition to it. Not tested as part of the running OS, only have been mounted to copy some data to its (then) root partition. Worked OK. Because of reocurring problems with the (currently) da1 drive I have replaced my base system with 2 ata drives, which is FreeBSD-4.7-PRE currently and they have everything but the root partion mirrored with vinum (much like I had da0 and da1 vefore). Root partition is pseudo mirrored with dump every night, as was the case with the da0-da1 setup before. I have put these drives in because my (then) ad0 scsi drive seemed to fail then but after power supply replacement they don't seem to. I'm quite certain that the caveat was the power supply. Have now replaced it with an Antec True Power thingie. Seems to run well and my scsi drives (which I had mounted and copied some data to) seem to do OK. But the ATA drives (I think) still meke this clicking sound now and again. I think it's resets and I'm not sure if its hardware failure or perhaps the ata driver in this case. They are ATA100 capable drives on a UDMA66 capable controller. And it works on ATA66, it's just these clicks now and then. Any ideas? Frankly it doesn't seem to be wrong rather misconfigured, after all the checks I did. Could this be just the driver or should I be worried (again) that my system is not OK (in which case I would trash the mobo and give up on its current hardware... the again all should be alright now) Please reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you, and best regards. Dan -- Ricin Radio! http://stations.mp3s.com/stations/180/ricin_radio.html __ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
Quite OT, problems with AOpen DX34 Plus motherboard and disks being trashed
I thought, since I run FreeBSD on this particular server box, I might try posting here also. Sorry about length of post but it still doesn't have all info I could deliver as it is. As posted on motherboard.org forum: -- Hi. I could really use some advice here. The mobo has two PIII-800s, onboard Adaptec scsi controller, Via chipset. Was using 2 identical Seagate Barracuda 18 GB disks with software RAID1. OS: FreeBSD 4.6. When referring to first disk: this is the one I boot the OS off. Now to the horror story... After approx. 1.5 years of running virtually 24/7 my first SCSI disk got read and write errors, and upon rescanning it would have disappeared from the chain. Upon rebooting the same would re-occur after non-equal but overall increasingly shorter periods. In the end: hours. Occasionally the drive wouldn't be seen by SCSI BIOS at all. The other one (at the same chain) would. First thought: drive is dying. However when using Seagate's diagnostic boot disk the drive would either not show up, or it would and if it did it passed all tests. Second thought: try other disk anyway. Because I want to keep working with a mirrored configuration I got two new identical disks, ATA this time (WD, 20GB) with a new and short ATA100 cable. Dumped my data and OS from the second SCSI drive and recreated configuration. Incidentally, once I had everything running, I could mount the other (supposedly faulty) SCSI disk and read/write just fine. Within days though, the second ATA disk started to show the same problems as my former first SCSI disk did earlier. Again upon rebooting it would work again but not very long. Incidentally clicking noises. Not good! Third thought: bad power supply. From what I've read, opinions on this vary, but I came across enough posts in mailing lists archives (FreeBSD's and some others) indicating that a bad supply can do a lot of damage. So I got me top knotch Antec power supply and tossed the old one out. Connected system fan to it and things seemed fine. At least the box was a lot less noisy (the power supply itself has not one but two fans also of itself effectively pushing the warm air out of the server enclosure plus it can regulate system fan speed when needed). However, within a day or two my system logs again showed read errors. And more ticking and clicking. Outch. Fourth thought: check temperature, voltages, airflow, etc. Actually, I ahve been looking at operational variables like these all along. With the new power supply, mobo temp would go to some 35 degrees celcius, with the old one up to 39. Not too much. As for voltages, well, they looked normal, except that the -12V would always be close to -17. I am not sure if this is wrong, AFAIK it has always been like that. It certainly didn't change when I replaced the power supply. Also, none of the disks ever appeared to become very warm. Fifth thought, perhaps getting more far fetched: for some reason, the offending disk always seemed to be the one physically located at the bottom of the 5.25 cage. I probably need to explain what this thing looks like: The cage can be taken out of the server enclosure wholly, it holds the CDROM, and one can screw up to five 3.5 devices around it. The most logical place to start is using the positions under the CDROM drive and to make them fit one has to use the metal (I think copper) strips on both sides screwed into the harddisks and into the cage. These came with the machine and were indeed used to hold the harddisks. Other places to put additional disks are on top and on both sides of the cage forming kind of a cube altogether. Yes, I have made VERY sure that the disk at the bottom is not touching another disk, neither does it touch the underside of the cage or the enclosure. The things is, a ticking ATA disk is often caused by too low voltage which wears it out quickly, as far as I've understood. Could I be having some problem with grounding? And where then, how could this have suddenly started? Otherwise, well, I can't think of anything else than to replace the mobo. Can a damaged mobo lead to problems as described above? It would have to happen somewhere upstream from the ATA/SCSI controllers then. In short, I'm really stumped on this! Last time I tried to power up the damn thing all it did was click, it didn't even get to post, let alone boot :( I'm very reluctant to keep on trying and testing because in the meantime chances are my disks will deteriorate further (I suspect the ATA drive is already toast). Any ideas, recommendations, experiences that might help me?? Thanks a ton for even reading this long post. __ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
Re: missing /dev/bktr etc on FreeBSD-5.3-STABLE
On Tuesday 25 January 2005 02:34, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'm trying to make my TV-card work on my box, using FBSD-5.3-STABLE. For this I put the following lines in my Kernel config. file: devicebktr deviceiicbus deviceiicbb devicesmbus compiled the new kernel, installed it and rebooted. But dmesg shows nothing corresponding to these lines nor are the devices present in /dev/ Can anybody give me an idea how to get to problem solved ?? Responses are very apreciated. I have this in my /etc/devfs.conf: permcd0 0660 permcd1 0660 permda0s1 0660 permda1s1 0660 permxpt00660 permxpt10660 permpass0 0660 permpass1 0660 permpass2 0660 permpass3 0660 permlpt00660 permbktr0 0660 permtuner0 0660 permcuaa0 0660 Everyting up to lpt is for using atacam functionality (e.g. CD burning). Bktr and tuner are for the capture card (I have an old Miro Bt848). And the /boot/loader.conf has: sound_load=YES snd_emu10k1_load=YES nvidia_load=YES bktr_load=YES linux_load=YES So here I load the bktr module upon booting. I don't use any special kernel config for bktr (I have other options for other hardware). As far as detecting your card, try pciconf -l or -lv. Also dmesg can show you what it has detected and done so far. My card because it's so old needs some PnP probing but even that works. Kldstat shows which modules are loaded. HTH Dan Regards, Carlo. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: fdisk/bsdlabel: cannot write to disk
On Tuesday 25 January 2005 08:51, Norbert Koch wrote: Hello. I am rather new to FBSD5.3. I did a custom install leaving some room on my (ata) hard disks. Later I decided to create a separate /usr/obj partition. I started /stand/sysinstall and tried to create a new slice and a new partition in it. Sysinstall reported that it cannot write to the hard disk. Next I only tried to create a new partition inside an existing slice. The same again. I tried the same manually with fdisk/bsdlabel and the same happens. I tried it in single user mode and even booted FREESBIE. Always the same problem. Was it mounted? HTH, Dan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ssh default security risc
On Friday 4 February 2005 02:59, Gert Cuykens wrote: the engine to start. Enabeling the ssh root is like having the remote car key that opens every door at once so you can get in to kick his butt :) You're overseeing one crucial thing. The attacker isn't really interested in any user account (that would merely be a means) she's interested in the root account (that would be the price). Enabling ssh login through root even though it goes through another port than 22 or even a static ssh program with some weird predefined account (call it toor ;-) nonetheless it opens a direct entry to the root account. Which wouldn't have been there otherwise. I've seen quite a few wizz bang admins at ISPs do just that. They think they can outsmart the attacker. Usually they won't. Sure they can bruteforce a user account which does have ssh access also, but they're still one step ahead (and a good password policy is a big hurdle there). And is that user part of the wheel group (e.g. an admin)? If she ain't the attacker is now two steps behind. You also should note that rooted == rooted. All is over by then. Your box is completely unreliable. E.g. if an attacker can get physical access forget it, assume he's in and everywhere. Security is about layers and in the best case totally different context and access rights and what have you between those layers. Dan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mplayer vs xine
On Saturday 5 February 2005 02:50, Rob wrote: Jacob S wrote: I like mplayer for cli stuff and xine for gui. Mainly because the cli stuff I do is downloading and converting streams from wma/rm to wav/ogg/mp3, etc. and I use the gui for watching videos and such. How do you convert realmedia to other formats with mplayer? Or maybe first: how do you play realmedia streams with mplayer? I have installed: mplayer-gtk2-0.99.5_6 linux-realplayer-10.0.2_1 win32-codecs-2.1.0.p5,1 I can't play realplay streams with mplayer. When I do: mplayer -vo x11 rtsp://some.site.com/movie.rm; I get lots of output in my terminal, among wich I see: Opening video decoder: [realvid] RealVideo decoder opening shared obj '/usr/local/lib/win32/drv4.so.6.0' Error: Shared object libc.so.6 not found, required by drv4.so.6.0 opening win32 dll 'drv4.so.6.0' But libc.so.6 is in /usr/compat/linux/lib. Hmm, why is that not found? I then did ldconfig -m /usr/compat/linux/lib That helped. I started mplayer again, but then mplayer crashed, as follows: [...snip...] == Opening audio decoder: [realaud] RealAudio decoder opening shared obj '/usr/local/lib/win32/cook.so.6.0' MPlayer interrupted by signal 10 in module: init_audio_codec - MPlayer crashed. This shouldn't happen. It can be a bug in the MPlayer code _or_ in your drivers _or_ in your gcc version. If you think it's MPlayer's fault, please read DOCS/HTML/en/bugreports.html and follow the instructions there. We can't and won't help unless you provide this information when reporting a possible bug. == Any idea why I've got such problems with mplayer and real video streams? I never gotten it to work either, a few of the codecs do -- I think the win32 only ones, but not the Unix ones from linux-realplayer. I'm sure mplayer/xine being natively compiled while the real codecs are mostly linux libraries via compat must be the problem. If someone wants to fix this, do look at what NetBSD does. They have a seperate real codecs package for it, I'm not sure what they do but their mplayer/xine do work with the rv1 to 4 codecs, and no errors about cook and all. Dan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mplayer vs xine
On Monday 7 February 2005 04:39, Gert Cuykens wrote: I installed them both and mplayer definitely rules it works excellent with the oss driver and i can setup my surround exactly as i want directing channels and it doesnt crashes playing a mp3 file :) And with Real Media codecs? Dan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
How to package up (all) installed ports
What would be a good way to create binary packages of all/most of my currently installed ports (without rebuilding as make package does)? I want to move my entire setup to another disk (array) and like to get rid of any acumulated junk in the process so best would be to get packages from my current system, make world and kernel on the new disk (array) and then install the packages or vice versa. Would save a few days of compiling. Thanks, Dan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Recomendations for Video Capture Cards
Since no one else seems to have replied... On Wednesday 16 February 2005 22:36, Jasvinder S. Bahra wrote: Hi all, I've recently had a PC become available, and I would like to set it up as a kind of video recorder. I would like to purchase a card of some sort that would allow me to connect the PC to my TV, and record television programmes on the hard-drive. The reverse also - playing back the recording, and viewing it on the TV. Now, i've done a little research, and I understand that FreeBSD provides support for PCI-based TV cards using a Brooktree Bt848/849/878/879 or a Conexant CN-878/Fusion 878a Video Capture Chip with the bktr(4) driver. Does anyone have any recomendations on a video capture card that would be suitable? Anything Brooktree, which are most PCI cards, e.g. WinTV, Miro, Pinnacle, but also the more expensive ones like osprey. Do make sure to put the card in a PCI slot where it has sufficient ventilation. The tuner unit can get very warm. I have had a WinTV card that apparently had caught on fire a few years ago (I remember smelling something funny...). IMHO the bad thing is that we basically only have one driver for TV cards, the good things are that it works very well (try video4linux, then bktr and see) and that the vast majority of TV cards have a bktr chip. I'm using an old Miro-Bt848 card now. It does freeze everything sometimes (if I could switch to a console it would show a panic), e.g. when changing input sources quickly, I think when it's reinitialized too fast, but I've seen the same happen on Linux and Windows. Bad firmware that never got updated would be my guess. Also, I always found that your tossed aside VCR cam plugged into the V-in of a framegrabber card makes a great webcam as well. We have a few working TV apps, the best arguably being Fxtv which is especially written for the bktr driver. It works well but looks a bit outdated. As for more modern apps, KDETV is not ported yet (I've looked at it; a porter would basically have to either create an interface to our framegrabber/tuner/audio devices that mimics v4l or v4l2 or/and rewrite a lot of the other code to use FreeBSD's ioctls and other provisions instead -- both are doable but not trivial) and neither is Gnome's equivalent AFAIK. We don't have anything canned-in specifically for either Gnome or KDE at the time for TV viewing. You can use (k)mplayer as a TV renderer though. If you use KDE: I've been experimenting a bit with using kmplayer's dcop functions to change the channel/frequency while running kmplayer with TV input and it seems to have some potential. That's all I can tell about TV cards. HTH, Dan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Recomendations for Video Capture Cards
Forgot one thing... I would like to purchase a card of some sort that would allow me to connect the PC to my TV, and record television programmes on the hard-drive. The Most normal VGA cards now have a TV outlet, you could use that while playing the video full screen in X or SVGA. Never done it myself, but I'd say you'd have to set up X for TV-ish horizontal and vertical frequencies (low). Dan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to package up (all) installed ports
On Friday 18 February 2005 02:17, you wrote:
#!/bin/sh
# Shell script to create packages of all the ports installed in the system.
# Usage: 'sh package-ports.sh'
# Will create the packages in the current directory.
PORTS=`pkg_info | awk '{print $1}'` # Filter the description.
