Re: 4.7-R-p3: j.root-servers.net

2003-01-26 Thread Jason Slagle
On Mon, 27 Jan 2003, William Palfreman wrote:

 So what is the great theoretical objection to multiple roots then?

We've already seen a conflict between the official roots and the
offshoots.  What happens then?  Anyone who registered a .biz in the fake
root is now somewhat screwed.

The second problem is visibility.  Without multiple roots being global,
they offer a very limited utility.

The final problem is lack of direction.  What if I tommorrow created my
own alternative root with a .geek TLD.  There would be a conflict created.

Even if we HAD multiple roots, a single group would have to be in charge
of who got what TLD's and you still have the political drama because of
that.

Jason

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Re: 4.7-R-p3: j.root-servers.net

2003-01-26 Thread Matthew Dillon

:On Sun, 26 Jan 2003, at 15:55 [=GMT-0800], Matthew Dillon wrote:
:
: #set hostname = 'ftp.alternic.net'
: #set remfile = 'db.root'
: #set locfile = 'db.root'
: set hostname = 'ftp.rs.internic.net'
: set remfile = domain/root.zone.gz
: set locfile = root.zone.gz
:
:Did you at some time change your root?

That's just old commented out stuff.  Probably from quite a long time
ago, I've been using some variation of this script for almost 10 years.

-Matt
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Re: 4.7-R-p3: j.root-servers.net

2003-01-26 Thread Barney Wolff
On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 10:57:24AM +1100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   Firstly there is no proof that it will actually increase the load
   on the roots.  It may well decrease the load.  The analysis has not
   been done.
 
   Secondly it is more robust.  You are no longer dependent on having
   to be able to reach a root server when your nameserver starts.
 
   Thirdly the vast majority (90%) of the queries to the roots result
   in negative answers.  These are cached for a much shorter period
   than the positive answers.
 
   Forth you don't need to have every one of your nameservers talking
   to the root servers.  You can use one server to get the zone and
   use it to distribute the zone to your other servers.

Well!  When ISC officially endorses this technique, by distributing
bind with it set up as the default, I'll be pleased to change my mind.
Until then, not.

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Re: 4.7-R-p3: j.root-servers.net

2003-01-26 Thread Marc Schneiders
On Sun, 26 Jan 2003, at 20:45 [=GMT-0500], Barney Wolff wrote:

 Well!  When ISC officially endorses this technique, by distributing
 bind with it set up as the default, I'll be pleased to change my mind.
 Until then, not.

Always best to only use default configurations. Never trust yourself!

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Adaptec 2120s RAID Controller with 4.7-RELEASE ... alternative?

2003-01-26 Thread Marc G. Fournier

Morning all ...

  Today, I installed a new Intel server with a 2120s RAID controller in
it, with the 4.7-RELEASE CDs, only to find out afterwards that there is a
bug (known) in the driver causing it to TIMEOUT on reboot ... know, I know
that Scott knows about it, and is looking into it, based on a posting on
Jan 16th to this list, so this question is two part:

1. has it been fix in recent code?  Will an upgrade to -STABLE (which is
   planned anyway) fix it?  I found a commit since the bug was reported,
on the 23rd ... is this meant to address that problem?

Work around a bug in the 2200 and 2120 cards that cannot DMA commands
  from the first 8k og physical memory.


2. I doon't know how the Hardware RAID controllers work, but is there an
alternate card that I can put into the machine (ie. the 2110S (U160 vs
U320) that will work, or is this an issue that affects anything using the
aac driver altogether?

Also, how does hardware RAID work?  With vinum, I know that the 'RAID
configuration' is saved on the drive itself ... where is it saved on a
RAID controller?  On the card itself?  If I replace the controller, do I
end up losing all of my configuration?  Or is it simple 'plug in new card
and reboot'?

Thanks ...

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Re: Adaptec 2120s RAID Controller with 4.7-RELEASE ... alternative?

2003-01-26 Thread Scott Long
Marc G. Fournier wrote:


Morning all ...

  Today, I installed a new Intel server with a 2120s RAID controller in
it, with the 4.7-RELEASE CDs, only to find out afterwards that there is a
bug (known) in the driver causing it to TIMEOUT on reboot ... know, I know
that Scott knows about it, and is looking into it, based on a posting on
Jan 16th to this list, so this question is two part:

1. has it been fix in recent code?  Will an upgrade to -STABLE (which is
   planned anyway) fix it?  I found a commit since the bug was reported,
on the 23rd ... is this meant to address that problem?

Work around a bug in the 2200 and 2120 cards that cannot DMA commands
  from the first 8k og physical memory.



Yes, this checkin addresses the last known problems in the driver.  If you
can update to 4-STABLE, the driver will work.




2. I doon't know how the Hardware RAID controllers work, but is there an
alternate card that I can put into the machine (ie. the 2110S (U160 vs
U320) that will work, or is this an issue that affects anything using the
aac driver altogether?



To my knowledge, it only affects the 2120 and 2200 cards.  There really
isn't a good reason to switch to the 2110S now that the bug has been fixed.



Also, how does hardware RAID work?  With vinum, I know that the 'RAID
configuration' is saved on the drive itself ... where is it saved on a
RAID controller?  On the card itself?  If I replace the controller, do I
end up losing all of my configuration?  Or is it simple 'plug in new card
and reboot'?



The 'metadata' is saved on each drive that composes the array.  It is also
saved in nvram on the card.  When you turn on the machine, the card scans
its scsi busses and compares what it finds to what it has stored, and
configures itself accordingly.  If you replace the controller, the new
controller will scan the buses, see the drives and arrays, and configure 
itself
to use them.  It's designed to be pretty seamless and logical in this 
respect.

