rcorder

2005-02-03 Thread Boris Kovalenko
Hello!
	Will rcorder on /usr/local/etc/rc.d problem solved before the 5.4 
release? Or it will be still run only for /etc/rc.d?

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Re: FreeBSD 5.4 Release Schedule

2005-02-03 Thread Ivan Voras
Ken Smith wrote:
On Wed, Feb 02, 2005 at 01:57:11PM +0100, Ivan Voras wrote:
Ken Smith wrote:
http://www.freebsd.org/releases/5.4R/todo.html
Is SCHED_ULE abandoned for 5.x?

I wouldn't go as far as to say that but at the moment there are no plans
to make changes in the default scheduler for 5.4.  A lot of work has been
done on it since 5.3 came out so we may 'advertise' it a bit in the release
notes and encourage people to start trying it again.
Ok, so the plan is to MFC the changes into RELENG_5? AFAIK, the ULE code 
in RELENG_5 is still the same as in 5.3-release.

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Re: Adjusting time on a secured FreeBSD machine.

2005-02-03 Thread Oliver Fromme
Eli K. Breen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I'm running in to an issue where I can't set the clock on a machine 
  because the secure level was bumped to 2  before the clock was set. 
  Unfortunately adjustments are now clamped to  1s. Is there any way I 
  can force ntpd to adjust the clock by say, 1s every two seconds or at 
  least something more frequent than 0.128 ms / update?

No.  (It's 0.5 ms/s, not 0.128 ms/s, BTW.)

The ntpd(8) manpage says:

 | The maximum slew rate possible is limited to 500 parts-per-million
 | (PPM) as a consequence of the correctness principles on which the
 | NTP protocol and algorithm design are based.  As a result, the local
 | clock can take a long time to converge to an acceptable offset, about
 | 2,000 s for each second the clock is outside the acceptable range.
 | During this interval the local clock will not be consistent with any
 | other network clock and the system cannot be used for distributed
 | applications that require correctly synchronized network time.

So your choices are to reboot, or to wait until the local
clock is synchronized again.  You didn't mention how far
off your clock is, so I can't tell how long it will take.
The maximum slew rate is 1.8 seconds per hour, so if your
clock is off by half a minute, it will take about 17 hours
to get back in sync.  If you can't wait, you'll have to
reboot.

Best regards
   Oliver

PS:  You need to specify the -x option to ntpd, so it does
not try to step the clock by more than 1 second.

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Re: AW: Slow Network with rl0 and 5.3

2005-02-03 Thread Dorian Bttner

EVERYBODY: Could you please check if you have a rl(4) driven NIC and check if 
you experienced a speed degradation as well.  Please let me know either way 
with information about the chipset on your NIC.  Thanks!
Hi,
I'm using several 8139 NICs, all of them do good :)
since 5.3 I'm every now and then having some ...discarding oversize 
packet frame...1542... (something similar) on the console but some 
serious downspeed hasn't bothered my notice yet.
If you need some details or so let me know by cc please, I'm not reading 
this group on a very regular basis.

Regards,
Dorian
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share lists of spammers

2005-02-03 Thread Daniel
Hi all, I know this is quite off topic for this lists, I was wondering
if you guys will agree to share your  anti-spam softwares' spam
lists...

the reason is obvious...

Especially  for SpamAssasin...

Thank,
Dan
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share lists of spammers

2005-02-03 Thread Daniel
Hi all, I know this is quite off topic for this lists, I was wondering
if you guys will agree to share your  anti-spam softwares' spam
lists...

the reason is obvious...

Especially  for SpamAssasin...

Thanks,
Dan
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Re: share lists of spammers

2005-02-03 Thread Daniel
I'm sorry if  I was annoying, i hit send and then saw that i wrote
Thank, instead of Thanks and I thought to be polite


On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 15:30:18 +0100, Ruben de Groot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Spamming multiple lists with multiple copies of the same off-topic
 messages is good enough a reason to get you on my spam list.
 
 On Thu, Feb 03, 2005 at 04:03:53PM +0200, Daniel typed:
  Hi all, I know this is quite off topic for this lists, I was wondering
  if you guys will agree to share your  anti-spam softwares' spam
  lists...
 
  the reason is obvious...
 
  Especially  for SpamAssasin...
 
  Thanks,
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Re: AW: Slow Network with rl0 and 5.3

2005-02-03 Thread Max Laier
On Wednesday 02 February 2005 23:34, Dorian Büttner wrote:
  EVERYBODY: Could you please check if you have a rl(4) driven NIC and
  check if you experienced a speed degradation as well.  Please let me know
  either way with information about the chipset on your NIC.  Thanks!