NUM_PORTS=`echo $PORTS | awk 'END {print NR}'`
BZIP=-j # Use bzip2 instead of gzip.
PKGCMD=pkg_create $BZIP -b# Command to create package.
echo Packaging $NUM_PORTS ports
# Process one port at time.
for PORT in $PORTS
do
echo Packaging port \$PORT\
$PKGCMD $PORT
done
echo Done
exit 0
I like it. Thank you!
Dan
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Re: STB2 BT878 - sound works under Windows XP and btwincap, doesn't with bktr
On Monday 7 March 2005 02:35, tweek wrote: I have an STB2 bt878 card, purchased for $12 on eBay. It works great under XP with btwincap, with or without an analog audio cable that runs from the card to my soundcard. In FreeBSD with a kernel compiled with bktr support, I can see video clearly with fxtv (http://tweek.no-ip.org/stuff/hockey.png) but can't hear anything. (Tried both audio internal and audio auto modes.) None of the mixers are muted; sound works. Here's some relevant lines from my dmesg: bktr0: BrookTree 878 mem 0xd0001000-0xd0001fff irq 11 at device 14.0 on pci0 bktr0: [GIANT-LOCKED] bktr0: STB TV/PCI, Philips FR1236 NTSC FM tuner, dbx stereo. pci0: multimedia at device 14.1 (no driver attached) pcm0: Creative CT5880-C port 0x1040-0x107f irq 5 at device 15.0 on pci0 pcm0: SigmaTel STAC9721/23 AC97 Codec pcm0: [GIANT-LOCKED] ... and some relevant lines from my kernel: device joy device bktr device iicbus device iicbb device iicsmb device smbus options BROOKTREE_SYSTEM_DEFAULT=BROOKTREE_NTSC options OVERRIDE_CARD=3 options OVERRIDE_TUNER=9 options BKTR_NEW_MSP34XX_DRIVER device sio device sound device snd_es137x Though msp34xxx sound should be able to work (that is via the tuner) most people (/me too) resort to connecting the TV card's cound-out to one of the soundcard's line-in inlets. I'd recommend this. Tuning channels/frequencies should change the picture as well as the sound. You'd use auto for audio in fxtv and use your mixer to adjust the level. HTH, Dan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: wow ! 5.3 - 5.4 -
On Sunday 20 March 2005 23:19, Alex D'Elia wrote: Hello dear people @ freebsd something wonderfull ( at least in my case ) happened since the last update of the base system on a sony vaio laptop ( CPU: Intel Pentium III (694.84-MHz 686-class CPU) ) before, when the machine was compiling, it was getting at 82 degrees with 100% CPU now, with 100% CPU it gets at maximum 52 degrees. what happened between 5.3 and 5.4-PRERELEASE ? thanks alot, alex Well, obviously it got a lot cooler :) And 5.5 will have software CPU cooling. Seriously: I don't know the cause, could be anything. I wouldn't jump to conclusions about 5.3 - 5.4. Interesting observation though. Dan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: sFTP nologin
I experimented with this quite a while ago (~ 2001) and don't remember all the details, but I used scponly and had to prevent the Welcome to FreeBSD... text from being shown. That was the message too long problem IIRC. It worked with at least WinSCP and gFTP as clients. You could also consider pulling an stunnel over ordinary ftpd and have no shh access at all except for people who need or are granted shell access. It's not hard to set up, you basically deal with it as if it were a proxy. HTH, Dan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Recommendations for All-in-One device?
On Saturday 19 March 2005 13:29, Brian J. McGovern wrote: I'm currently in the market for an All-in-One device for the home network, mostly for the fax functionality (it'll be replacing an Canon scanner and Okidata 810e laser printer). Before anyone suggests their favorite FreeBSD Fax modem/app, I'll let it be known that I've been told that the expectation is that we'll have a normal looking/working fax machine for the house ;) I've searched the mailing lists for All-in-One, and tried searches on printers, scanners, copiers, and faxes individually with no real good hits. I'm somewhat curious about the HPs, but wanted to get people's experiences with different devices, and what works/doesn't work with FreeBSD. A bit late, but I remembered seeing this question when I was just about to start setting up our Officejet replacement: a HP photosmart 2610 all-in-one. We're using it as a network printer/scanner now, it's not connected through USB to one box but it can be. It has stand alone fax and scan/copy capability. Setup was easy: Install the hpoj and hpijs ports, and cups and sane. I used the cups web interface (and the info provided with hpoj or from linuxprinting) to set it up (as a client this time, not as a server which it was before when the old OfficeJet was connected to this box with a parralel cable). Url/Device is a socket: without hpoj/hpijs, with hpoj its a ptal device. In the Driver section you should be able to pick your HP model. That should be all. With KDE I can now print to it (as network printer via ptal), scan from it with Kooka (via ptal via gphoto), and I'm sure faxing will also work. Stand-alone you can just use the flatbed scanner for input, and the printer tray for output. This is an inkjet, with laserjet printing you may not need or want hpijs but I think you probably would anyway. It looks like an officejet only smaller and a bit slicker. It also supports CF and other cards (from cameras), the ptal driver (and the windows version) should present those as local scsi disks, but I haven't really sorted that out yet. The printing/scanning quality is great. The hpijs and hpoj come from HP BTW. The thing cost us ~ 340 Euro's, which would be ~ 450 USD. I wanted a network capable printer (it has its own console but also a web interface), it's just easier to use in a network. If it lasts as long as the officejet (I think ~ 7 years) its worth the buck I guess. HTH, Dan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Recommendations for All-in-One device?
s/gphoto/sane/ Duh :) On Sunday 27 March 2005 00:53, Danny Pansters wrote: On Saturday 19 March 2005 13:29, Brian J. McGovern wrote: I'm currently in the market for an All-in-One device for the home network, mostly for the fax functionality (it'll be replacing an Canon scanner and Okidata 810e laser printer). Before anyone suggests their favorite FreeBSD Fax modem/app, I'll let it be known that I've been told that the expectation is that we'll have a normal looking/working fax machine for the house ;) I've searched the mailing lists for All-in-One, and tried searches on printers, scanners, copiers, and faxes individually with no real good hits. I'm somewhat curious about the HPs, but wanted to get people's experiences with different devices, and what works/doesn't work with FreeBSD. A bit late, but I remembered seeing this question when I was just about to start setting up our Officejet replacement: a HP photosmart 2610 all-in-one. We're using it as a network printer/scanner now, it's not connected through USB to one box but it can be. It has stand alone fax and scan/copy capability. Setup was easy: Install the hpoj and hpijs ports, and cups and sane. I used the cups web interface (and the info provided with hpoj or from linuxprinting) to set it up (as a client this time, not as a server which it was before when the old OfficeJet was connected to this box with a parralel cable). Url/Device is a socket: without hpoj/hpijs, with hpoj its a ptal device. In the Driver section you should be able to pick your HP model. That should be all. With KDE I can now print to it (as network printer via ptal), scan from it with Kooka (via ptal via gphoto), and I'm sure faxing will also work. Stand-alone you can just use the flatbed scanner for input, and the printer tray for output. This is an inkjet, with laserjet printing you may not need or want hpijs but I think you probably would anyway. It looks like an officejet only smaller and a bit slicker. It also supports CF and other cards (from cameras), the ptal driver (and the windows version) should present those as local scsi disks, but I haven't really sorted that out yet. The printing/scanning quality is great. The hpijs and hpoj come from HP BTW. The thing cost us ~ 340 Euro's, which would be ~ 450 USD. I wanted a network capable printer (it has its own console but also a web interface), it's just easier to use in a network. If it lasts as long as the officejet (I think ~ 7 years) its worth the buck I guess. HTH, Dan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
How to get send-pr/porttools working when on a cable (dsl) provider link
Hi all, Just migrated all my stuff to a new machine and having troubles sending any mail to the freebsd lists and inparticular with send-pr. I have a cable modem connected to my gateway which connects to a gbit switch through which the other pcs connect. The cable provider uses dhcp. I get my IP ok and my hostname (sent through dhclient also, otherwise logging on doesn't work) is [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have set up pf to do nat and filtering. It's not a firewall problem. I'm having problems getting sendmail (from my desktp -- a client behind the gateway) to be eligible to send mail to the freebsd servers, particularly send-pr. I already set my isp's smtp as smart relay in freensd.mc and did make, but now my FQDN hostname is not considered cosher (helo)... its desktop.homenet, a local name. How do I solve this? (also...contrast this inconvenience with every non-subscribed spammer being able to spam us if she has a colo set up properly...) Thanks very much, Dan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fwd: How to get send-pr/porttools working when on a cable (dsl) provider link
That's host cp464173-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl minus danny@ -- sorry, mis-paste :) -- Forwarded Message -- Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: (qmail 40439 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2005 03:00:44 - Received: from slime.mail.vuurwerk.net (62.250.3.103) by in1.mail.vuurwerk.net with SMTP; 28 Mar 2005 03:00:44 - Received: (qmail 11744 invoked by uid 85); 28 Mar 2005 03:00:44 - Received: (vexira-qq 11736-D87B52E8 invoked from network) 28 Mar 2005 05:00:44 +0200 Received: from as-1.mail.vuurwerk.net (62.250.3.90) by slime.mail.vuurwerk.net with SMTP; 28 Mar 2005 03:00:44 - Received: from mx2.freebsd.org ([216.136.204.119]) by as-1.mail.vuurwerk.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43 (FreeBSD)) id 1DFkUe-000AGX-BW for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 05:00:44 +0200 Received: from hub.freebsd.org (hub.freebsd.org [216.136.204.18]) by mx2.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77D36563FE; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 03:00:30 + (GMT) (envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Received: from hub.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38ED516A4D4; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 03:00:29 + (GMT) Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2932616A4CE; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 03:00:25 + (GMT) Received: from smtpq1.home.nl (smtpq1.home.nl [213.51.128.196]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2916F43D39; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 03:00:24 + (GMT) (envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Received: from [213.51.128.135] (port=49465 helo=smtp4.home.nl) by smtpq1.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DFkUI-0001KS-LU; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 05:00:22 +0200 Received: from cp464173-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([84.27.215.228]:57289 helo=desktop.homenet) by smtp4.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DFkUH-0006my-4v; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 05:00:21 +0200 Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Danny Pansters [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 05:00:15 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] for more information X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Subject: How to get send-pr/porttools working when on a cable (dsl) provider link X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD freebsd-ports.freebsd.org List-Unsubscribe: http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ports List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Versatel-Spam-DNSBL: NO X-Versatel-Spam-DNSBL-Info: Mail filtered by Versatel DNSBL system X-AntiVirus: checked by Vexira MailArmor (version: 2.0.2-2; VAE: 6.30.0.2; VDF: 6.30.0.50; host: slime.mail.vuurwerk.net) Status: R X-Status: NC X-KMail-EncryptionState: X-KMail-SignatureState: X-KMail-MDN-Sent: Hi all, Just migrated all my stuff to a new machine and having troubles sending any mail to the freebsd lists and inparticular with send-pr. I have a cable modem connected to my gateway which connects to a gbit switch through which the other pcs connect. The cable provider uses dhcp. I get my IP ok and my hostname (sent through dhclient also, otherwise logging on doesn't work) is [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have set up pf to do nat and filtering. It's not a firewall problem. I'm having problems getting sendmail (from my desktp -- a client behind the gateway) to be eligible to send mail to the freebsd servers, particularly send-pr. I already set my isp's smtp as smart relay in freensd.mc and did make, but now my FQDN hostname is not considered cosher (helo)... its desktop.homenet, a local name. How do I solve this? (also...contrast this inconvenience with every non-subscribed spammer being able to spam us if she has a colo set up properly...) Thanks very much, Dan ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to get send-pr/porttools working when on a cable (dsl)provider link -- Thanks
On Monday 28 March 2005 17:25, you wrote:
On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 10:49:47 +0200
Florent Thoumie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Danny Pansters a écrit :
I already set my isp's smtp as smart relay in freensd.mc and did make,
but now my FQDN hostname is not considered cosher (helo)... its
desktop.homenet, a local name.