Scott



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Re: 4.7-R-p3: j.root-servers.net

2003-01-26 Thread Mark . Andrews

 On Sun, 26 Jan 2003, Barney Wolff wrote:
 
  And of course, using the alternate roots is evil.
 
 Why is that then?  I'm slaving the OpenNIC ones here without any
 trouble.  DNS just being an information service in the end I can't see
 why there has to be the only one of its type.  In fact, how can it be a
 standard if there is only one implementation? :-)

Did you ever here the term natual monopoly.  The DNS root
is a example of such.  When you try to change it all you
do is reproduce it with additional unnecessary baggage like
have to find all the roots to register the new TLD in.

 I can think of some very good reasons *to* have multiple roots, for one
 allowing new TLD domains to evolve spontaneously, and secondly to
 prevent TLD and subdomains from coming under control of oppressive
 governments and quasi-government agencies like ICANN.

And why do you think that you should have the right to
create arbitary new TLDs?  Hell I would like the prestige
of my own TLD but I know that it is *not* in the best
interests of the world as a whole to have lots to TLDs which
is the natural consequence to allowing anyone to set one
up.  In the end you end up with a massive root zone (similar
to the COM zone) that requires very large machines to serve
it or requires many smaller machines with a fancy front end.

 AFAIK .za had to
 move to the UK a while back precisely to avoid takeover by the South
 African government, but even so, one fixed root is bound to lead to
 increasing political control in the end.

Well za should have known from the start that the South
African government would possible want control at some point
in time.  It was quite evident from the start that governments
would eventually wake up to the fact that the Internet
existed and the naming structure included country codes.

I know Robert Elz was aware that this was a possibility
when au was established.  That's also why we use oz
not au for the top level of ACSnet.

 
 So what is the great theoretical objection to multiple roots then?

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Zoltrix modem

2003-01-26 Thread Zoran Kolic
   Dear FreeBSD!
   Hope that someone on the list has
expirience with external Zoltrix modem
named Rainbow. It should change my
nightmare: lucent winmodem. Maker
has a lot of data about windows com-
pability, but freeBSD is not even men-
tioned. Should I buy it? (Modem on the
machine? Yes, gonna be RELEASE. I have
no possibility to cvs or some other fancy
thing.)
   Thnx

 Zoran Kolic



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Re: 4.7-R-p3: j.root-servers.net

2003-01-26 Thread Barney Wolff
Just for the record, I wrote ... is evil not the nonsense about OpenNIC.
Please don't misattribute idiocy to me - my reputation is all I've got.
Barney Wolff

On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 02:58:54PM +1100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  On Sun, 26 Jan 2003, Barney Wolff wrote:
  
   And of course, using the alternate roots is evil.
  
  Why is that then?  I'm slaving the OpenNIC ones here without any
  trouble.  DNS just being an information service in the end I can't see
  why there has to be the only one of its type.  In fact, how can it be a
  standard if there is only one implementation? :-)
 
   Did you ever here the term natual monopoly.  The DNS root
   is a example of such.  When you try to change it all you
   do is reproduce it with additional unnecessary baggage like
   have to find all the roots to register the new TLD in.

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Re: Zoltrix modem

2003-01-26 Thread James Long
On Sun, Jan 26, 2003 at 08:58:32AM +0100, Zoran Kolic wrote:
Dear FreeBSD!
Hope that someone on the list has
 expirience with external Zoltrix modem
 named Rainbow. It should change my
 nightmare: lucent winmodem. Maker
 has a lot of data about windows com-
 pability, but freeBSD is not even men-
 tioned. Should I buy it? (Modem on the
 machine? Yes, gonna be RELEASE. I have
 no possibility to cvs or some other fancy
 thing.)

If it is based on the Lucent Winmodem chipset, as you
say, it might be supported by the /usr/ports/comm/ltmdm
port.

Should you buy it?  Only if you can return it for a 
refund should you find that it won't work with FreeBSD.


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Re: 4.7-R-p3: j.root-servers.net

2003-01-26 Thread Marc Schneiders
On Mon, 27 Jan 2003, at 00:38 [=GMT-0500], Barney Wolff wrote:

 Just for the record, I wrote ... is evil not the nonsense about OpenNIC.
 Please don't misattribute idiocy to me - my reputation is all I've got.

And that is that you have strong opinions and use strong words to
defend them in your recent messages to this list. Arguing something is
not your forte.

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Problem ipfw

2003-01-26 Thread budsz
Hi,

I was upgrade my box with make world (FreeBSD STABLE), but some function 
firewall doesn't work well, if I typed :

$ ipfw show

04086 11249850788085760   ip from any to any [opcode 0 len 0] [opcode 0 len 0] ...

What that's mean? and how to prepare without make stable and install new
kernel?

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Re: whither demsg?

2003-01-26 Thread David Schultz
Thus spake Mike Harding [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Oh, I'm embarrased - the spelling got flushed from my cerebral cache,
 and of course google (as always) has plently of examples of the
 misspelled version.

That's why it says

Did you mean: /dmesg/ FreeBSD

;-)

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Re: kern/47432: Fatal trap 12 when enabling promiscuous mode on fxpinterface

2003-01-26 Thread soloviova
Hello!
Last night I'd cvsuped my source tree to lastest -STABLE and this problem seems to 
disappear.
ident if_fxp.c now shows  v 1.110.2.27, vs old v 1.110.2.25.
Thank you.


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