Re: em and bge driver MPSAFE?

2005-05-22 Thread John-Mark Gurney
Mipam wrote this message on Wed, May 11, 2005 at 16:39 +0200:
 Perhaps lame to ask,
 But are the em and bge driver MPSAFE?
 I couldn't find notes about being mpsafe in the man pages of these 
 drivers?

I was about to point you to:
http://www.freebsd.org/projects/busdma/

But realized that you probably wanted status on 5.x, and not HEAD...

a quick look at the code shows that both em and bge are MPSAFE... I
can tell because of no references to Giant or GIANT, and that it using
XX_LOCK and has functions ending in _locked in them...

Maybe we need to expand the busdma project to include which driver
status for 5.x and HEAD?

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snd_via8233 problems on 5.4-STABLE WAS: Re: CMI9761 soundchip

2005-05-22 Thread Holger Kipp
On Sun, May 22, 2005 at 12:53:20PM +0300, Vladimir Terziev wrote:

 i have ASRock motherboard with CMI9761 sound chip, same as you.
 Also i have the same problem with FreeBSD 5.4-R as you :(
 
 Did you find some solution?

No. If I load snd_via8233 via loader.conf, it will not set all
volumes to 75:75 (maybe it bails out at ogain which it can't
find), so speaker is left at 0:0 wich results in this terrible
beep.

Loading snd_via8233 afterwards by hand works, though.

The only thing I then get in /var/log/messages is:

pcm0: VIA VT8237 port 0xd000-0xd0ff irq 22 at device 17.5 on pci0
pcm0: Unknown AC97 Codec (id = 0x434d4983)

(this is ASRock K7UPGRADE-880/A/ASR-Board)

Patches eg to snd_via8233 are welcome :-)

Regards,
Holger
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usb-mouse initialization timing on 5.4-STABLE ?

2005-05-22 Thread Holger Kipp
Hello,

since my last upgrade (about a week ago) the system
sometimes won't recognise my usb-mouse during boot.(*)

Is it possible that this is a timing issue, ie usb-
initialisation and mouse-initialization have a 
race-condition here?

Replugging usb-mouse does help, though.

(*) unfortunately this also coincides with changing the
mainboard from ASRock K7VT2/SA/LAN/ASRK to K7UPGRADE-880/A/ASR :-(


Regards,
Holger Kipp



dmesg (where initialization worked) below.


Copyright (c) 1992-2005 The FreeBSD Project.
Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994
The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved.
FreeBSD 5.4-STABLE #8: Sat May 21 14:47:17 CEST 2005
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KATRIN
ACPI APIC Table: A M I  OEMAPIC 
Timecounter i8254 frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0
CPU: AMD Duron(tm)  (1300.06-MHz 686-class CPU)
  Origin = AuthenticAMD  Id = 0x671  Stepping = 1
  
Features=0x383fbffFPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,MMX,FXSR,SSE
  AMD Features=0xc040AMIE,DSP,3DNow!
real memory  = 536543232 (511 MB)
avail memory = 515383296 (491 MB)
ioapic0: Changing APIC ID to 1
MADT: Forcing active-low polarity and level trigger for SCI
ioapic0 Version 0.3 irqs 0-23 on motherboard
npx0: math processor on motherboard
npx0: INT 16 interface
acpi0: A M I OEMRSDT on motherboard
acpi0: Power Button (fixed)
Timecounter ACPI-fast frequency 3579545 Hz quality 1000
acpi_timer0: 24-bit timer at 3.579545MHz port 0x808-0x80b on acpi0
cpu0: ACPI CPU on acpi0
pcib0: ACPI Host-PCI bridge port 0xcf8-0xcff on acpi0
pci0: ACPI PCI bus on pcib0
agp0: VIA KT880 host to PCI bridge mem 0xe000-0xe3ff at device 0.0 on 
pci0
pcib1: ACPI PCI-PCI bridge at device 1.0 on pci0
pci1: ACPI PCI bus on pcib1
pci1: display, VGA at device 0.0 (no driver attached)
atapci0: VIA 6420 SATA150 controller port 
0xd800-0xd8ff,0xdc00-0xdc0f,0xe000-0xe003,0xe400-0xe407,0xe800-0xe803,0xec00-0xec07
 