 Hi,
 I'm using several 8139 NICs, all of them do good :)
 since 5.3 I'm every now and then having some ...discarding oversize
 packet frame...1542... (something similar) on the console but some
 serious downspeed hasn't bothered my notice yet.
 If you need some details or so let me know by cc please, I'm not reading
 this group on a very regular basis.

PR kern/61448 might apply to you.  Can you try the diff offered there and 
follow-up with your findings?

http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=kern/61448

Thanks.

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Re: Adjusting time on a secured FreeBSD machine.

2005-02-03 Thread Eli K. Breen
I'm not sure that this will cut it as it will days a very long time to 
adjust to the proper time. Is there any way to speed this up?

-E-
David Magda wrote:
On Feb 2, 2005, at 16:56, Eli K. Breen wrote:
Lastly this machine is in production and cannot be rebooted.

Stop the NTP daemon and restart it so that it uses the -x option. From 
ntpd(8):
 Note: Since the slew rate is limited to 0.5 ms/s, 
each
 second of adjustment requires an amortization interval of 
2000 s.
 Thus, an adjustment of many seconds can take hours or 
days to
 amortize.  This option can be used with the -q option.

When you restart it make sure it's done with all the CLI options it has 
now, with the addition of the -x.

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RE: Adjusting time on a secured FreeBSD machine.

2005-02-03 Thread Rob MacGregor
On Thursday, February 03, 2005 5:57 PM, Eli K. Breen  unleashed the infinite
monkeys and produced:

 I'm not sure that this will cut it as it will days a very long time to
 adjust to the proper time. Is there any way to speed this up?

Not within NTPd itself.  You could go with manually stepping the time in 1s
intervals.  It's either that or drop the securelevel in rc.conf and reboot (then
reset the securelevel).

Of course, you probably want to make sure the hardware clock has a vaguely
accurate idea of time.  That'll help in future.

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Re: Adjusting time on a secured FreeBSD machine.

2005-02-03 Thread Oliver Fromme
Rob MacGregor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Eli K. Breen wrote:
   I'm not sure that this will cut it as it will days a very long time to
   adjust to the proper time. Is there any way to speed this up?
  
  Not within NTPd itself.  You could go with manually stepping the time in 1s
  intervals.

Adding to that, the following /bin/sh snippet should do
(untested!).  You have to kill ntpd before.

STEP=100# number of seconds to step forward
while [ $STEP -gt 0 ]; do
date -f %s $(( `date +%s` + 1 ))
sleep 1
STEP=$(( $STEP - 1 ))
done

It will take about 100 seconds to correct the clock forward
by another 100 seconds.  If you need to correct backwards,
replace + 1 by - 1.  For different numbers of seconds
to correct, replace the 100 in the first line.

When you have approached the correct time sufficiently (i.e.
within a few seconds), restart ntpd with the -x option.

Best regards
   Oliver

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Re: Adjusting time on a secured FreeBSD machine.

2005-02-03 Thread Oliver Fromme
Sorry for replying to myself ...

Oliver Fromme [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Adding to that, the following /bin/sh snippet should do
  (untested!).  You have to kill ntpd before.
  
  STEP=100# number of seconds to step forward
  while [ $STEP -gt 0 ]; do
  date -f %s $(( `date +%s` + 1 ))
  sleep 1
  STEP=$(( $STEP - 1 ))
  done
  
  It will take about 100 seconds to correct the clock forward
  by another 100 seconds.  If you need to correct backwards,
  replace + 1 by - 1.  For different numbers of seconds
  to correct, replace the 100 in the first line.
  
  When you have approached the correct time sufficiently (i.e.
  within a few seconds), restart ntpd with the -x option.

Stepping backwards with that script won't work, I guess,
because the steps will be larger than 1 second.  If you
have to step backwards, try to replace the date line
with these:

NOW=`date +%s`
sleep 0.9
date -f %s $NOW

Again: it's untested.

Also beware that it might be a very bad idea to step the
time on a live multi-user system.  Some programs don't like
it at all.

Best regards
   Oliver

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Re: [HEADS UP] perl symlinks in /usr/bin will be gone

2005-02-03 Thread Christian Weisgerber
Chuck Swiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Well-behaved 3rd party scripts ought to start Perl via:
 #! /usr/bin/env perl

Why should the authors of those scripts break them for systems which
have /bin/env?

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Re: [HEADS UP] perl symlinks in /usr/bin will be gone

2005-02-03 Thread Dan Nelson
In the last episode (Feb 03), Christian Weisgerber said:
 Chuck Swiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Well-behaved 3rd party scripts ought to start Perl via:
  #! /usr/bin/env perl
 
 Why should the authors of those scripts break them for systems which
 have /bin/env?

Are there any systems that have a /bin/env (and that do not also have a
/bin - /usr/bin symlink)?