How do I solve this?
(also...contrast this inconvenience with every non-subscribed spammer
being able to spam us if she has a colo set up properly...)
You might want to use ssmtp. Since you're using your ISP's smtp
server to send mail, there should be no problem if you don't
have a FQDN hostname.
A very simple and complicated HOWTO :)
http://www.cultdeadsheep.org/~clement/FreeBSD/send-pr+ssmtp.txt
clem
This is an excellent solution, much better than what I did before. I was
actually editing the sendmail .cf file to change my FQDN and address. Messy.
I can simply use my regular email address @ricin.com (at a hosting provider)
too now. Both send-pr and porttools need a slight modification to also take
the preferred email adress from .ssmtprc. To have the right from and be
also recognised as maintainer by porttools something like this will do:
--- cmd_submit.orig Tue Mar 29 00:10:35 2005
+++ cmd_submit Tue Mar 29 00:36:17 2005
@@ -70,6 +70,11 @@
COMMITTER=no
RUN_PORTLINT=yes
+# Set EMAIL to what's in ~/.ssmtprc if it exists
+if [ -f ${HOME}/.ssmtprc ]; then
+ EMAIL=`cat ${HOME}/.ssmtprc`
+fi
+
# Parse command line arguments
ARGS=`/usr/bin/getopt hm:d:s:p:cL $*`
if [ $? != 0 ]
Thanks a lot, sane solution with little effort, just the way I like it :)
Dan
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Re: How to get send-pr/porttools working when on a cable (dsl)provider link -- Thanks
One more remark (for the archives):
if using mailwrapper, change /etc/mail/mailer.conf to
have /usr/local/sbin/ssmtp as the sendmail (and other) program.
Then restart /etc/rc.d/sendmail
Dan
On Tuesday 29 March 2005 00:56, Danny Pansters wrote:
On Monday 28 March 2005 17:25, you wrote:
On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 10:49:47 +0200
Florent Thoumie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Danny Pansters a écrit :
I already set my isp's smtp as smart relay in freensd.mc and did
make, but now my FQDN hostname is not considered cosher (helo)... its
desktop.homenet, a local name.
How do I solve this?
(also...contrast this inconvenience with every non-subscribed spammer
being able to spam us if she has a colo set up properly...)
You might want to use ssmtp. Since you're using your ISP's smtp
server to send mail, there should be no problem if you don't
have a FQDN hostname.
A very simple and complicated HOWTO :)
http://www.cultdeadsheep.org/~clement/FreeBSD/send-pr+ssmtp.txt
clem
This is an excellent solution, much better than what I did before. I was
actually editing the sendmail .cf file to change my FQDN and address.
Messy.
I can simply use my regular email address @ricin.com (at a hosting
provider) too now. Both send-pr and porttools need a slight modification to
also take the preferred email adress from .ssmtprc. To have the right
from and be also recognised as maintainer by porttools something like
this will do:
--- cmd_submit.orig Tue Mar 29 00:10:35 2005
+++ cmd_submit Tue Mar 29 00:36:17 2005
@@ -70,6 +70,11 @@
COMMITTER=no
RUN_PORTLINT=yes
+# Set EMAIL to what's in ~/.ssmtprc if it exists
+if [ -f ${HOME}/.ssmtprc ]; then
+ EMAIL=`cat ${HOME}/.ssmtprc`
+fi
+
# Parse command line arguments
ARGS=`/usr/bin/getopt hm:d:s:p:cL $*`
if [ $? != 0 ]
Thanks a lot, sane solution with little effort, just the way I like it :)
Dan
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Re: Max files in unix folder from PIL process
On Tuesday 29 March 2005 03:25, David Pratt wrote: Hi. I am creating a python application that uses PIL to generate thumbnails and sized images. It is beginning to look the volume of images will be large. This has got me to thinking. Is there a number that Unix can handle in a single directory. I am using FreeBSD4.x at the moment. I am thinking the number could be as high 500,000 images in a single directory but more likely in the range of 6,000 to 30,000 for most. I did not want to store these in Postgres. I will most likely to break these into directories by size ie. thumbnail, small, medium, large, etc. . That will at least take it down by a factor of the number of sizes used but still the possibility of a very large number (maximum to perhaps 100,000 or more) There is really no other way that I can think of to categorize these at the moment. Should this pose a problem on the filesystem? How will it affect the use of Unix tools? Will there be access problems that affect speed? This is unchartered territory for me so hope someone who has been there, done that can provide some of what they learned from experience. Many thanks. I'd say hardcode a split-up at about ~5000 images per dir and renice if needed. Test with python whether reading one huge dir or reading and concatting several smaller (say 5000 files) dirs works better. Apparantly you got the pr0n, err, data, .. so you're in a position to test just what you're wondering about. If you want speed, stay away from databases/sql I think. I only have experience with my own pr0n, err, data, and its far less than what you want to deal with (pil works great though). My EUR 0.02 Dan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Meaning of repo-copy
Quick question: Repo copy means that a current port or piece of src is being renamed, probably with other changes or a split-out of parts that become new ports or contribs. Should be seen in the context of CVS. Do I grasp this correctly? Thanks, Dan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FW: dmesg -a lines' explanation? NEWBIE
/etc/devfs.conf:permxpt00666#permissions are set properly at
boot
... which is still largely un-intelligible to me, at the moment. and which
co-incides, oddly enough, with the moment at which i have to leave for
work! dang! so i'll have to take another google around, later tonight...
perm means permissions are being set, xpt0 is the device ('ls /dev') 0666 are
the permissions. 4=read-only, 5=readable-and-executable, 6=readable-writable,
7=readable-writable-executable. See 'man chmod'. The first (the zero) is for
special settings, they don't matter now, the first 6 means that 6 is the
permission for the owner of the file, the second for the group (in which the
owner normally resides) and the third for others, outsiders. others might
be pseudo-users that the system uses to run certain services as (they can't
log into a shell, it's a safety measure) but if one of those got broken into
you wouldn't want them to be able to access your devices so easily. So turn
the last 6 into a 0.
If you can't use your CD burner or other device that needs write access to xpt
after that, do the sane thing and add your normal user account to the group
to which your device or the ones working with it belong. For scsi-emulated
cd's (cd/dvd writing) through atapicam that would be the operator group.
Edit /etc/group to have operator:*:5:root,you instead of operator:*:5:root.
Much safer and more convenient to do it this way: Have preferenced groups and
add preferenced users to that group, instead of making every device readable
and writeable to every nobody. Same strategy should be followed with dvd's,
removable devices, tv cards, etc, anything that might require writing to the
device by an ordinary but privileged user (you).
Devfs is a lot better than the static devices we had before (4.X and before)
where all possible devices (when supported in the kernel or with modules) had
to be hardcoded whether they were really present or not.
grep's command line can be made to look less scary like:
grep options search string filename
yes. that helps. i did sort of think of it in those terms.
or grep -ri something /etc/* which searches recursively, and ignores
What you did when you didnt tell grep what file to use for input was
FWIW, I have a great preference for using grep after a pipe, I get confused by
its options also so I tend to avoid them (except -v), e.g
cat file | awk { something } | sed s/something/something_else/g | grep keyword
That kind of thing. But it's a matter of taste and familiarality with grep I
guess.
I'm pretty sure that searching google a little bit can help you with
UNIX basics.
there is a lot of stuff out there, i agree. making sense of it's another
story
though.
Look into tools and learn the few that for some reason appeal to you. Learn
some inside out and others briefly. There's many ways to Rome you know...
just get aquainted with enough tools so that you have your easy (well known)
preferences and know enough about some others to be able to rudimentally use
them. IMHO that should be enough to get by.
For general tricks and tips search for general unix/shell/sh/bash/csh how-to's
and console tips. The book Unix Power Tools is a great resource also, though
today I'd recommend to just google with the right terms.
HTH,
Dan
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Windows question :) SFU, nfsclient
My partner uses a winxp box on my local net (behind a FreeBSD box who acts as gateway/firewall in front of out gbit switch). Now, we were wanting to upgrade the gateway box with two gigabit NICs and we did but the hard disk died (oh well it was 6 years old as is the box and mobo). I made a new system on another disk and set up pf and so on and everything works swell. In the old situation I had an NFS share for my desktop and other *NIX boxes and a samba share (server on the gateway, not on th windows box) as well. Having to reconfigure anyway, I decided to see if I could have the windows box be an nfs client. With the Services For Unix it does just that. So I installed it and mounted the gateway:/pub NFS share. Currently (it's -maproot) I can write to it from my desktop box as root or as my UID if I make a directory owned by my UID. I could do the same for the win box user using a passwordless and shell-less account on the gateway box for it. Everything works great so far, except that on startup of winxp there's a warning dialog that tells us to either have passwd and group files installed or use nis. I don't want either, but for the forner I guess I could use emtp or bogus (but correctly formatted files). But where would I put those and how are they supposed to be named? (I reckon passd m,eans our master.passwd syntax, not shadow) There must be some win2k/2k3/xp buff who knows this. Anthony? As an aside: seems like MS killed or is killing quite a few middleware companies with their SFU (from interix, isn't that ultimately SCO? ;-) Thanks, Dan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Meaning of repo-copy
On Wednesday 30 March 2005 04:11, Lowell Gilbert wrote: Danny Pansters [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Quick question: Repo copy means that a current port or piece of src is being renamed, probably with other changes or a split-out of parts that become new ports or contribs. Should be seen in the context of CVS. Do I grasp this correctly? More or less. You might be interested in the FAQ entry titled What is a repo-copy?. OK, yes that's clear. I missed that FAQ of course :) And since we work (usually) through committers we have to request a repo-copy sometimes or (s)he has to do it on their own judgement. Thanks! Dan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: x server
On Wednesday 30 March 2005 04:42, Gert Cuykens wrote: Why does x server always use a avarage of 1% cpu time while i am doing nothing ? Everything els is 0% except x and enlightenment ? Probably the load of showing content or waiting for input, and the like. X is big. It also uses a lot (if possible an awful lot) of memory. Showing graphics can be a complicated thing which can require the cpu to do some work now and then (think placement, repainting, frequency locking, and so on and having to wait for those and catch the signals if they change). If I would have my TV viewer running (kmplayer) and do nothing for an extended period of time I bet it would show a lot more cpu than 1% still. Same with websites that use heavy and/or broken javascripts or flash. Can yank up cpu easily even for common tasks. I have a brand new oven (thats an intel mobo with a 3.4 GHz processor) and it gets a lot more noisy (fans spinning faster) when making world (in 35 minutes) or playing a dvd or a low bandwidth encoded mediastream in (k)mplayer. Anything that makes the cpu really have to work. Besides, the optimal cpu time used for any process is 100% as they all compete for cpu bandwidth (if the system would be under duress). So basically your system is doing great and is not overloaded at all. It's gravely underused one might argue ;-) HTH, Dan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to find needed modules for rebuilding kernel
On Thursday 31 March 2005 19:43, Pat Maddox wrote: In rebuilding a kernel, how do you know exactly what modules you need? The Handbook is a good start, and a lot of them are obvious (i.e. if I have no SCSI disks, disable all SCSI modules). Others aren't so easy, particularly serial devices, and the pseudo devices. How can I find out exactly what I need to enable, so I can make the kernel as tight as possible? Modules are not your concern, they get built anyway (or mostly .. not sure but probably not each and every possible module gets built). The idea is that if you for example need support for a new soundcard, you can just load the module (loader.conf) without needing to recompile the kernel. On an IDE/ATA system I generally turn down the scsi delay (I always do) and remove: - all scsi raid cards and support - all ethernet cards, both pci/isa and usb except the one(s) I have (most can be loaded as a module also); beware whether it needs mii too - from the pseudo devices ppp/tun/slip as I'm connected via ethernet (cable) sometimes I disable ipv6 and gif/faith, sometimes I don't - all CPUs except the one you actually have (performance!) I also remove most scsi support but beware that cdrecord (atapicam) requires the basic scsi devices, as does umass (camera's, cf fards, usb scanners, ..). Generally unless you need to _add_ something to your kernel you don't really need to stray from GENERIC at all. If you want to have a kernel at least tuned for your CPU and without a lot of stuff you don't have anyway, do the above). But depending on the purpose of the box you can strip out quite a lot. Check NOTES, both in /usr/src/sys/conf and /usr/src/sys/yourarch/conf. (on FreeBSD4 that is LINT). Also most if not all drivers and devices have manual pages and from the synopsis you can see which other devices or options come with them. HTH, Dan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to find needed modules for rebuilding kernel
On Friday 01 April 2005 00:45, Pat Maddox wrote: Thanks for the info. My terminology is off...apparently what I really meant is I'm wondering what drivers I need to compile into the kernel. I've done what you've suggested - removed SCSI support, all of the NIC drivers besides the one I need, etc. I'm just wondering how I can find out EXACTLY what I need in there, so I can have as little as possible. It's a server, so it has a pretty narrow purpose, and I'd like to keep the kernel as small and fast as I can. Surely it's not going to run out of memory or disk space any time soon with a few kB more or less for the kernel. Like I said there _is_ documentation ranging from abundant to sparce to terse to the plain source. The latter is to be taken literally... some things are only documented in the sources, if you're lucky in a line of normal text in a header file (e.g. with device drivers). Reading NOTES would be a start. But I'd like to caution you not to put too much efford in this. The point is you only need to go that far if really needed, and I'm quite sure it's not. It would hardly matter. If you want to do it the hard way, well then see the above for the hard way :) You might be more interested in tuning(7) and the various device.hints to get the most out of your hardware. The smallest size/footprint kernel used to be a common issue when people had small drives, little RAM and had to use floppies. Also, if you want a server that runs well, invest some time into the configuration of your services. Things like maximum files, maximum forks, timeouts, ... Much more likely to appear as troublemakers than a somewhat overweight kernel. Dan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ipmon logging
On Friday 01 April 2005 20:50, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: According to every website I've read so far ipmon uses local0 as the facility name. However, on my FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE-p5 box, it logs to the security facility. The man page (in both 5.2.1 and 5.3) for ipmon, with -s for logging to syslog says, The default facility when compiled and installed is security. Can anyone explain this? I'd like ipmon to log to a separate file so it doesn't fill up the security log. I've tried having ipmon log directly to a file, and not using syslog, but it stops logging when newsyslog rotates the file. Does anyone have any suggestions on what I could or should do? From /etc/defaults/rc.conf: ipmon_flags=-Ds # typically -Ds or -D /var/log/ipflog So use ipmon_flags=-D /var/log/ipmon or so in your /etc/rc.conf. It's sensible to have a seperate ipf logfile. HTH, Dan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FW: dmesg -a lines' explanation? NEWBIE
On Friday 01 April 2005 05:39, David Armour wrote:
hello Danny,
thanks for your help, and sorry for the delay getting back to you.