irq 20 at device 15.0 on pci0
ata2: channel #0 on atapci0
ata3: channel #1 on atapci0
atapci1: VIA 8237 UDMA133 controller port 
0xfc00-0xfc0f,0x376,0x170-0x177,0x3f6,0x1f0-0x1f7 at device 15.1 on pci0
ata0: channel #0 on atapci1
ata1: channel #1 on atapci1
uhci0: VIA 83C572 USB controller port 0xc000-0xc01f irq 21 at device 16.0 on 
pci0
usb0: VIA 83C572 USB controller on uhci0
usb0: USB revision 1.0
uhub0: VIA UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1
uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered
uhci1: VIA 83C572 USB controller port 0xc400-0xc41f irq 21 at device 16.1 on 
pci0
usb1: VIA 83C572 USB controller on uhci1
usb1: USB revision 1.0
uhub1: VIA UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1
uhub1: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered
uhci2: VIA 83C572 USB controller port 0xc800-0xc81f irq 21 at device 16.2 on 
pci0
usb2: VIA 83C572 USB controller on uhci2
usb2: USB revision 1.0
uhub2: VIA UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1
uhub2: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered
uhci3: VIA 83C572 USB controller port 0xcc00-0xcc1f irq 21 at device 16.3 on 
pci0
usb3: VIA 83C572 USB controller on uhci3
usb3: USB revision 1.0
uhub3: VIA UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1
uhub3: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered
pci0: serial bus, USB at device 16.4 (no driver attached)
isab0: PCI-ISA bridge at device 17.0 on pci0
isa0: ISA bus on isab0
pci0: multimedia, audio at device 17.5 (no driver attached)
vr0: VIA VT6102 Rhine II 10/100BaseTX port 0xd400-0xd4ff mem 
0xfebffc00-0xfebffcff irq 23 at device 18.0 on pci0
miibus0: MII bus on vr0
ukphy0: Generic IEEE 802.3u media interface on miibus0
ukphy0:  10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto
vr0: Ethernet address: 00:0b:6a:c0:00:ce
acpi_button0: Power Button on acpi0
fdc0: floppy drive controller (FDE) port 0x3f7,0x3f0-0x3f5 irq 6 drq 2 on 
acpi0
fd0: 1440-KB 3.5 drive on fdc0 drive 0
ppc0: ECP parallel printer port port 0x778-0x77b,0x378-0x37f irq 7 drq 3 on 
acpi0
ppc0: SMC-like chipset (ECP/EPP/PS2/NIBBLE) in COMPATIBLE mode
ppc0: FIFO with 16/16/9 bytes threshold
ppbus0: Parallel port bus on ppc0
ppbus0: IEEE1284 device found /NIBBLE/ECP
Probing for PnP devices on ppbus0:
ppbus0: HEWLETT-PACKARD DESKJET 640C MLC,PCL,PML
plip0: PLIP network interface on ppbus0
lpt0: Printer on ppbus0
lpt0: Interrupt-driven port
ppi0: Parallel I/O on ppbus0
atkbdc0: Keyboard controller (i8042) port 0x64,0x60 irq 1 on acpi0
atkbd0: AT Keyboard irq 1 on atkbdc0
kbd0 at atkbd0
sio0: configured irq 4 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0
sio0: port may not be enabled
sio0: 16550A-compatible COM port port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on acpi0
sio0: type 16550A
pmtimer0 on isa0
sc0: System console at flags 0x100 on isa0
sc0: VGA 16 virtual consoles, flags=0x300
vga0: Generic ISA VGA at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa-0xb on isa0
sio1: configured irq 3 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0
sio1: port may not be enabled
ums0: vendor 0x1241 product 0x1122, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 2, iclass 3/1
ums0: 5 

Re: snd_via8233 problems on 5.4-STABLE WAS: Re: CMI9761 soundchip

2005-05-22 Thread Holger Kipp
On Sun, May 22, 2005 at 01:39:48PM +0300, Vladimir Terziev wrote:
 
   Currently i have the same situation. pcm driver says:
   pcm0: Unknown AC97 Codec (id = 0x434d4983)
   The id 0x434d4983 is CMI9761, but it seems the kernel doesn't know 
 nothing about it :(

This could be changed simply by 

--- ac97.c.orig Sun May 22 13:18:03 2005
+++ ac97.c  Sun May 22 13:19:59 2005
@@ -156,6 +156,7 @@
{ 0x43525940, 0x07, 0, CS4201,0 },
{ 0x43525958, 0x07, 0, CS4205,0 },
{ 0x43525960, 0x07, 0, CS4291A,   0 },
+   { 0x434d4983, 0x00, 0, CMI9761,   0 },
{ 0x434d4961, 0x00, 0, CMI9739,   0 },
{ 0x434d4941, 0x00, 0, CMI9738,   0 },
{ 0x43585421, 0x00, 0, HSD11246,  0 },

but I doubt that this will really help, because the CMI9761
also supports 5.1-Sound, at least according to alsa-changes:

http://alsa.mirror.fr/kernel-patches/mm/3118.patch

so some additional handling of specific bits is presumably needed.

Regards,
Holger Kipp

 On Sun, 22 May 2005 12:33:50 +0200
 Holger Kipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  On Sun, May 22, 2005 at 12:53:20PM +0300, Vladimir Terziev wrote:
  
   i have ASRock motherboard with CMI9761 sound chip, same as you.
   Also i have the same problem with FreeBSD 5.4-R as you :(
   
   Did you find some solution?
  
  No. If I load snd_via8233 via loader.conf, it will not set all
  volumes to 75:75 (maybe it bails out at ogain which it can't
  find), so speaker is left at 0:0 wich results in this terrible
  beep.
  
  Loading snd_via8233 afterwards by hand works, though.
  
  The only thing I then get in /var/log/messages is:
  
  pcm0: VIA VT8237 port 0xd000-0xd0ff irq 22 at device 17.5 on pci0
  pcm0: Unknown AC97 Codec (id = 0x434d4983)
  
  (this is ASRock K7UPGRADE-880/A/ASR-Board)
  
  Patches eg to snd_via8233 are welcome :-)
  
  Regards,
  Holger
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2005-05-22 Thread Tuomo Latto

Would it be possible to force the mailing list software to
rename recipient header freebsd-stable@freebsd.org to
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I mean it seems like half the people on the list use
freebsd-stable@freebsd.org address and the other half
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A lot of times people manage to add the missing version of
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(along with the rest of the list readers) end up getting
the same message twice. It's bad enough when you get the same
message twice if you get it both via pm and list, but getting
two copies of the same post via list is just stupid.
Any chance of having something done to change this?