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Re: [HEADS UP] perl symlinks in /usr/bin will be gone

2005-02-03 Thread Charles Swiger
On Feb 3, 2005, at 2:07 PM, Christian Weisgerber wrote:
Well-behaved 3rd party scripts ought to start Perl via:
#! /usr/bin/env perl
Why should the authors of those scripts break them for systems which
have /bin/env?
Name one such system. [1]
Hint: the path to env isn't going to change on a standards-compliant 
system for the same reason that /bin/sh is always found in the same 
place.  See IEEE Std 1003.x-2001 (POSIX).

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[1]: You might actually find a few very old, very broken versions of 
Linux which don't have a /bin/sh, only a /bin/bash.  I've heard such 
creatures may have a /bin/env rather than a /usr/bin/env, too.

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Re: FreeBSD 5.4 Release Schedule

2005-02-03 Thread Ken Smith
On Thu, Feb 03, 2005 at 11:54:02AM +0100, Ivan Voras wrote:
 
 Ok, so the plan is to MFC the changes into RELENG_5? AFAIK, the ULE code 
 in RELENG_5 is still the same as in 5.3-release.
 

That's correct.

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ATA mkIII first official patches - please test!

2005-02-03 Thread Søren Schmidt
ATA-mkIII first official snapshot.
This is the much rumoured ATA update that I've been working on for some time.
It contains a number of new things, and lacks a few features of the old code.
New items include:
o   ATA is now fully newbus'd and split into modules.
This means that on a modern system you just load atapci and ata
to get the base support, and then one or more of the device
subdrivers atadisk atapicd atapifd atapist ataraid.
All can be loaded/unloaded anytime, but for obvious reasons you
dont want to unload atadisk when you have mounted filesystems.
o   The device identify part of the probe has been rewritten to fix
the problems with odd devices the old had, and to try to remove
so of the long delays some HW could provoke.
o   SATA devices can be hot inserted/removed and devices will be created/
removed in /dev accordingly. NOTE only supported on controllers that
has this feature: Promise and Silicon Image for now.
o   ATA RAID support has been rewritten and and now supports these
metadata formats:
Adaptec HostRAID
Highpoint V2 RocketRAID
Highpoint V3 RocketRAID
Intel MatrixRAID
Integrated Technology Express
LSILogic V2 MegaRAID
LSILogic V3 MegaRAID
Promise FastTrak
Silicon Image Medley
o   The reinit code has been worked over to be much more robust.
o   The timeout code has been overhauled for races.
o   Lots of fixes for bugs found while doing the modulerization and
reviewing the old code.
Missing features form current ATA:
o   atapi-cd no longer has support for ATAPI changers. Todays its
much cheaper and alot faster to copy those CD images to disk
and serve them from there. Besides they dont seem to be made
anymore, maybe for that exact reason.
o   ATA RAID can only read metadata not write them. This means that
arrays can be picked up from the BIOS, but they cannot be created
from FreeBSD. This is being worked on for the final release as is
RAID5 support for Promise/Highpoing/SiI controllers.
o   The atapi-cam author has been informed and has had early access
to this work but so far atapicam is not supported with these
changes. However I do have my own atacam that puts both ATA and ATAPI
devices under CAM, but its really just academic at this point.
And then there all the things that I've happily forgotten about :)
The snapshot is available as a patch for RELENG_5 and for CURRENT, and
a common tarfile of the new ATA code.
http://people.freebsd.org/~sos/ata-mk3j.diff-releng5.gz
http://people.freebsd.org/~sos/ata-mk3j.diff-current.gz
http://people.freebsd.org/~sos/ata-mk3j.tar.gz
Both patches and the tarfile is relative to /usr/src.
You might want to remove the contents of sys/dev/ata/ before unpacking
the tarfile.
No changes are needed to your config file, unless you want ATA as modules.
As usual, even if it works on all the HW I have here in the lab, thats by
far not the same as it works on YOUR system. So use glowes and safety shoes
and if it breaks I dont want the pieces, but would like to hear the nifty
details on how exactly it got that way :)
Enjoy!
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Re: [HEADS UP] perl symlinks in /usr/bin will be gone

2005-02-03 Thread Christian Weisgerber
Charles Swiger:

 Why should the authors of those scripts break them for systems which
 have /bin/env?
 
 Name one such system. [1]

There was a discussion about this a few years ago on comp.unix.shell.
Let's see...
http://tinyurl.com/45zqx

Ah, I see, the starting point was actually the reverse assumption
that all systems had /bin/env.  Somebody mentioned /sbin/env on
Irix, but I don't know whether that was instead of /usr/bin/env or
in addition to it.

Of course I can always handwave in the direction of those hundreds
of Linux distributions...