/etc/devfs.conf:permxpt00666#permissions are set properly
at boot
... i'll have to take another google around, later
perm means permissions are being set, xpt0 is the device ('ls /dev') 0666
are the permissions. 4=read-only, 5=readable-and-executable,
6=readable-writable, 7=readable-writable-executable. See 'man chmod'. The
pretty incredible that i didn't get a chance to actually do any googling
before i had more info than i knew what to do with! for example:
Devfs is a lot better than the static devices we had before (4.X and
before) where all possible devices (when supported in the kernel or with
modules) had to be hardcoded whether they were really present or not.
FWIW, I have a great preference for using grep after a pipe, I get
confused by its options also so I tend to avoid them (except -v), e.g
cat file | awk { something } | sed s/something/something_else/g | grep
keyword
i'm way far away from understanding awk sed. so {something}, in this case
would be {permissions are set properly at boot}? but what's the
sed /something/something_else/g... etc.?
Oh, no, not at all, it was meant as an example. It's about how there's many
ways to search for things in files or replace certain strings in files, etc.
As in: if you're having troubles with options to one tool it's perfectly OK
to avoid it by using another tool and pipe the output from one to the other
( the | ). Be lazy but do it smart :) Sorry if I confused you.
You just needed to edit devfs.conf with any editor you like for setting the
permissions for devices as the thread went.
Look into tools and learn the few that for some reason appeal to you.
Learn some inside out and others briefly. There's many ways to Rome you
know...
seven, as i recall. or was that hills? sono perplesso!
Hills I think, but now I'm doubting if that wasn't Athens :)
For general tricks and tips search for general unix/shell/sh/bash/csh
how-to's and console tips. The book Unix Power Tools is a great resource
i got that one out of the library a few months back, and yes, it was
helpful. i'll google for the how-to's console tips. thanks for the
recommendations!
YW,
Dan
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Re: can i delete /stand ?
snip I am not tampering with it i am modifying it :) You learn allot, just close your eyes sroll trough the / directory and when you say stop open your eyes again and try to move or delete the file. The difference between a good and a bad os is the good one let you get away with it by changing some stuff the bad os well just crashes :) That is by far the most idiotic thing I have ever heard. Name me one OS that allows yoo to pull crap like that and not have issues. Freebsd does so far :) i already moved the /root directory delete some /.hidenfiles and just about to get rit of /stand if Erick tells me my single user mode will still work , and it is only needed by sysinstall. I suggest /sbin now and at a later stage /boot. There's already a /bin, right, who needs an /sbin. Do keep /usr/doc and /usr/share/man for emergencies. Dan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: can i delete /stand ?
On Saturday 02 April 2005 22:24, Chris wrote: Are we to assume you are joking? Yes. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: can i delete /stand ?
On Saturday 02 April 2005 23:19, dick hoogendijk wrote: On Sat, 02 Apr 2005 23:13:11 +0200 Erik Nørgaard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some people like sysinstall as a postconfiguration tool, and documen- tation refers to this. But you can run it from /usr/sbin/sysinstall I can't. Nor have I something like '/rescue/init' -STABLE (5.X) does or should. What used to be /stand is now (sort of) /rescue. If you have 4.X you'll still have /stand. If you updated through cvsup for a long time you might have both. In that case /stand is indeed a leftover. The sysinstall binary was moved to /usr/bin. /rescue is in principle independent of sysinstall. They're statically compiled binaries that can be used in case your (now dynamic, that is linked to libraries residing elsewhere, not with libraries built-in) root is broken or so. You could run, e.g. /rescue/ls. Everything in /rescue is the same statically built binary but they're not the same as the sysinstall binary. With 4.X this was so but not anymore with 5.X. Hope that clarified, Dan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ipflog entries?
On Tuesday 05 April 2005 00:05, Robert Marella wrote: Greetings My daily mail on my firewall (5.3-rel-p4) has always shown many ( 1) blocks by my blocking rule block in quick on em0 from 10.0.0.0/8 to any. Obviously I'm using ipf/ipnat. So, for education, today I enabled log for a short time on that rule. Within a few minutes I logged over twenty attempts from the same address. (Sample below, text attached) 04/04/2005 11:33:41.034653 em0 @0:3 b 10.96.0.1,67 - 255.255.255.255,68 PR udp len 20 337 IN 04/04/2005 11:33:41.973120 em0 @0:3 b 10.96.0.1,67 - 255.255.255.255,68 PR udp len 20 344 IN 04/04/2005 11:33:57.532249 em0 @0:3 b 10.96.0.1,67 - 255.255.255.255,68 PR udp len 20 337 IN 04/04/2005 11:33:58.963415 em0 @0:3 b 10.96.0.1,67 - 255.255.255.255,68 PR udp len 20 344 IN Ports 67 shows dhcps and 68 shows dhcpc in /etc/services. em0 is connected to my roadrunner cable modem. Is the cable modem doing this or is someone spoofing this IP address? Sorry if this has been answered already but I'm kind of new to the firewall stuff. Thank you for your time. Robert It's your cable provider insisting to send you bootps info (for broken windows customers I reckon). Yech that's as if you're some network appliance :) Mine does that too. I just drop/not log them. Whenever your dhclient needs to renew a lease it will connect and if your firewall keeps state on that your ISP's dhcp server has it's lucky moment because for once something may connect back in. Both of you happy. HTH, Dan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: freebsd disc 1
On Tuesday 05 April 2005 00:46, Gert Cuykens wrote: On Apr 4, 2005 9:54 PM, Andrew P. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gert Cuykens wrote: On Apr 4, 2005 12:04 PM, Andrew P. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gert Cuykens wrote: Who do i ask if he / she would like to put this to the distribution list [ ] cvsupdate-nogui Cant we make some user freebsd-voting list were we can vote for changes :) Come to think about it, I kinda miss this option, too. Alrighdy thats 2 votes already :) I say we go to the california and go run in circles holding a cvsup pannel :) BTW, I'd also vote for /etc/rc.d/ftpd script Is the only way to setup a ftp by enabeling inetd ? If so i want a /etc/rc.d/ftpd script too Standard ftpd runs through inetd. PS Does sftp mean sshd + ftpd ? Nope. It's a subsystem of sshd, its client interface only resembles ftp just as scp resembles rcp. Dan (please don't CC me) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Temperature and fan speed on INTEL D925CV2
I have an INTEL D925CV2 baord in my new box. Does anyone know if/how I can get temperature - fan speed - other measurements from it? (No, lmmon does not work) Thanks, Dan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: /etc and /usr/local/etc directories
Chipping in here, because although the answers are (of course!) correct it may clarify a bit... On Friday 13 August 2004 02:40, Bill Moran wrote: Joshua Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have decided to take the plunge and try out 5.2.1. I figure it will be 5.3 soon and I like the idea of upgrading at that time. So I am going to start fiddling with it. The first thing I am noticing is when installing apps from the ports directory my config files are getting put into /usr/local/etc instead of where I am used to /etc. Huh? What version of FreeBSD were you using that put them in /etc? They've always gone in /usr/local/etc ... since 2.2 at least. I am guessing this by design and wanted to confirm this. Yes, it's by design. For system (OS, that's kernel and userland) settings you have /etc For local (packages/ports) settings you have /usr/local/etc or /usr/X11R6/etc Of course these two local bases should have been merely hard linked long ago but that's not my decision :) Is this a config setting somewhere? It is fine in the /usr/local/etc directory but if it is a config setting then perhaps there are other settings that have changed that I have not encountered yet. I would like to read up on the changes. While I am on the subject. Are there any other differences between 4.10 and 5.X that will take me by surprise? Perhaps the way you load modules and the way you pass module parameters to the kernel in the loader. Also, 5.X needs /usr to be mounted because of dynamic root and if building a kernel, LINT has moved to be NOTES and its meaning has changed slightly as well as their locations inside /usr/src/sys. I read through the Release notes on FreeBSD.org and it never mentioned the /etc directory thing. So perhaps there are some other items I should keep my eye out for. This generally isn't anything new compared to 4.X or even before that. The FreeBSD handbook is being updated all the time. You'll probably want to re-read a lot of it to see what kind of changes are occurring. There are also a lot of new man pages in existance. If you have specific questions, you can always ask on this list. I'm sure the $LOCALBASE and $X11BASE thing is discussed in the Handbook or at least the Porters Handbook, yes. Regards, HTH, Dan ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sound driver
On Sunday 23 October 2005 16:26, Teilhard Knight wrote: As far as I can see, the only thing present in my system to make audio adjustments is Kmix. Very simple compared to Alsamixer in Mandriva. It does not have any sort of balance or individual controls for left and right channels, but for example, only slider for volume. It does. Right click on the channel, and you can split them in left and right. The horizontal slider at the bottom is for overall L/R balance also. Dan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Logo
On Tuesday 1 November 2005 19:39, stan wrote: YUK! OK I will honestly tell you my first reaction: I laughed until I fell off my chair. Then I put my hand in front of my mouth and whispered OMG. Now the question is who's going to be the first to have the guts to shelve it again, cause really what the heck are we supposed to be, the Matrix in Red? (that's 20th century BTW, the world moved on since). This is so alien to this project you don't even know where to start in commenting on it. I guess the devil's out but incomprehensible 20th century quasi 3d flash is in? Look at me I can Gimp. Not that I really care, but, man, if you insist to be the laughing stock by all means go ahead... Dan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Logo
On Tuesday 1 November 2005 22:22, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: On Nov 1, 2005, at 3:15 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: Of course not. You got what you deserved though so shut the hell up. Ted, you need to shut the hell up. FreeBSD is not your project and It's not yours either. That's no reason to discard one's opinion, especially if that person arguably has the same stake/interest/influence as you do. It's a non defense. I clashed with Ted at some times but I have the same opinion and taking into account the way the discussion went back then any shadenfreude isn't unappropriate IMHO. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Logo
On Tuesday 1 November 2005 23:20, virgil huston wrote: On 11/1/05, Danny Pansters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 1 November 2005 19:39, stan wrote: YUK! OK I will honestly tell you my first reaction: I laughed until I fell off my chair. Then I put my hand in front of my mouth and whispered OMG. This logo is so bad, especially from a marketing perspective, that it is almost laughable. I hope it disappears quickly. Whoever did this was not a professional graphic designer who knows marketeting and what a logo is for. Sorry to be so brutal. You're not brutal. You're honest and, IMHO, perfectly realistic. I didn't even talk about requirements, and I'm not an expert, but this certainly doesn't seem to be easily scalable, printable, etc on arbitrary media. That's another point (one which was to be the main reason to have the contest) which is what you are making here (correct me if I'm wrong). A simple stylished F with two little horns on top of it and probably most of us would have loved it. Dan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Logo