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Re: snd_via8233 problems on 5.4-STABLE WAS: Re: CMI9761 soundchip

2005-05-22 Thread Holger Kipp
On Sun, May 22, 2005 at 01:35:46PM +0200, Holger Kipp wrote:
 On Sun, May 22, 2005 at 01:39:48PM +0300, Vladimir Terziev wrote:
  
  Currently i have the same situation. pcm driver says:
  pcm0: Unknown AC97 Codec (id = 0x434d4983)
  The id 0x434d4983 is CMI9761, but it seems the kernel
  doesn't know nothing about it :(
 
 This could be changed simply by 
 
 --- ac97.c.orig Sun May 22 13:18:03 2005
 +++ ac97.c  Sun May 22 13:19:59 2005
 @@ -156,6 +156,7 @@
 { 0x43525940, 0x07, 0, CS4201,0 },
 { 0x43525958, 0x07, 0, CS4205,0 },
 { 0x43525960, 0x07, 0, CS4291A,   0 },
 +   { 0x434d4983, 0x00, 0, CMI9761,   0 },
 { 0x434d4961, 0x00, 0, CMI9739,   0 },
 { 0x434d4941, 0x00, 0, CMI9738,   0 },
 { 0x43585421, 0x00, 0, HSD11246,  0 },

Yes, that helps with recognizing, but not with the anoying tone.

# kldload snd_via8233
pcm0: VIA VT8237 port 0xd000-0xd0ff irq 22 at device 17.5 on pci0
pcm0: C-Media Electronics CMI9761 AC97 Codec

# kldunload snd_via8233
= loud xHz-tone.

i have ASRock motherboard with CMI9761 sound chip, same as you.
Also i have the same problem with FreeBSD 5.4-R as you :(

Did you find some solution?
   
   No. If I load snd_via8233 via loader.conf, it will not set all
   volumes to 75:75 (maybe it bails out at ogain which it can't
   find), so speaker is left at 0:0 wich results in this terrible
   beep.
   
   Loading snd_via8233 afterwards by hand works, though.
   
   The only thing I then get in /var/log/messages is:
   
   pcm0: VIA VT8237 port 0xd000-0xd0ff irq 22 at device 17.5 on pci0
   pcm0: Unknown AC97 Codec (id = 0x434d4983)
   
   (this is ASRock K7UPGRADE-880/A/ASR-Board)
   
   Patches eg to snd_via8233 are welcome :-)
   
   Regards,
   Holger
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Highpoint HPT371 support (kern/59624)

2005-05-22 Thread Oliver Fromme
Hi,

Why is kern/59624 still open?  It's about 1,5 years old.
Would someone please commit it?  Or, if it cannot be
commited, please tell me why.  If any information is
missing (pcicon -lv output, verbose dmesg or whatever),
I'd be happy to provide it.

The patch in that PR brings support for the Highpoint HPT371
ATA133 controller to FreeBSD 4-stable (it's supported in
FreeBSD 5 for a long time already).  The patch is fairly
trivial, and I'm running 4.x with that patch for almost two
years, using various devices connected to my HPT371 (a DVD-
ROM drive, a DVD-R/W recorder, several UDMA harddisks using
hot-swap via atacontrol detach/attach).

Zero problems so far, except that I have to merge the patch
each time I update my world.  :-)

Thank you very much.

Best regards
   Oliver

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[4.11-STABLE] sporatic directory corruption with unionfs ...

2005-05-22 Thread Marc G. Fournier


I have 6 servers in place right now, with the 6th being a brand new Intel 
1U box, using a 3Ware 9500 controller to do RAID5 for 3xSATA drives ... 
yesterday, for the first time, I've started to get a sort of file system 
corruption that I've never seen before ... basically, it looks like the 
directory entries are getting corrupted, but the files themselves are fine 
...


Basically, I have a jail, with /usr in the jail being a unionfs from a 
template ... so:


mount_union -b /template/usr /jail/usr

in the template, there is a directory /usr/local/cyrus/bin, for instance 
... the binaries under /usr/local/cyrus/bin are literally disappearing, as 
if someone were entring that directory and doing a 'rm' of those files ...


I have a serial console attached to this server, and there are no errors 
being reported by the operating system ... tw_cli is showing that drives 
and unit are both functioning properly ... so I can find no reasons for 
the apparent corruption ...


I just brought the server down to single user mode, and umounted 
everything so that I could do an fsck on the file system itself, and *its* 
checking as being clean ... its still running though, so there may be 
something at the end ...


When I first noticed this, yesterday, the server had been running 11 days, 
and nothing in /var/log/messages to indicate a problem ... today, after 
24hrs, its done it again, and again, no errors being generated anywhere 
to indicate a problem ...


All the other 5 servers are running SCSI ... but unless there is a bug in 
the 9500 driver, I can't see it being hardware related ...


I've kinda always expected something like this might happen with unionfs 
as a result of the server crashing, but not when its running fine ...


I don't know what else to add to this, unfortunately, since neither the 
hardware, or the operating system, seem to want to give anything up :(


The OS is from April 11th, so is relatively recent ...

Any suggestions/ideas on what else to look at would be much appreciated 
...


Thank you ...


Marc G. Fournier   Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org)
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[4.11-STABLE] sporatic directory corruption with unionfs ...

2005-05-22 Thread Marc G. Fournier


I have 6 servers in place right now, with the 6th being a brand new Intel 
1U box, using a 3Ware 9500 controller to do RAID5 for 3xSATA drives ... 
yesterday, for the first time, I've started to get a sort of file system 
corruption that I've never seen before ... basically, it looks like the 
directory entries are getting corrupted, but the files themselves are fine 
...


Basically, I have a jail, with /usr in the jail being a unionfs from a 
template ... so:


mount_union -b /template/usr /jail/usr

in the template, there is a directory /usr/local/cyrus/bin, for instance 
... the binaries under /usr/local/cyrus/bin are literally disappearing, as 
if someone were entring that directory and doing a 'rm' of those files ...