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Re: [HEADS UP] perl symlinks in /usr/bin will be gone

2005-02-03 Thread Charles Swiger
On Feb 3, 2005, at 3:55 PM, Christian Weisgerber wrote:
[ ... ]
Ah, I see, the starting point was actually the reverse assumption
that all systems had /bin/env.  Somebody mentioned /sbin/env on
Irix, but I don't know whether that was instead of /usr/bin/env or
in addition to it.
Of course I can always handwave in the direction of those hundreds
of Linux distributions...
Rather than pursue a discussion about systems which neither of us 
actually uses (or anyone else on this list, probably), I would be just 
as happy to acknowledge whatever it is your point was and let this 
thread die peacefully.

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strange make problem with non root users 5.3-STABLE

2005-02-03 Thread Chris
have a look at this compiling a eggdrop had the same with some other
apps as well.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] eggdrop1.6.17 # make config
make: Permission denied
[EMAIL PROTECTED] eggdrop1.6.17 # make config
make: Permission denied
[EMAIL PROTECTED] eggdrop1.6.17 # cd ..
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gazzeh # cd eggdrop1.6.17
[EMAIL PROTECTED] eggdrop1.6.17 # make config
Detecting modules done.
Calculating dependencies... done.
Building ./src/mod/Makefile... done.

As you can see make gave a weird perm denied error then I simply
changed dir and back and the command suddenly works, I have worked out
when this happens doing a new command and then trying again makes it
work.  Any idea what could cause this?

-r-xr-xr-x  1 root  wheel  305232 Feb  3 19:43 /usr/bin/make

Chris
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Re: ATA mkIII first official patches - please test!

2005-02-03 Thread Steve Kargl
On Thu, Feb 03, 2005 at 09:52:57PM +0100, S?ren Schmidt wrote:
 
 As usual, even if it works on all the HW I have here in the lab, thats by
 far not the same as it works on YOUR system. So use glowes and safety shoes
 and if it breaks I dont want the pieces, but would like to hear the nifty
 details on how exactly it got that way :)
 

THANK YOU!  This is the first time since 7 Dec 04 that I've
been able to boot a current -CURRENT on my Dell Inspiron 4150
laptop.

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Re: ATA mkIII first official patches - please test!

2005-02-03 Thread Pascal Hofstee
On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 21:52:57 +0100, Søren Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 ATA-mkIII first official snapshot.

Using it without any problems on a few days old 6.0-CURRENT (P2 400 MHz)
I decided to take the plunge and go for the kernel-module-approach.

The only thing i was curious about is if there is any way to build the
kernel-module using ATA_STATIC_ID .. (as i used to do in my normal
kernel-configs)

Beyond that,  it works like a charm :)
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Re: ATA mkIII first official patches - please test!

2005-02-03 Thread Pascal Hofstee
On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 18:40:43 -0800, Pascal Hofstee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The only thing i was curious about is if there is any way to build the
 kernel-module using ATA_STATIC_ID .. (as i used to do in my normal
 kernel-configs)

Ok .. I whacked myself with the proverbial clue-stick .. and simply
put the ATA_STATIC_ID line back into my kernel-config. Even though i
chose not to build ata-support not into the actual kernel the
opt_ata.h file is of course still used in building the actual
kernel-modules.

Excuse the line noise :)

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Re: 5.3 - 5 : sshd multiple log entries login_getclass: unknown class 'root'

2005-02-03 Thread Doug White
On Tue, 1 Feb 2005, Andrew Konstantinov wrote:

   I can't reproduce this on my systems, many of which started at 5.3 and now
   build 5-stable.  Are you using the system ssh or one you built from ports?
  
   What is the output of 'ls -l /etc/login.conf*'?

 I knew I wasn't hallucinating. When I rebuild and reinstall src/lib/libc
 from RELENG_5_3 sources on RELENG_5 system, all of the above problems
 disappear altogether. The bugs are in the dynamically linked library
 that sshd relies on. Once the new library is in place and
 /etc/rc.d/sshd restart is performed, the bugs disappear. I don't have
 time to dig into that right now, but I'll be back with patches.

The simple fact stands that noone else can reproduce this, which leads me
to believe you took a non-standard approach to upgrading, and therefore
are getting what you asked for. :-)

If you can provide exact reproduction steps, starting from bare metal,
I'll follow them.

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Re: Geom RAID root report.

2005-02-03 Thread Doug White
On Tue, 1 Feb 2005, David Gilbert wrote:

 Gmirror on the fix-it CD appears to be impotent.  It appears to have
 only 'help', 'list', 'load' and 'unload' as commands.  Not useful.

If you manually load the geom_mirror.ko kernel module it probably gets
useful. Someone pointed out that there's a hardwired path in there
somewhere so load will fail, but if you load the module manually then
the commands become available.  I'll have to test it.

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