summary below On Tuesday 1 November 2005 23:47, you wrote: Ted, you need to shut the hell up. FreeBSD is not your project and It's not yours either. And I am not trying to argue and make claims about how inexcusable it is either. I merely pointed out to Ted that he is not in the FreeBSD project and therefore does not have say. If he wants one, and cannot get admitted to the project, he can make his own project. No news here, waste of whitespace. That's no reason to discard one's opinion, especially if that person arguably has the same stake/interest/influence as you do. I am not trying to defend the new logo or beastie or anything as it is not my project and we have been through this 100 times already. It is not our decision. More poor whitespace killed. I personally find the new logo stupid, I think beastie is a great mascot, and we need a new logo for FreeBSD. But bitching and complaining and telling people to shut the hell up is not the way to do it and Ted needs to stop behaving as if were someone important. _You_ told someone to shut the hell up hon. Not vice versa. best regards Chad It's a non defense. No reply to this which was all the content in the first place. Much whitespace killed for nothing there. Won't somebody ever care for the poor whitespace. Bye Chad. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Logo
On Wednesday 2 November 2005 00:40, you wrote: On Nov 1, 2005, at 5:53 PM, Danny Pansters wrote: I personally find the new logo stupid, I think beastie is a great mascot, and we need a new logo for FreeBSD. But bitching and complaining and telling people to shut the hell up is not the way to do it and Ted needs to stop behaving as if were someone important. _You_ told someone to shut the hell up hon. Not vice versa. you need to read the posts again. More carefully. Ted told us to shut the hell up. My response was to him. General metaphor vs ad-hominem. Yes. Glad you clarified, so I don't have to, I forgot this in my earlier post. Thanks, Dan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Logo
On Wednesday 2 November 2005 01:27, Steve Bertrand wrote: -- snip -- That's correct, but we should recall that this is a mailing list to ask technical questions, not discuss logos or flame people. Discuss logos on the advocacy@ list; don't flame people on any list. I don't post here often, You should have left it at that. The discussion is present now and open at -questions and if you want it to end quickly, have it be discussed and end there. Stonewalling is always counterproductive. It started at -questions and it will end at -questions. This is not flames, this is discussion (largely sollicited also). Let people discuss what they want to discuss and suck up the result. One person's flame is one other person's insightful comment. It's out there. Deal with it. If you don't feel qualified, don't interfere (that surely doesnt have anything to do with a logo generally). My opinion, Dan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Logo
On Wednesday 2 November 2005 01:34, Steve Bertrand wrote: I understand the frustration and anger here, but let's please think of I don't have any frustration or anger. I just state my opinion. I'm glad you value it highly. the newbies (people who are just joining in, lurkers if you will) who just want help. We all have to make a conscious (sp?) effort to kill this type of stuff. Think back when y'all were newbies...is this the type of stuff you'd want to read? I have to disagree. If any political or otherwise potentially hurtful content would have to be stripped from all the mailing lists archives the n00bs wouldn't be left with a lot of good advice. It's a useless discussion and laying the n00b ruler next to it will only make things worse. We've never ever censored anything, and I doubt we ever will in the near future (let's call that a definate NO). You should rethink what you're asking for. I can think of other *nix lists where people can see this stuff as often as they want. People come here for the professionalism. Who cares who contributed what. We're all in this together, and my idealism was we were here to help one another. It's not about who contributed what at all in this discussion. We all know that we expect newbs to reply to the list (as opposed to just the original sender), but PLEASE, remove fbsd-q from the reply-all address when posting like this. Not related. General discussions when started at freebsd-questions sre fair game at (grasp) freebsd-questions. It's like a hockey game. Does the whole bench need to be involved, or can it be solved between a few players who are in the kerfluffel? You're babbling. Let me wake you up gently here. What the heck is your point dude? Dan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Please stop off-topic postings (was: New Logo)
On Wednesday 2 November 2005 02:05, you wrote: This mailing list is for technical questions, not discussions. Yes, I'll stop discussing, but once a discussion has started it's not fair to kill it by merely stating that this is not a discussion mailing list on -questions (while it fact it very often is and IMHO it is intended to be just that). That's because of good manners on my side, not because I appreaceate your stonewalling that went on before. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Logo
On Wednesday 2 November 2005 03:39, you wrote: Chad, Ted, and Danny: Welcome to my trash bin. I really hate on-list bickering... Thanks for contibuting to the discussion then. Don't know for what though (or is your not shutting up now attributable to me?) Stick to your firewalls. Eric Crist On Nov 1, 2005, at 5:47 PM, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: On Nov 1, 2005, at 5:16 PM, Danny Pansters wrote: On Tuesday 1 November 2005 22:22, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: On Nov 1, 2005, at 3:15 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: Of course not. You got what you deserved though so shut the hell up. Ted, you need to shut the hell up. FreeBSD is not your project and It's not yours either. And I am not trying to argue and make claims about how inexcusable it is either. I merely pointed out to Ted that he is not in the FreeBSD project and therefore does not have say. If he wants one, and cannot get admitted to the project, he can make his own project. That's no reason to discard one's opinion, especially if that person arguably has the same stake/interest/influence as you do. I am not trying to defend the new logo or beastie or anything as it is not my project and we have been through this 100 times already. It is not our decision. I personally find the new logo stupid, I think beastie is a great mascot, and we need a new logo for FreeBSD. But bitching and complaining and telling people to shut the hell up is not the way to do it and Ted needs to stop behaving as if were someone important. best regards Chad It's a non defense. I clashed with Ted at some times but I have the same opinion and taking into account the way the discussion went back then any shadenfreude isn't unappropriate IMHO. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Your Web App and Email hosting provider [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Eric F Crist Secure Computing Networks http://www.secure-computing.net ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: portssystem stale dependencies
On Saturday 19 November 2005 10:37, Philip Lykke Carlsen wrote: .. does anyone know why the problem of stale dependencies in the package system occurs?.. it's just.. the system won't let you install any given port/package without having met all the dependencies.. just how does it _forget_ that it just installed some package?.. It doesn't forget but it does submit. These are tools that come with portupgrade. During pkgdb -F you can always delete (CTRL+D) any dependency you don't like. Just force it if you have to. Almost always it comes from having a certain combination of ports installed where an actual update by version by one port doesn't really matter but the portupgrade system has it registered and so thinks it may do so. In other cases it just may or may not matter but usually you're running a portupgrade -a anyway so it'll be settled when done. In other cases if something's left behind or broken or so, deleting the dependency (and perhaps it's picked pu again later at your portupgrading) will be fine also. Just delete the pkgdb -F problem deps :) Dan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problem with printing-scanning..combo..
You probably want these (both are from HP ported from Linux): /usr/ports/print/hpijs /usr/ports/graphics/hpoj The first has the foomatic drivers for optimal printing, the second includes scanning support. It's very well documented, our HP photosmart 2610 prints and scans fine from kde using cups and kooka. In short: ptal-init setup scanimage --list-devices HTH, Dan On Wednesday 30 November 2005 20:17, Lucas Fol wrote: Welcome I own a HP PSC 1610 all-in-one. I've plugged it (USB) to my notebook (Acer TM 212 TX). The printing stuff goes ok. It prints well with cups and ulpt driver. The problem is with scanning. The BSD doesn't see the scanner. sane-find-scanner can't do do it. The uscanner module is compiled in kernel. That's the 6.0 Release of FreeBSD. I've tried to solve it for whole three days and i still don't get it. That's my dmesg: Copyright (c) 1992-2005 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 6.0-RELEASE #0: Sun Nov 27 17:33:48 CET 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src/sys/i386/compile/A-GENERIC module nfslock already present! module_register: module uhub/uhid already exists! Module uhub/uhid failed to register: 17 module_register: module pci/rl already exists! Module pci/rl failed to register: 17 module_register: module cardbus/rl already exists! Module cardbus/rl failed to register: 17 module_register: module rl/miibus already exists! Module rl/miibus failed to register: 17 Timecounter i8254 frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0 CPU: Intel Celeron (797.05-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = GenuineIntel Id = 0x68a Stepping = 10 Features=0x383f9ffFPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV ,PAT,PSE36,MMX,FXSR,SSE real memory = 259981312 (247 MB) avail memory = 240738304 (229 MB) npx0: [FAST] npx0: math processor on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface acpi0: Acer FALCON2M on motherboard acpi0: Power Button (fixed) pci_link0: ACPI PCI Link PILA irq 11 on acpi0 pci_link1: ACPI PCI Link PILB irq 11 on acpi0 pci_link2: ACPI PCI Link PILC irq 10 on acpi0 pci_link3: ACPI PCI Link PILD irq 11 on acpi0 pci_link4: ACPI PCI Link PILE on acpi0 pci_link5: ACPI PCI Link PILF on acpi0 pci_link6: ACPI PCI Link PILG irq 10 on acpi0 pci_link7: ACPI PCI Link PILH irq 10 on acpi0 pci_link8: ACPI PCI Link PILI irq 11 on acpi0 acpi_ec0: Embedded Controller: GPE 0x22 port 0x62,0x66 on acpi0 Timecounter ACPI-safe frequency 3579545 Hz quality 1000 acpi_timer0: 32-bit timer at 3.579545MHz port 0xf108-0xf10b on acpi0 cpu0: ACPI CPU on acpi0 acpi_button0: Sleep Button on acpi0 pcib0: ACPI Host-PCI bridge port 0xcf8-0xcff on acpi0 pci0: ACPI PCI bus on pcib0 pcib0: no PRT entry for 0.16.INTAagp0: Ali M1621 host to AGP bridge mem 0xe000-0xe3ff at device 0.0 on pci0 pcib1: ACPI PCI-PCI bridge at device 1.0 on pci0 pci1: ACPI PCI bus on pcib1 pci1: display, VGA at device 0.0 (no driver attached) pcm0: Acer Labs M5451 port 0x8000-0x80ff mem 0x81a0-0x81a00fff irq 10 at device 6.0 on pci0 pcm0: Cirrus Logic CS4299 AC97 Codec pcm0: [GIANT-LOCKED] isab0: PCI-ISA bridge at device 7.0 on pci0 isa0: ISA bus on isab0 atapci0: AcerLabs M5229 UDMA66 controller port 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6,0x170-0x177,0x376,0x7050-0x705f irq 15 at device 16.0 on pci0 atapci0: using PIO transfers above 137GB as workaround for 48bit DMA access bug, expect reduced performance ata0: ATA channel 0 on atapci0 ata1: ATA channel 1 on atapci0 pci0: bridge at device 17.0 (no driver attached) cbb0: O2Micro OZ6812/6872 PCI-CardBus Bridge irq 11 at device 19.0 on pci0 cardbus0: CardBus bus on cbb0 pccard0: 16-bit PCCard bus on cbb0 ohci0: AcerLabs M5237 (Aladdin-V) USB controller mem 0x81c0-0x81c00fff irq 11 at device 20.0 on pci0 ohci0: [GIANT-LOCKED] usb0: OHCI version 1.0, legacy support usb0: AcerLabs M5237 (Aladdin-V) USB controller on ohci0 usb0: USB revision 1.0 uhub0: AcerLabs OHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered acpi_lid0: Control Method Lid Switch on acpi0 acpi_acad0: AC Adapter on acpi0 battery0: ACPI Control Method Battery on acpi0 acpi_tz0: Thermal Zone on acpi0 fdc0: floppy drive controller port 0x3f0-0x3f5,0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on acpi0 fdc0: [FAST] fd0: 1440-KB 3.5 drive on fdc0 drive 0 sio0: 16550A-compatible COM port port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on acpi0 sio0: type 16550A ppc0: Standard parallel printer port port 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on acpi0 ppc0: Generic chipset (EPP/NIBBLE) in COMPATIBLE mode ppbus0: Parallel port bus on ppc0 plip0: PLIP network interface on ppbus0 lpt0: Printer on ppbus0 lpt0: Interrupt-driven port ppi0: Parallel I/O on ppbus0 atkbdc0: Keyboard controller (i8042) port 0x60,0x64 irq 1 on acpi0 atkbd0: AT Keyboard irq 1 on atkbdc0 kbd0 at atkbd0 atkbd0: [GIANT-LOCKED] psm0: PS/2 Mouse irq 12 on atkbdc0 psm0:
Re: print question: cups and lpr
On Tuesday 7 March 2006 08:21, Gary Kline wrote:
On my test system I'm defaulting to cups; printing on any
flavor of *nix has always been painful ... which is why I
stick with plain ol' lpr::: it Just-Works{tm}. So on my
printserver and everywhere else I have lpr/lpd going.