I have a serial console attached to this server, and there are no errors 
being reported by the operating system ... tw_cli is showing that drives 
and unit are both functioning properly ... so I can find no reasons for 
the apparent corruption ...


I just brought the server down to single user mode, and umounted 
everything so that I could do an fsck on the file system itself, and *its* 
checking as being clean ... its still running though, so there may be 
something at the end ...


When I first noticed this, yesterday, the server had been running 11 days, 
and nothing in /var/log/messages to indicate a problem ... today, after 
24hrs, its done it again, and again, no errors being generated anywhere 
to indicate a problem ...


All the other 5 servers are running SCSI ... but unless there is a bug in 
the 9500 driver, I can't see it being hardware related ...


I've kinda always expected something like this might happen with unionfs 
as a result of the server crashing, but not when its running fine ...


I don't know what else to add to this, unfortunately, since neither the 
hardware, or the operating system, seem to want to give anything up :(


The OS is from April 11th, so is relatively recent ...

Any suggestions/ideas on what else to look at would be much appreciated 
...


Thank you ...


Marc G. Fournier   Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org)
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can't assign requested address with ntpd on 5-STABLE

2005-05-22 Thread Richard Coleman
On 5-STABLE, when I try to start ntpd, I get the following error: bind() 
fd 7, family 28, port 123, addr fe80:1::2a0:c9ff:fec8:ea25, 
in6_is_addr_multicast=0 flags=0 fails: Can't assign requested address


I've used netstat to check and nothing else is on that port (other than 
sshd, there is nothing else on the box).


My ntp.conf line only has one line server time-a.nist.gov.  All other 
configuration for ntpd is the default.


I googled for this error and got several hits.  It was suggested to add 
the line disable auth to ntp.conf.  But in this case I still received 
the same error.


I'm am running a recent 5-STABLE box (built yesterday).  The kernel is 
equivalant to GENERIC with the exception that I've commented out the 
I486_CPU and i586_CPU lines.


Anyone else seen this recently.

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Re: Dell PowerEdge 1855

2005-05-22 Thread Danny Braniss
 Hi Doug,
 
 Sorry for taking so long to reply on this, been on 3 weeks leave...
 
 On Fri, 8 Apr 2005, Doug White wrote:
 
  On Wed, 6 Apr 2005, Carl Makin wrote:
 
   The boot sequence will hang if the USB drive is attached at boot.  There
 
  It seems to be acting like Uthe USB controller isn't getting interrupts.
  Does the problem recur on the installed system?
 
 Yes it did however that chassis and the servers were a test loaner and
 have been returned.  We have decided to go with the 1855 though (our
 windows guy was *very* enthusiastic about them) and when they arrive I'll
 run the tests you suggested.
 
 Thanks!

so now i'm testing one too :-), any nice things to say about this blade?
while trying out the scsi the blade panics :-)
and as to cpu/memory power, it seems to be slower than the pe-1750

danny


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Syntax Error in Kernel

2005-05-22 Thread Nathan Mace
I'm trying to add support for my Palm to my Freebsd 5-Stable box.  I have found 
the following web page which describes what kernel options need to be present.

http://www.thedotin.net/maillists/coldsync-hackers/msg01954.html

It lists the following options has being required.

pseudo-device   ppp 1   # Kernel PPP
pseudo-device   tun # Packet tunnel.
device  uhci# UHCI PCI-USB interface
device  ohci# OHCI PCI-USB interface
device  usb # USB Bus (required)
device  uvisor
device  ucom

However when I run config on my kernel, I get a syntax error on the line that 
adds ppp.  Anyone hav any ideas as to why this might be happening?  Thanks.

Nathan

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Re: Dell PowerEdge 1855

2005-05-22 Thread Danny Braniss
  Hi Doug,
  
  Sorry for taking so long to reply on this, been on 3 weeks leave...
  
  On Fri, 8 Apr 2005, Doug White wrote:
  
   On Wed, 6 Apr 2005, Carl Makin wrote:
  
The boot sequence will hang if the USB drive is attached at boot.  There
  
   It seems to be acting like Uthe USB controller isn't getting interrupts.
   Does the problem recur on the installed system?
  
  Yes it did however that chassis and the servers were a test loaner and
  have been returned.  We have decided to go with the 1855 though (our
  windows guy was *very* enthusiastic about them) and when they arrive I'll
  run the tests you suggested.
  
  Thanks!
 
 so now i'm testing one too :-), any nice things to say about this blade?
 while trying out the scsi the blade panics :-)
 and as to cpu/memory power, it seems to be slower than the pe-1750
 
 danny

nothing like talking to oneself :-)

i disabled the mirrowing, and now the disk io is nice, and more importanly, the
system does not panic, i guess the mpt/(aka da0: DELL VIRTUAL DISK  IM 1998) 
needs some work still :-)

danny


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Re: Syntax Error in Kernel

2005-05-22 Thread Xin LI
Hi, Nathan,

On Sun, May 22, 2005 at 02:46:22PM +, Nathan Mace wrote:
 I'm trying to add support for my Palm to my Freebsd 5-Stable box.  I have 
 found the following web page which describes what kernel options need to be 
 present.
 
 http://www.thedotin.net/maillists/coldsync-hackers/msg01954.html
 
 It lists the following options has being required.
 
 pseudo-device   ppp 1   # Kernel PPP
 pseudo-device   tun # Packet tunnel.
 device  uhci# UHCI PCI-USB interface
 device  ohci# OHCI PCI-USB interface
 device  usb # USB Bus (required)
 device  uvisor
 device  ucom
 
 However when I run config on my kernel, I get a syntax error on the line 
 that adds ppp.  Anyone hav any ideas as to why this might be happening?  
 Thanks.

I think you generally want device ppp and device tun on 5-STABLE
boxes, the pseudo-device ppp 1 has gone long ago...

Also, the examples in sys/[ARCH]/conf/GENERIC would be helpful for
reference.  You may obtain a more detailed list by running make LINT
under the conf directory.  For descriptions of kernel options, check
out the NOTES files found in architecture dependent conf directories,
and sys/conf.

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hw.ata.atapi_dma in 5.4-RELEASE-p1

2005-05-22 Thread Janet Sullivan
I am unable to get my DVD or CD drives out of PIO4 mode on two machines. 
 One has an ICH3 controller, the other is Nforce2 based.


When I put hw.ata.atapi_dma=1 in /boot/loader.conf and reboot, I'm 
still stuck in PIO4.  What am I doing wrong?

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Re: Syntax Error in Kernel

2005-05-22 Thread Nathan Mace

That seems to have done it.  Thanks.

I had looked in the GENERIC and NOTES file, and noticed that those  
options didn't appear, but I couldn't find anything that said they  
were no long used like that, and I couldn't find anything that told  
me what to use in their place.


Thanks for the help.

Nathan


On May 22, 2005, at 11:20 AM, Xin LI wrote:


Hi, Nathan,

On Sun, May 22, 2005 at 02:46:22PM +, Nathan Mace wrote:

I'm trying to add support for my Palm to my Freebsd 5-Stable box.   
I have found the following web page which describes what kernel  
options need to be present.


http://www.thedotin.net/maillists/coldsync-hackers/msg01954.html

It lists the following options has being required.

pseudo-device   ppp 1   # Kernel PPP
pseudo-device   tun # Packet tunnel.
device  uhci# UHCI PCI-USB interface
device  ohci# OHCI PCI-USB interface
device  usb # USB Bus (required)
device  uvisor
device  ucom

However when I run config on my kernel, I get a syntax error on  
the line that adds ppp.  Anyone hav any ideas as to why this  
might be happening?  Thanks.




I think you generally want device ppp and device tun on 5-STABLE
boxes, the pseudo-device ppp 1 has gone long ago...

Also, the examples in sys/[ARCH]/conf/GENERIC would be helpful for
reference.  You may obtain a more detailed list by running make LINT
under the conf directory.  For descriptions of kernel options, check
out the NOTES files found in architecture dependent conf directories,
and sys/conf.

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Re: drive failure during rebuild causes page fault

2005-05-22 Thread Joe Rhett
 You need to overwrite the metadata (se above) which are located in
 different places again depending on metadata format.
 
 So where is it located with the sil3114 controler?
 (same as 3112, but with 4 ports...)
 
On Sun, May 22, 2005 at 12:45:05AM +0200, Søren Schmidt wrote:
 Depends on what BIOS you have on there, several exists for the SiI  
 chips, -current or mkIII would tell you which. Just null out the last  
 63 sectors on the disks and you should be fine since all possible  
 formats are in that range...
 
I know how to do this using dd from the start of the disk.  How do I do
this at the end of the disk?

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Re: drive failure during rebuild causes page fault

2005-05-22 Thread Søren Schmidt


On 22/05/2005, at 18:11, Joe Rhett wrote:


You need to overwrite the metadata (se above) which are located in
different places again depending on metadata format.



So where is it located with the sil3114 controler?
(same as 3112, but with 4 ports...)



On Sun, May 22, 2005 at 12:45:05AM +0200, Søren Schmidt wrote:


Depends on what BIOS you have on there, several exists for the SiI
chips, -current or mkIII would tell you which. Just null out the last
63 sectors on the disks and you should be fine since all possible
formats are in that range...



I know how to do this using dd from the start of the disk.  How do  
I do

this at the end of the disk?


man dd ? :)

you need to get the size of the disk in sectors (hint atacontrol)

then you do dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/adN oseek=(size-63)

- Søren


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Re: hw.ata.atapi_dma in 5.4-RELEASE-p1

2005-05-22 Thread Michael Nottebrock
On Sunday, 22. May 2005 17:29, Janet Sullivan wrote:
 I am unable to get my DVD or CD drives out of PIO4 mode on two machines.
   One has an ICH3 controller, the other is Nforce2 based.

 When I put hw.ata.atapi_dma=1 in /boot/loader.conf and reboot, I'm
 still stuck in PIO4.  What am I doing wrong?

The drives probably don't support any UDMA modes. WDMA modes aren't enabled 
for atapi devices because there's a very large number of devices which don't 
implement them right or not at all, yet claim to support them.

You can enable whatever DMA modes those drives support with the atacontrol 
utility after the kernel has booted up.

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hw.ata.atapi_dma in 5.4-RELEASE-p1

2005-05-22 Thread Janet Sullivan



When I put hw.ata.atapi_dma=1 in /boot/loader.conf and reboot, I'm
still stuck in PIO4.  What am I doing wrong?


The drives probably don't support any UDMA modes. WDMA modes aren't enabled 
for atapi devices because there's a very large number of devices which don't 
implement them right or not at all, yet claim to support them.


That was it.  The drives only support WDMA modes.  Thanks!