Under Gnome on my test platform I've tried to get things to
print via my printsrver. I see that Gnome thinks things are
printing. Not. Do any of you print wizards know what I'm
missing?
Usually this is caused by confusion over which lpr to use. The one that comes
with base (lpd) is in /usr/bin, the one installed by cups is
in /usr/local/bin. When searching $PATH the first will be used, which is the
wrong one. IIRC the cups port has a 'make replace' target. Or (what I usually
do): cp /usr/bin/lpr /usr/bin/lpr.not and I put NO_LPR=yes in /etc/make.conf
so that when rebuilding world all of lpd is skipped.
thanks for any clues,
gary
PS: 5 gold stars for anybody who can 'splain why cups exists.
Well for just a printer server lpd is fine and maybe easier. But for a desktop
where you want a good filter/driver for those shiny PDFs, cups is almost a
must. I use a HP all-in-one (and before that an officejet). Good luck writing
a printcap for that. Even more so getting a suitable filter. With cups this
is automagical, and no sub par quality or bleak colors (well at least with
HP's drivers, graphics/hpoj and hpijs). Granted, if you fail to get it
running automagically you're in for some reading, but it's well documented.
If all you ever do is print plain text then cups may be overkill.
Also, cups supports several protocols, most prominently ipp which arguably is
the standard now. Since I have my printer hanging on the network this comes
in handy.
My experience with lpd getting it to print decently with magicfilter on the
officejet was always rather painful. Cups just works. It also does scanning
and I can read my camera's flash card with it, but that has nothing to do
with cups, rather with the device drivers.
HTH,
Dan
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Re: print question: cups and lpr
On Tuesday 7 March 2006 17:44, Gary Kline wrote:
On Tue, Mar 07, 2006 at 11:33:02AM +, Danny Pansters wrote:
On Tuesday 7 March 2006 08:21, Gary Kline wrote:
On my test system I'm defaulting to cups; printing on any
flavor of *nix has always been painful ... which is why I
stick with plain ol' lpr::: it Just-Works{tm}. So on my
printserver and everywhere else I have lpr/lpd going.
Under Gnome on my test platform I've tried to get things to
print via my printsrver. I see that Gnome thinks things are
printing. Not. Do any of you print wizards know what I'm
missing?
Usually this is caused by confusion over which lpr to use. The one that
comes with base (lpd) is in /usr/bin, the one installed by cups is
in /usr/local/bin. When searching $PATH the first will be used, which is
the wrong one. IIRC the cups port has a 'make replace' target. Or (what I
usually do): cp /usr/bin/lpr /usr/bin/lpr.not and I put NO_LPR=yes in
/etc/make.conf so that when rebuilding world all of lpd is skipped.
Are you saying that, in effect, I should use cups on my
printserver? --or at least use the cups lpr?
Well, no, you should use whatever works best for you. I'm only saying that
cups is probably well worth investigating and that it works great for me
(with KDE I might add, I don't run gnome). And that the common faq if it
doesn't print is $PATH confusion over which lpr binary to use.
As a matter of fact (but check the docs) I think cups can work just fine with
existing LPR servers. It can be an LPR server itself.
PS: 5 gold stars for anybody who can 'splain why cups exists.
Well for just a printer server lpd is fine and maybe easier. But for a
desktop where you want a good filter/driver for those shiny PDFs, cups is
almost a must. I use a HP all-in-one (and before that an officejet). Good
luck writing a printcap for that. Even more so getting a suitable filter.
With cups this is automagical, and no sub par quality or bleak colors
(well at least with HP's drivers, graphics/hpoj and hpijs). Granted, if
you fail to get it running automagically you're in for some reading, but
it's well documented. If all you ever do is print plain text then cups
may be overkill.
I've got the ghostscript stuff set up for my HP Deskjet-500
(still using since 1992). lpr - hpif (I think); hpif calls
the ghostscript tools and I can print anything. Postscript,
pdf, graphics, OO files, whatever.
OK. hpif == hpijs? I guess so.
Also, cups supports several protocols, most prominently ipp which
arguably is the standard now. Since I have my printer hanging on the
network this comes in handy.
My experience with lpd getting it to print decently with magicfilter on
the officejet was always rather painful. Cups just works. It also does
scanning and I can read my camera's flash card with it, but that has
nothing to do with cups, rather with the device drivers.
HTH,
A little, thanks. If I use the cups lpr on my printserver,
will/(*should*) my test server with Gnome and cups just-work,
or is that a black-hole question? Are there are cups type
tutorials around? I haven't googled around.
Cups has a webserver running on localhost port 631 from where you can set
everything up. This is (not perfectly) integrated with KDE. Don't know about
Gnome.
Cups has documentation where you expect it: /usr/local/share/doc/cups/
The nutshell of it is that when I first started messing with
SVR2 in 1986 (then SVR4, then FreeBSD) it took weeks (totaled)
to get things-printer working with lpr/lpd. It's time to get
out of my Ludditeism and move to CUPS.
Well there must be something easier :) It's probably cups. Together with the
docs that come with hpijs/hpoj ports (not mandatory I think but if you have a
deskjet even an older one hpijs may be of interest) you should be able to get
it going. Use the cups CLI commands or web interface to cups, look at Gnome
later (perhaps once cups is set up a reboot or restarting gnome will do).
I'm not a cups expert in any way but might be able to help a bit along the way
if needed. I tend to stay away from the cups utilities/web interface unless I
need to redo the setup or something. Then the KDE printer stuff sometimes
seems to not be in synch with what you'd do in the web interface. So for real
maintenace I bypass KDE, for normal usage (cleaning the queue and such)it
works fine.
Perhaps someone else could elaborate a bit about cups w/ gnome.
gary
Cheers,
Dan
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Re: BSD License Innocence Clause Proposal
On Sunday 19 March 2006 23:16, Andrew Pantyukhin wrote: I'm not sure if I should start advocating the idea here. Some people must've had this thought before I ever did, I hope they will support me. We need a special clause in the license we release our work under. I'm not a lawyer, but I understand that it will be very hard to devise and formulate. Basically, it should state that under no circumstances and under no legislation should ever any entity be punished for breaking the license terms. I just can't sleep tight when a man can get sued and prosecuted because he copied a piece of my work without mentioning my name, whatever his motives are. At the same time, I respect my work and the work of other, and appreciate a way to state that names should be mentioned. So we need a law, that can be followed and can be broken, but can't be enforced. What do you think, guys? I think that's called public domain. Since the BSD license like GPL defaults to normal copyright if not followed or accepted it's at *your* descretion whether or not someone can/will be sued, and no one elses. You're the copyright holder and you decided to cover reproduction with the BSDL (you can make exceptions as you please as well) on top of copyright with or without a declaration of you asserting your copyright -- which some feel makes your standing stronger (see also: all rights reserved) in case you get involved in a copyright issue. The licenses themselves could only become of legal importance if you accuse someone of breach while they say they still accept the license but believe they abide to it. But that can only be started by your declaring copyright infringement. This is more prominent in the GPL but it applies for the BSDL as well I think. So what I think (IANALIJRS) is that you're proposing something that essentially gives up copyright. That's the public domain as I understand it. Dan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BSD License Innocence Clause Proposal
On Wednesday 22 March 2006 17:57, you wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Danny Pansters Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 2:57 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BSD License Innocence Clause Proposal On Sunday 19 March 2006 23:16, Andrew Pantyukhin wrote: I'm not sure if I should start advocating the idea here. Some people must've had this thought before I ever did, I hope they will support me. We need a special clause in the license we release our work under. I'm not a lawyer, but I understand that it will be very hard to devise and formulate. Basically, it should state that under no circumstances and under no legislation should ever any entity be punished for breaking the license terms. I just can't sleep tight when a man can get sued and prosecuted because he copied a piece of my work without mentioning my name, whatever his motives are. At the same time, I respect my work and the work of other, and appreciate a way to state that names should be mentioned. So we need a law, that can be followed and can be broken, but can't be enforced. What do you think, guys? I think that's called public domain. Since the BSD license like GPL defaults to normal copyright if not followed or accepted it's at *your* descretion whether or not someone can/will be sued, and no one elses. Nope. The real BSD license gives copyrights to the University of California, Berkeley. Mainly for historical reasons because BSD originated from there, but there is a legal reason also. You see, if I Ted Mittelstaedt release software copyright Ted Mittelstaedt, even if I give everyone rights to use it, I still retain copyright and later on I can change the terms of that copyright. That is what the Well, yes that's what I meant with BSDL in this context, as it is used by individual authors currently. courts have said I can do. As a result of this, people, when they use my work commercially they will need to get me to sign a piece of paper. If I'm not reachable, that's kind of hard. By giving the copyright to the University, it assures any future entity that there will never be any question of copyight rights to use the work since the UCB obviously isn't difficult to find, and is not likely to dry up and disappear. This is why FreeBSD is copyrighted The FreeBSD Project and not the individual developers copyrights. If you retain your own copyright on the work then your license might be a BSD-like license, but it's not the BSD license. I'm not sure if I agree with this, it may boil down to a vs the. The BSD(-like, if you like) license as used nowadays is normally one without the Regents involved. I'm not against calling that a BSD license though. You need to spell it out somewhere anyway so the difference in semantics doesn't matter much, the resulting LICENSE or COPYRIGHT text does of course. I may be more inclined to think of BSDL in terms of applicability/restrictions while yours is more in historical terms, but well, like I said, it's the terms you as an author grant that matter. Dan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BSD License Innocence Clause Proposal
Sorry, forgot this part.. On Wednesday 22 March 2006 17:57, you wrote: Nope. The real BSD license gives copyrights to the University of California, Berkeley. Mainly for historical reasons because BSD originated from there, but there is a legal reason also. You see, if I Ted Mittelstaedt release software copyright Ted Mittelstaedt, even if I give everyone rights to use it, I still retain copyright and later on I can change the terms of that copyright. That is what the courts have said I can do. As a result of this, people, when they use my work commercially they will need to get me to sign a piece of paper. If I'm not reachable, that's kind of hard. By giving the copyright If you use the copyright statement and then quote the (extra) provisions you have for distribution, as in -- Redistribution and use in source and binary forms, with or without modification, are permitted provided that the following conditions are met: [ acceptable conditions like attribution ] or Redistribution and use in source and binary forms, with or without modification, are permitted. -- then they don't need you to sign anything, well, not for that code with those clauses. You are granting redistribution rights which are not granted by copyright itself, that's why there's a distribution license. I don't see the problem really. to the University, it assures any future entity that there will never be any question of copyight rights to use the work since the UCB obviously isn't difficult to find, and is not likely to dry up and disappear. s/University/FSF and s/BSD/GPL and you have a heated debate :) This is why FreeBSD is copyrighted The FreeBSD Project and not the individual developers copyrights. That's certainly not the case for the code used in FreeBSD, only for the FreeBSD trademark I think. Look at a random file in src. If you retain your own copyright on the work then your license might be a BSD-like license, but it's not the BSD license. Dan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: HP OfficeJet 4215 Scanner question
On Friday 31 March 2006 02:45, M. Warner Losh wrote: [[ please CC me on any reply, I'm not on this list ]] Greetings, I was wondering if anybody had any luck getting an HP OfficeJet 4125 working on FreeBSD. I plugged it into my 6.1-beta4 system, and it was recognized as a printer. However, my attempts to get sane to access the scanner portion have have failed. What am I doing worng? It looks like I might need the hpijs for printing, but I need hplip for scanning. The hpijs appears to be a FreeSBD port, but I don't see a hplip port. Is there one? Is this what I need? Is there something else that would work? Warner P.S. Keywords for searches: Office Jet OfficeJet Series 4200 xsane You tried the hpoj port? It uses the ptal low level driver and cups for printing, others for scanning or faxing or photo camera flash card. Dan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: reconfiguring a package
On Sunday 02 April 2006 22:23, Luiz Eduardo Guida Valmont wrote: I'm sorry if this is one of those rtfm cases, but I've exhausted my options so far (except asking for help here ^^). When you make install a package, for some the first thing you get is a screen where you choose some compile-time options that affect the package's dependancies (eg. postgresql support when trying to install amarok). The question is simple: is there a way or a make target that deletes my choices and / or forces make to ask them again? The proper way is to use 'make rmconfig'. Can also be done recursively. Dan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: TV Tuner viewing software suggestions
On Sunday 16 April 2006 14:39, Jim Stapleton wrote: I'm trying to use my TV Tuner (A Leadtek Brooktree chipset tuner), and I have gotten FXTV to work great with one exception: It appears to only work in something that looks to be about 320x240, when I go fullscreen or anything larger than what it opens as, it only draws to part of the screen... providing something, that while rather cool looking, is not productive for watching tv or playing console games. I tried getting kbtv to work, but I'm getting an error installing py-kde. If you do so please try version 1.0 from http://freebsd.ricin.com/kbtv (no port yet sorry, use install/deinstall). the one currently in ports is two releases behind. the last of the py-kde compile: c++ -c -Wno-deprecated-declarations -pipe -fPIC -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -march=athlon-mp -Wall -W -DQT_NO_DEBUG -DQT_THREAD_SUPPORT -I. -I../extra/kde350 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/python2.4 -I/usr/X11R6/include -o sipkdecorepart0.o sipkdecorepart0.cpp sip/kdecore/ktimezones.sip: In function `PyObject* convertFrom_ZoneMap(void*)': /usr/local/include/ktimezones.h:191: error: `KTimezone::KTimezone(const KTimezone)' is private sip/kdecore/ktimezones.sip:209: error: within this context sipkdecorepart0.cpp: In function `void* init_KTimezones(sipWrapper*, PyObject*, sipWrapper**)': /usr/local/include/ktimezones.h:340: error: `KTimezones::KTimezones(const KTimezones)' is private sipkdecorepart0.cpp:9497: error: within this context sipkdecorepart0.cpp: In function `void* init_KTimezone(sipWrapper*, PyObject*, sipWrapper**)': /usr/local/include/ktimezones.h:191: error: `KTimezone::KTimezone(const KTimezone)' is private sipkdecorepart0.cpp:10450: error: within this context sip/kdecore/kmountpoint.sip: In function `PyObject* convertFrom_KMountPoint_List(void*)': sip/kdecore/kmountpoint.sip:151: warning: taking address of temporary sipkdecorepart0.cpp: In function `PyObject* convertFrom_Display(void*)': sipkdecorepart0.cpp:34478: warning: unused variable 'sipCpp' sip/kdecore/kconfigbase.sip: In function `PyObject* convertFrom_ulonglong(void*)': sip/kdecore/kconfigbase.sip:307: warning: unused variable 'LongLong' sip/kdecore/kwinmodule.sip: In function `PyObject* convertFrom_QValueList_2100(void*)': sip/kdecore/kwinmodule.sip:111: warning: unused variable 'inst' sipkdecorepart0.cpp: At global scope: sipkdecorepart0.cpp:34440: warning: unused parameter 'sipPy' sipkdecorepart0.cpp:34440: warning: unused parameter 'sipIsErr' *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/py-kde/work/PyKDE-snapshot20060122/kdecore. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/py-kde/work/PyKDE-snapshot20060122. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/py-kde. I'm aware of this problem and can now reproduce it (just updated KDE from 3.5.1 to 3.5.2 and now it shows up). I'm looking into it. There's also a new py-kde to be released one of these days, and then I'm planning to update the sip/py-qt/py-kde ports altogether. Dan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Firefox::::: ugh.