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Re: hw.ata.atapi_dma in 5.4-RELEASE-p1

2005-05-22 Thread Holger Kipp
On Sun, May 22, 2005 at 08:29:58AM -0700, Janet Sullivan wrote:
 I am unable to get my DVD or CD drives out of PIO4 mode on two machines. 
  One has an ICH3 controller, the other is Nforce2 based.
 
 When I put hw.ata.atapi_dma=1 in /boot/loader.conf and reboot, I'm 
 still stuck in PIO4.  What am I doing wrong?

Have you tried something like

atacontrol mode 1 UDMA6 UDMA6

to change the mode to the highest values possible?

I have 
katrin# atacontrol info 1
Master: acd0 HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4163B/A102 ATA/ATAPI revision 5
Slave:  acd1 HL-DT-ST RW/DVD GCC-4120B/2.01 ATA/ATAPI revision 0
katrin# atacontrol info 0
Master:  ad0 SAMSUNG SP1614N/TM100-30 ATA/ATAPI revision 7
Slave:   ad1 SAMSUNG SP0802N/TK100-24 ATA/ATAPI revision 7

with

katrin# atacontrol mode 1
Master = UDMA33 
Slave  = PIO4

after boot and end up with 

katrin# atacontrol mode 1 UDMA6 UDMA6
Master = UDMA33 
Slave  = WDMA2

Usually I only use acd0, so I didn't care (real life runs
at a higher priority g right now).

Regards,
Holger
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Re: FreeBSD 5.3 forgets some of my users

2005-05-22 Thread Doug White
Stripping -bugs and -current cc; this applies to -stable and isn't in
reference to an existing PR.

On Sat, 21 May 2005, [ISO-8859-1] Kövesdán Gábor wrote:

 Hello there,

 there is a strange thing FreeBSD 5.3 randomly frogets some of my
 users. Sometimes I see in the first column of the ps aux output the uid
 number instead of the login name, but next when I run it, there is the
 login name. Besides, I tried to chown a directory to an existing user,
 but the I get an error message, that there wasn't such user.

What are you using for user lookups?  Are you using nss_ldap or something
other than the default 'files' lookup?  Can you post the contents of
/etc/nsswitch.conf?

I'd also check your master.passwd file for any syntax errors or odd
characters and then force a rebuild with:

pwd_mkdb -p /etc/master.passwd

as root.

 I immediately checked passwd, group and master.passwd files in /etc but
 the entry for that user was present there. The pw userdel was unable to
 delete that user, so I had to manually remove it from those three files
 and create it again. It worked then, but a bit later there was the same
 result. I'm quite annoyed now. This state isn't safe enough, I have to
 do something to get around with this. Do You have similar experiences?
 Or do You now some kinda workaround?

 Cheers,

 Gábor Kövesdán


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Re: FreeBSD 5.3 forgets some of my users

2005-05-22 Thread Kövesdán Gábor
Thanks for your suggestion. I use 'files' lookup. As You wrote I checked 
the syntax with pwd_mkdb -C /etc/passwd' and it returned nothing. Then I 
did a rebuild with -p, and now it seems to be okay, the two accounts 
that had gone away are working now.


Anyway I haven't changed the nsswitch.conf, I have the default one:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] less /etc/nsswitch.conf
group: compat
group_compat: nis
hosts: files dns
networks: files
passwd: compat
passwd_compat: nis
shells: files

Cheers,

Gábor Kövesdán



What are you using for user lookups?  Are you using nss_ldap or something
other than the default 'files' lookup?  Can you post the contents of
/etc/nsswitch.conf?

I'd also check your master.passwd file for any syntax errors or odd
characters and then force a rebuild with:

pwd_mkdb -p /etc/master.passwd

as root.

 


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Re: nForce 4, SATA Drive only runs at UDMA33?

2005-05-22 Thread Doug White
On Fri, 20 May 2005, alan bryan wrote:


 --- Doug White [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Can you post the output of pciconf -lv? The nForce
  IDE controller is
  properly detected, but it looks like there's another
  one in the system.
  Looking at the spec for the system it may be the
  proprietary nVidia RAID
  controller.  The pciconf output should help us
  identify if thats the
  issue.

 FYI: RAID features are disabled in the BIOS, I'm just
 trying to get a single SATA drive to work at full
 speed.  The other drive in this system is IDE and that
 seems to be working at proper speed.  Thanks for the
 help!

I guess turning off the RAID converts the chips into standard SATA
controllers. I'll have to look into that. An nForce 4 machine recently
appeared at work, so I'll see what I can get it to do.

 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:6:0:   class=0x01018a card=0x50361297
 chip=0x005310de rev=0xa2 hdr=0x00
 vendor   = 'NVIDIA Corporation'
 class= mass storage
 subclass = ATA
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:7:0:   class=0x010185 card=0x50361297
 chip=0x005410de rev=0xa3 hdr=0x00
 vendor   = 'NVIDIA Corporation'
 class= mass storage
 subclass = ATA
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:8:0:   class=0x010185 card=0xcb8410de
 chip=0x005510de rev=0xa3 hdr=0x00
 vendor   = 'NVIDIA Corporation'
 class= mass storage
 subclass = ATA

It looks like sos added support for atapci1 and 2 in this listing in the
ATAmkIII patchset.  While that patchset is in -CURRENT you'll have to
apply the -stable patches yourself. Search the list archives for the
location, soren posts it now and again.

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Re: Diskless boot problem

2005-05-22 Thread Doug White
On Sat, 21 May 2005, [ISO-8859-2] S³awek ¯ak wrote:

 On 5/20/05, Doug White [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Please try to avoid sending your message bodies base64 encoded :) My mail
 client got really confused by it and didn't quote the message properly.