On Tuesday 25 April 2006 02:35, Gary Kline wrote: If firefox is supposedly superior to every other browser, why, when it sees a realplayer smil file, does it pop up a rectangle with radio-button options and a BROWSE button? I press BROWSE and another frame opens. I click on X11R6 and eventually get to bin, and there the only file I see is xauth. ...CCan anybody 'splain this? gary Set mime types and handlers correctly? I use KDE and konqueror, but once in a while I have to set some mine type - handler things and it looks like you got a similar thing. Dan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: scripting languages...
To get back to the original question, I think there's one crucial part: libraries. Or modules, or function sets or whatever they're called in [ pick language ] sphere. It's the extra stuff that you can easily add or import which makes a language worth while, whether it's interpreted or not. That's whjat defines how much functionality it has for you. Now for scripting languages I'd say perl (if you like) or python (if you like, I do) or perhaps ruby (if you like), as all have a lot of libraries/modules you can easily incorporate and build upon. If all you're going to do is shell stuff, then I'd say you should use portable sh scripting and nothing else. Or one higher level scripting language (by preference), but not a shell-plus. Like bash... Or if you really want C syntax , use C ;-) IMHO, Dan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GUI mail client recommendations ...
On Sunday 07 May 2006 03:29, Marc G. Fournier wrote: On Sun, 7 May 2006, Ian Moore wrote: On Sunday 07 May 2006 09:10, Marc G. Fournier wrote: I've been using pine *forever* now and am finding it really hard to find a good GUI to replace it :( Tried kmail, didn't like it ... Off the top of my head, the only thing(s) it needs to do is: multiple identities IMAP PGP As much as I hate admitting doing things under Windows, I have used Eudora in the past and like its interface, but, alas, there is no Eudora for Unix I use kmail (part of kde) which is also very nice and will do all the above. I tried it, and was turned off very question ... my first beef ... I couldn't seem to select multiple messags in the thread window to do a mass operation on it ... for instance, in eudora, I could do 'shift-up/dn' to highlight several articles ... under kmail, the up/dn arrow scrolls the bottom message window ;( As you've noticed the up and down keys are already used for scrolling in the content widget. Instead use shift or ctrl and the left mouse button instead or the + and - keys (go to latter/next unread message) or the arrow-left and arrow-right keys (go to latter/next message). See Keyboard Shortcuts in the KMail handbook which is the obvious place to look ;-) Finally, most core KDE apps have a settings - shortcuts menu entry so you can even change the defaults. Some people call this bloat. Dan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mencoder/mplayer slower on freebsd 6.0-amd64
On Thursday 19 January 2006 00:28, Tsu-Fan Cheng wrote: Hi, I don't know if this is related, but I noticed that, when I run mkxvcd under amd64, it takes longer time to finish a movie conversion. I didn't do a side-by-side comparison between amd64 and i386 system, but usually a job will take less than an hour to finish on i386 would take more than that (usually like 2 hours) on the amd64. mkxvcd calls up mplayer/mencoder to do the conversion, while running the command, it prompted: [code] mplayer: could not connect to socket mplayer: Socket operation on non-socket [/code] is this the problem? No, this is about it trying to find a remote control. Dan (don't know about amd64 vs i386, perhaps you must not use runtime CPU detection with non-i386?) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: atapicam load question
On Saturday 21 January 2006 14:26, Fabian Keil wrote: dick hoogendijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I kldload atapicam the permissions in /etc/devfs.conf for cd0 are _not_ honored. (I want cd0 to have 0666) When I put atapicam_load=YES in /boot/loader.conf the permissions are set the way I want them. I would like to make the choice for atapicam later if posssible, so my question is: why are the permissions not honored by devfs.conf when it creates a /dev/cd0 device after a kldload ? /etc/devfs.conf is for boot-time configuration only. Not true, you just need to restart devfs. What you're looking for is /etc/devfs.rules. Fabian Dan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Setting up a microphone
mixer recsrc must be mic, do you have that? Dan On Tuesday 24 January 2006 17:35, Keith Beattie wrote: On 01/24/06 07:11, uidzero wrote: It's worked flawlessly for me after I add recompiled the kernel with sound support. (I use Skype as well.) Thanks and glad to hear that Skype is working. Listening to music, etc. works just fine for me too, it's how to get input from the mic which I'm stuck on. The machine is dual boot so I know the hardware works and the things are plugged into the right place (Skype works when running XP). This must be a FreeBSD config thing. I've tried, unsuccessfully, working with mixer, rawrec, wmrecord and audacity to capture sound, so I'm now looking for a simple 'is your microphone working' test akin to the 'cat some_small_file /dev/dsp' for testing noise coming out of the speakers (which still works). 'cat /dev/dsp foo', speaking for a bit into the mic, then cntl-c to stop, does create a non-empty file but then a 'cat foo /dev/dsp' doesn't produce any sound. The rawrec port seems promising but no love from 'rawrec foo.raw' / 'rawplay foo.raw'. All this with mixer showing non-zero levels for all channels and trying it with the recording source as mic and then line. Something's gotta give here. Maybe try updating to RELEASE-p8? Indeed I'll update anyway but I don't believe any of those patches are sound related. Thanks, ksb ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Building an older version/port of SWIG
On Monday 27 February 2006 01:20, David Pratt wrote: Hi. I am trying to build an older version of SWIG that the current version in ports. Current version on ports is 1.3.27 but I am needing to install 1.3.24 due to a problem with 1.3.27 with other software I will be compliling. It is possible to install an older port of swig like this with ports collection? I am on freeBSD 4.10. I have just recently tried downloading SWIG-1.3.24 from the swig site and compiling it on its own with ./configure make make check make install but it stops ... Installing /usr/local/share/swig/1.3.24/allegrocl/typemaps.i Installing /usr/local/share/swig/1.3.24/allegrocl/allegrocl.swg Installing language specific files for std *** Error code 1 Are there specific parameters I need for FreeBSD for this to install successfully. I am wanting SWIG to wrap for python. I would be happier with a port for sure but would be happy to get this to compile/install one way or the other. Try using the port but for the older version: Change the version in Makefile and run 'make makesum' to change the checksums (and download the tarball, or copy it to /usr/ports/distfiles before this, as you already have it). It may work. You'll be setting yourself up with a nasty upgrading path to begin with though. HTH, Dan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: sysctl meanings.