 Also stripping hackers cc:.

I'd like to, but Gmail doesn't offer this option. Sorry :(

 On Thu, 19 May 2005, [ISO-8859-2] Sawek ak wrote:

  Hi,

   I have a problem with booting Dell 2850 over network. The machine reads
   kernel over net, boots upto mounting / from NFS and then crashes.
 
  What is the NFS server? It seems to think the NFS handle we pulled the
  kernel with is no longer valid.

 FreeBSD 5.3/5.4-STABLE.

Hm ... dunno then ... does the server complain about the client at all in
the log?

 Does PXE and the system itself end up pulling different IP addresses?

 No. The IP is the same.

dunno ...

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Re: RELENG_5 panic

2005-05-22 Thread Doug White
On Sat, 21 May 2005, Robin P. Blanchard wrote:

 # uname -a
 FreeBSD robinpb.homeip.net 5.4-STABLE FreeBSD 5.4-STABLE #0: Tue May 17
 00:30:47 EDT 2005
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/fastipsec  i386

 # kgdb kernel.debug /usr/local/var/adm/crash/vmcore.44
 [GDB will not be able to debug user-mode threads: /usr/lib/libthread_db.so:
 Undefined symbol ps_pglobal_lookup]
 GNU gdb 6.1.1 [FreeBSD]
 Copyright 2004 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
 GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and you are
 welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain conditions.
 Type show copying to see the conditions.
 There is absolutely no warranty for GDB.  Type show warranty for details.
 This GDB was configured as i386-marcel-freebsd.
 #0  doadump () at pcpu.h:160
 160 __asm __volatile(movl %%fs:0,%0 : =r (td));
 (kgdb) bt full
 #0  doadump () at pcpu.h:160
 No locals.
 #1  0xc04dd58c in boot (howto=260) at /usr/src/sys/kern/kern_shutdown.c:410
 first_buf_printf = 1
 #2  0xc04ddccd in panic (fmt=0xc066e594 %s) at
 /usr/src/sys/kern/kern_shutdown.c:566
 bootopt = 260
 newpanic = 0
 buf = page fault, '\0' repeats 245 times

can you try to fish the trap output from msgbuf?  That or use dmesg's -N
and -M options to extract it from the crashdump.

 #3  0xc0641e92 in trap_fatal (frame=0xc7ac0bc8, eva=36) at
 /usr/src/sys/i386/i386/trap.c:817
 code = 16
 type = 12
 ss = 16
 esp = 0
 softseg = {ssd_base = 0, ssd_limit = 1048575, ssd_type = 27, ssd_dpl
 = 0, ssd_p = 1,
   ssd_xx = 0, ssd_xx1 = 0, ssd_def32 = 1, ssd_gran = 1}
 #4  0xc0642535 in trap (frame=
   {tf_fs = 24, tf_es = -1066598384, tf_ds = -1066532848, tf_edi =
 -1053916800, tf_esi = -1049515008, tf_ebp = -945025988, tf_isp = -945026060,
 tf_ebx = -1053916800, tf_edx = -1053937024, tf_ecx = 56, tf_eax = 0,
 tf_trapno = 12, tf_err = 0, tf_eip = -1068480504, tf_cs = 8, tf_eflags =
 65683, tf_esp = -1053914880, tf_ss = 582}) at
 /usr/src/sys/i386/i386/trap.c:255
 p = (struct proc *) 0xc12e754c
 sticks = 3241036032
 i = 0
 ucode = 0
 type = 12
 code = 0
 eva = 36
 #5  0xc062da3a in calltrap () at /usr/src/sys/i386/i386/exception.s:140
 No locals.
 #6  0x0018 in ?? ()
 No symbol table info available.
 #7  0xc06d0010 in ipq ()
 No symbol table info available.
 #8  0xc06e0010 in sc_buffer.3 ()
 No symbol table info available.
 #9  0xc12e8180 in ?? ()
 No symbol table info available.
 #10 0xc171ac00 in ?? ()
 No symbol table info available.
 #11 0xc7ac0c3c in ?? ()
 No symbol table info available.
 #12 0xc7ac0bf4 in ?? ()
 No symbol table info available.
 #13 0xc12e8180 in ?? ()
 No symbol table info available.
 #14 0xc12e3280 in ?? ()
 No symbol table info available.
 #15 0x0038 in ?? ()
 No symbol table info available.
 #16 0x in ?? ()
 No symbol table info available.
 #17 0x000c in ?? ()
 No symbol table info available.
 #18 0x in ?? ()
 No symbol table info available.
 #19 0xc0504808 in turnstile_wait (ts=0xc12e3280, lock=0xc06d022c,
 owner=0xc171ac00)
 at /usr/src/sys/kern/subr_turnstile.c:243
 tc = (struct turnstile_chain *) 0xc06cb770
 td1 = (struct thread *) 0xc12e8180
 #20 0xc04d2b7f in _mtx_lock_sleep (m=0xc06d022c, td=0xc12e8180, opts=0,
 file=0x0, line=0)
 at /usr/src/sys/kern/kern_mutex.c:552
 ts = (struct turnstile *) 0x0
 owner = (struct thread *) 0xc171ac00
 v = 0
 #21 0xc058a592 in tcp_isn_tick (xtp=0x0) at
 /usr/src/sys/netinet/tcp_subr.c:1380
 projected_offset = 0
 #22 0xc04ed069 in softclock (dummy=0x0) at
 /usr/src/sys/kern/kern_timeout.c:279
 c_func = (void (*)(void *)) 0xc058a4d0 tcp_isn_tick
 c_arg = (void *) 0x0
 c_flags = 14
 c = (struct callout *) 0x0
 bucket = (struct callout_tailq *) 0xc39ba4a8
 steps = 14
 depth = 2
 mpcalls = 2
 gcalls = 0
 wakeup_cookie = 14
 #23 0xc04c460a in ithread_loop (arg=0xc12fd500) at
 /usr/src/sys/kern/kern_intr.c:547
 ih = (struct intrhand *) 0xc12e2c80
 p = (struct proc *) 0xc12e754c
 count = 0
 warming = 5000
 warned = 0
 #24 0xc04c32c2 in fork_exit (callout=0xc04c4550 ithread_loop, arg=0x0,
 frame=0x0)
 at /usr/src/sys/kern/kern_fork.c:791
 p = (struct proc *) 0xc12e754c
 #25 0xc062da9c in fork_trampoline () at
 /usr/src/sys/i386/i386/exception.s:209
 No locals.
 (kgdb)