On Friday 17 September 2004 00:51, Lewis Thompson wrote: Hi, I wonder if there is a comprehensive list of what many of the sysctl values are, both in terms of what the node (by this I mean, say, hw.acpi.verbose) means, and what the values would mean/do? I don't think there is. At the very least we should have defaults at /etc/defaults If this doesn't exist would it be worth creating a website with a list of all these? I've got some spare time in the next couple of days and I could whip something up in PHP that would hopefully do the job. Sysctl docs are greatly needed I think! Thanks, -lewiz. No, thank *you* :) Dan ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[FYI] QT4 licensing looks very bad for *BSD
Folks, I don't want to scare anyone but today QT4 was released and their web page (http://www.trolltech.com/download/opensource.html) specifically states several times that if using the free version one is required to release their own code under GPL. That's effectively a requirement to relicense which goes much further than the GPL itself. The former licensing amounted to abide to the GPL or QPL as is normal for a GPL project and in that case one could release code under BSDL and if anything let the next guy worry about it (if they want to distribute a derivative). I think this should be discussed. I already sent the Trolls an email asking for clarification about this, or rather if it's as bad as it seems for us. Perhaps they just overlooked the *BSDs... Dan PS keep your flames to yourselves. This is serious. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [FYI] QT4 licensing looks very bad for *BSD
Hey Chuck, thanks for answering. On Wednesday 29 June 2005 16:47, Chuck Swiger wrote: Danny Pansters wrote: I don't want to scare anyone but today QT4 was released and their web page (http://www.trolltech.com/download/opensource.html) specifically states several times that if using the free version one is required to release their own code under GPL. That's effectively a requirement to relicense which goes much further than the GPL itself. The former licensing amounted to abide to the GPL or QPL as is normal for a GPL project and in that case one could release code under BSDL and if anything let the next guy worry about it (if they want to distribute a derivative). TrollTech is playing the same type of game that MySQL is doing. If you write your own program, and use it with QT which results in a derivative work, then you may not redistribute your program without complying with the terms of the GPL. Nothing in the GPL requires someone else's code to be relicensed under the GPL, it just requires that code to be under a GPL-miscable license. The new BSDL (ie, without the advertizing clause) is fine. But they specifically state it: (I) Add a notice to your program that it is GPL licensed when it runs This is because the Open Source versions of our software are governed by the terms of the GNU GPL license. Using the Open Source Edition means you agree that the source of the software you write also will be published according to this license. on their download page: http://www.trolltech.com/download/opensource.html Their licensing page (I just noted) OTOH, has: (II) If you wish to use the Qt Open Source Edition, you must contribute all your source code to the open source community in accordance with the GPL when your application is distributed. That's on http://www.trolltech.com/products/qt/opensource.html The two are obviously different (the latter being the same as for qt3-gpl). Abiding to and applying a licence are not the same. And that's what get's mangled up (perhaps accidentally). Also note that the Open Source Definition does not allow restrictions on the field of endeavor: The license must not restrict anyone from making use of the program in a specific field of endeavor. For example, it may not restrict the program from being used in a business, or from being used for genetic research. Rationale: The major intention of this clause is to prohibit license traps that prevent open source from being used commercially. We want commercial users to join our community, not feel excluded from it. Yeah but if the letter of (I) is to be followed we'd be barred from releasing any qt/kde desktop enhancing stuff for *BSD if we'd insist on releasing that code (our own) on our own license terms (to be expected) which complies with what GPL asks of us. Hence I'm saying that (I) would go a lot further than GPL requirements. Cheers, Dan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [FYI] QT4 licensing looks very bad for *BSD
snipped I'd like to say that my mail to trolltech was before yours and I haven't had an answer yet save for an automated reply. Perhaps I'm not important enough :) I'm not sure if I want this to go on the list (and archive) but this is what I sent them, and yes, I was voicing concern but I don't think I got abusive or impolite at any point. If anything I'm directly pointing out where problems may/will arise (after re-reading I thought there's nothing wrong copying it to the list): - LIcensing of new QT4 From: Danny Pansters [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 29/06/05 13:02 Hi there, congratulations with the new QT. But there was something on your download page where the licensing is explained that made me very worried. I use and work on FreeBSD and there is no way I'm going to write code (for FreeBSD/KDE and in most cases useless for Linux) that is forced to become GPL because it uses QT. And I don't think you can enforce relicensing like that. See, if I release code under BSDL that uses (but not changes) any GPL'd QT code I am abiding to the GPL. So is this situation still the same and is the wording on the webpage a bit mangled, or do you really mean that any and all code (including code under other open source licenses from people external to QT) must be released under GPL if it use QT? Please give me a clear answer on this, because for *BSD people this means a lot and we'd need to have a long hard talk about QT if indeed everything is forced into GPL. I'm working on a TV app for FreeBSD using PyQt and now I'm wondering if I should just keep it to myself. That can't be the intention of the licensing. Thanks, Danny Pansters -- They're still not clear about this as far as I can tell. It's interesting that what you said about relicensing in a GPL context (that this may not be a requirement if to be GPL compliant/compatible) was also the first thing that came to my mind. It may even void their GPL based license if taken to the letter. I fact that would be likely. I'll be satisfied if they make a statement about this or something alike, but I do agree with you that a requirement to relicensing while complying with gpl would not be possible if abiding to gpl themselves. Again, thanks, you clearly know what this stuff (from a *bsd perspective) is about, unlike others even if they *gasp* wrote a book. I dunno I feel somewhat silly about persuing this, but I also feel that if no one does we might end up with a dreadful deal etched in stone and that would be bye bye qt/kde development specifically for *BSD and released as such. That would very much hinder newcomers or veterans alike who want to enhance our desktop (can you say pc-bsd which adapted a GPL license based on exactly this presumable FUD!) Anayway I apreciate your input and effords talking with the Trolls. Thanks. Cheers, Dan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [FYI] QT4 licensing looks very bad for *BSD
Sorry for top posting... The crucial words are: under the terms of this License. The confusion is due to contradictions in the License. Which are theirs. And it's very disputed as in might be void. What GPL quotes can be used (remember it's a license not a law, BTW) for the case when I use python bindings instead of C++ and (real) binding? And what about Use of the Program. A toolkit has a clear Use. And there we have the LGPL case all over again. Personally I wouldn't mind if the QPL came back to life. For *BSD it was a workable solution. On Friday 1 July 2005 04:44, Josh Ockert wrote: I'm not so sure you guys have this right. No BSD-licensed code is allowed to use a GPL library and remain BSD-licensed. According to the GPL, Section 2: b) You must cause any work that you distribute or publish, that in whole or in part contains or is derived from the Program or any part thereof, to be licensed as a whole at no charge to all third parties under the terms of this License. This very specifically includes works which use libraries; use of libraries with non-GPL software is to be done with the LGPL. That's why the first L in LGPL used to stand for Library. Now it stands for Lesser, because RMS wants to discourage its use; he has in fact claimed that many projects have been made open source because they wanted to use the readline library: The Readline library implements input editing and history for interactive programs, and that's a facility not generally available elsewhere. Releasing it under the GPL and limiting its use to free programs gives our community a real boost. At least one application program is free software today specifically because that was necessary for using Readline (see http://software.newsforge.com/software/04/07/15/163208.shtml). The GPL clarifies this point: This General Public License does not permit incorporating your program into proprietary programs. If your program is a subroutine library, you may consider it more useful to permit linking proprietary applications with the library. If this is what you want to do, use the GNU Library General Public License instead of this License. While this only explicitly refers to proprietary licenses, other open source licenses are also excluded because the 'viral' part of the GPL requires that they be distributed under the terms of this License (meaning the GPL). I believe where the confusion comes in is here: The QT Public License. It allowed redistribution of any linked work under any Open Source license. To wit: 6. You may develop application programs, reusable components and other software items that link with the original or modified versions of the Software. These items, when distributed, are subject to the following requirements: (a) You must ensure that all recipients of machine-executable forms of these items are also able to receive and use the complete machine-readable source code to the items without any charge beyond the costs of data transfer. (b) You must explicitly license all recipients of your items to use and re-distribute original and modified versions of the items in both machine-executable and source code forms. The recipients must be able to do so without any charges whatsoever, and they must be able to re-distribute to anyone they choose. (c) If the items are not available to the general public, and the initial developer of the Software requests a copy of the items, then you must supply one. You can read a whole flamewar on the Debian lists from when the QPL was first coming out: http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/1999/03/msg00064.html If QT4 is licensed exclusively under GPL I do not believe that BSDL software can continue to be written with it without exploiting some kind of legal loophole. I'd need to read the GPL in more detail before giving my opinion. Please note that I'm not a licensed lawyer, just a law geek applying to law school and finishing up his senior year in undergrad; take my opinion with a grain of salt. But please do look up the references, and if you have doubts, read the BSDL, the QPL, the GPL, and the LGPL, and any clarifying text thereon. No. It's not about being licensed GPL. That allows for parts being BSDL. It's about having to relicense BSDL - GPL and we believe that can not be enforcable (at least not when abiding to GPL) Cheers, Dan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [FYI] QT4 licensing looks very bad for *BSD
On Friday 1 July 2005 07:32, Josh Ockert wrote: On 6/30/05, Danny Pansters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry for top posting... The crucial words are: under the terms of this License. The confusion is due to contradictions in the License. Which are theirs. And it's very disputed as in might be void. What GPL quotes can be used (remember it's a license not a law, BTW) for the case when I use python bindings instead of C++ and (real) binding? And what about Use of the Program. A toolkit has a clear Use. And there we have the LGPL case all over again. Personally I wouldn't mind if the QPL came back to life. For *BSD it was a workable solution. On Friday 1 July 2005 04:44, Josh Ockert wrote: I'm not so sure you guys have this right. No BSD-licensed code is allowed to use a GPL library and remain BSD-licensed. According to the GPL, Section 2: b) You must cause any work that you distribute or publish, that in whole or in part contains or is derived from the Program or any part thereof, to be licensed as a whole at no charge to all third parties under the terms of this License. This very specifically includes works which use libraries; use of libraries with non-GPL software is to be done with the LGPL. That's why the first L in LGPL used to stand for Library. Now it stands for Lesser, because RMS wants to discourage its use; he has in fact claimed that many projects have been made open source because they wanted to use the readline library: The Readline library implements input editing and history for interactive programs, and that's a facility not generally available elsewhere. Releasing it under the GPL and limiting its use to free programs gives our community a real boost. At least one application program is free software today specifically because that was necessary for using Readline (see http://software.newsforge.com/software/04/07/15/163208.shtml). The GPL clarifies this point: This General Public License does not permit incorporating your program into proprietary programs. If your program is a subroutine library, you may consider it more useful to permit linking proprietary applications with the library. If this is what you want to do, use the GNU Library General Public License instead of this License. While this only explicitly refers to proprietary licenses, other open source licenses are also excluded because the 'viral' part of the GPL requires that they be distributed under the terms of this License (meaning the GPL). I believe where the confusion comes in is here: The QT Public License. It allowed redistribution of any linked work under any Open Source license. To wit: 6. You may develop application programs, reusable components and other software items that link with the original or modified versions of the Software. These items, when distributed, are subject to the following requirements: (a) You must ensure that all recipients of machine-executable forms of these items are also able to receive and use the complete machine-readable source code to the items without any charge beyond the costs of data transfer. (b) You must explicitly license all recipients of your items to use and re-distribute original and modified versions of the items in both machine-executable and source code forms. The recipients must be able to do so without any charges whatsoever, and they must be able to re-distribute to anyone they choose. (c) If the items are not available to the general public, and the initial developer of the Software requests a copy of the items, then you must supply one. You can read a whole flamewar on the Debian lists from when the QPL was first coming out: http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/1999/03/msg00064.html If QT4 is licensed exclusively under GPL I do not believe that BSDL software can continue to be written with it without exploiting some kind of legal loophole. I'd need to read the GPL in more detail before giving my opinion. Please note that I'm not a licensed lawyer, just a law geek applying to law school and finishing up his senior year in undergrad; take my opinion with a grain of salt. But please do look up the references, and if you have doubts, read the BSDL, the QPL, the GPL, and the LGPL, and any clarifying text thereon. No. It's not about being licensed GPL. That allows for parts being BSDL. It's about having to relicense BSDL - GPL and we believe that can not be enforcable (at least not when abiding to GPL) Cheers, Dan I don't really see the contradiction in the GPL. The contradiction is in Use of a toolkit which only use is techinically to create a derivative. Hence the LGPL. Regardless of whether it's a law or a license, it's binding. Nothing else gives you the right to use the Qt libraries. Yes, but an EULA requiring release
Re: Linux move to FreeBSD
On Sunday 3 July 2005 23:02, Dmitry Mityugov wrote: On 7/3/05, Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... It truly boggles the mind at how frequently people protest the on-going decision to use beastie on the public face of FreeBSD. It's almost like a guest who comes into your home and then starts redecorating! ... I believe there was nothing in the original question that would resemble redecorating. It was a polite question about why FreeBSD had this feature. Yeah but he's right nonetheless. I am, personally, currently helping my friend to buy and configure a computer for him and his family. Although I know FreeBSD better than Linux (and this does not mean I am a FreeBSD guru), I'll be installing something like Ubuntu on that machine, not FreeBSD, because my friend and his family are religious men. I know I shouldn't get into this thread, but really this kind of thing absolutely disgustes me. What if they want an all-white OS would you also consider that? Or a non-queer one perhaps. Oh, they already want that I reckon. But that's not the same??? Well, it bloody is to me. It's JUST as dumb. Educate them instead of bending over. I'm sick of the flat earth anti-Darwin basket cases telling us what to do. It's not their realm. They should learn that not everything is their realm. Our world is about tech and that's not NOT about politics and certainly not about superstition, uhm, I mean religion. And I'd like to make a plea to the project to not give in to that in any way. But I fear they already did. And one can argue back and forth but the logo contest *was* partly or perhaps wholly fuelled by that. Don't give me crap. Same with Net (they managed to get a nice logo as their new one, I like it visulually, but any and all symbolism is gone. It looks like a flag). For optimum popularity perhaps ours should have lots of red white and blue but no horns or sneakers. Except if they have a swoosh. Ahh, feels good to get that off my chest. Now you can flame along :) Greetings, Dan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Linux move to FreeBSD
On Sunday 3 July 2005 23:02, Dmitry Mityugov wrote: On 7/3/05, Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... It truly boggles the mind at how frequently people protest the on-going decision to use beastie on the public face of FreeBSD. It's almost like a guest who comes into your home and then starts redecorating! ... I believe there was nothing in the original question that would resemble redecorating. It was a polite question about why FreeBSD had this feature. Yeah but he's right nonetheless. I am, personally, currently helping my friend to buy and configure a computer for him and his family. Although I know FreeBSD better than Linux (and this does not mean I am a FreeBSD guru), I'll be installing something like Ubuntu on that machine, not FreeBSD, because my friend and his family are religious men. I know I shouldn't get into this thread, but really this kind of thing absolutely disgustes me. What if they want an all-white OS would you also consider that? Or a non-queer one perhaps. Oh, they already want that I reckon. But that's not the same??? Well, it bloody is to me. It's JUST as dumb. Educate them instead of bending over. I'm sick of the flat earth anti-Darwin basket cases telling us what to do. It's not their realm. They should learn that not everything is their realm. Our world is about tech and that's not NOT about politics and certainly not about superstition, uhm, I mean religion. And I'd like to make a plea to the project to not give in to that in any way. But I fear they already did. And one can argue back and forth but the logo contest *was* partly or perhaps wholly fuelled by that. Don't give me crap. Same with Net (they managed to get a nice logo as their new one, I like it visulually, but any and all symbolism is gone. It looks like a flag). For optimum popularity perhaps ours should have lots of red white and blue but no horns or sneakers. Except if they have a swoosh. Ahh, feels good to get that off my chest. Now you can flame along :) Greetings, Dan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