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Re: Highpoint HPT371 support (kern/59624)

2005-05-22 Thread Doug White
On Sun, 22 May 2005, Oliver Fromme wrote:

 Why is kern/59624 still open?  It's about 1,5 years old.
 Would someone please commit it?  Or, if it cannot be
 commited, please tell me why.  If any information is
 missing (pcicon -lv output, verbose dmesg or whatever),
 I'd be happy to provide it.

You may want to track down Doug Ambrisko, who has a big stack of ata
patches he's been carting around. I don't know if he committed that set or
not.

RELENG_4 is pretty much dead development-wise -- there will be no more 4.x
releases -- so finding someone to commit this for you will be difficult.

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Re: can't assign requested address with ntpd on 5-STABLE

2005-05-22 Thread Doug White
On Sun, 22 May 2005, Richard Coleman wrote:

 On 5-STABLE, when I try to start ntpd, I get the following error: bind()
 fd 7, family 28, port 123, addr fe80:1::2a0:c9ff:fec8:ea25,
 in6_is_addr_multicast=0 flags=0 fails: Can't assign requested address

 I've used netstat to check and nothing else is on that port (other than
 sshd, there is nothing else on the box).

This is normal; its trying to bind to the ipv6 address and you probably
don't have one defined or have ipv6 disabled. It can be safely ignored. I
think on later -STABLE its been disabled.

Unless you _want_ to bind to the v6 address :)

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Re: Dell PowerEdge 1855

2005-05-22 Thread Doug White
On Sun, 22 May 2005, Danny Braniss wrote:

   Hi Doug,
  
   Sorry for taking so long to reply on this, been on 3 weeks leave...
  
   On Fri, 8 Apr 2005, Doug White wrote:
  
On Wed, 6 Apr 2005, Carl Makin wrote:
  
 The boot sequence will hang if the USB drive is attached at boot.  
 There
  
It seems to be acting like Uthe USB controller isn't getting interrupts.
Does the problem recur on the installed system?
  
   Yes it did however that chassis and the servers were a test loaner and
   have been returned.  We have decided to go with the 1855 though (our
   windows guy was *very* enthusiastic about them) and when they arrive I'll
   run the tests you suggested.
  
   Thanks!
 
  so now i'm testing one too :-), any nice things to say about this blade?
  while trying out the scsi the blade panics :-)
  and as to cpu/memory power, it seems to be slower than the pe-1750
 
  danny

 nothing like talking to oneself :-)

 i disabled the mirrowing, and now the disk io is nice, and more importanly, 
 the
 system does not panic, i guess the mpt/(aka da0: DELL VIRTUAL DISK  IM 
 1998) needs some work still :-)

The mpt driver has some issues. I have an IBM machine that freaks out
similiarly if the integrated mirroring is enabled.  However IM works
properly on other machines, so YMMV :)

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Re: FreeBSD 5.3 forgets some of my users

2005-05-22 Thread Doug White
On Sun, 22 May 2005, [ISO-8859-1] Kövesdán Gábor wrote:

 Thanks for your suggestion. I use 'files' lookup. As You wrote I checked
 the syntax with pwd_mkdb -C /etc/passwd' and it returned nothing. Then I
 did a rebuild with -p, and now it seems to be okay, the two accounts
 that had gone away are working now.

Okay, perhaps the password database files had become corrupted.


 Anyway I haven't changed the nsswitch.conf, I have the default one:

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] less /etc/nsswitch.conf
 group: compat
 group_compat: nis
 hosts: files dns
 networks: files
 passwd: compat
 passwd_compat: nis
 shells: files

Looks right. A database problem would make sense.


 Cheers,

 Gábor Kövesdán


 What are you using for user lookups?  Are you using nss_ldap or something
 other than the default 'files' lookup?  Can you post the contents of
 /etc/nsswitch.conf?
 
 I'd also check your master.passwd file for any syntax errors or odd
 characters and then force a rebuild with:
 
 pwd_mkdb -p /etc/master.passwd
 
 as root.
 
 
 


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cvsup server and firewall, new ports involved?

2005-05-22 Thread Fritz Heinrichmeyer
i used to cvsup on a server with ipfw firewall and had port 5999 open on
this box therefore. Recently cvsup only worked when the firewall was
down. Do i need to allow more, i.e. finger etc?

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Re: cvsup server and firewall, new ports involved?

2005-05-22 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Sun, May 22, 2005 at 09:46:07PM +0200, Fritz Heinrichmeyer wrote:
 i used to cvsup on a server with ipfw firewall and had port 5999 open on
 this box therefore. Recently cvsup only worked when the firewall was
 down. Do i need to allow more, i.e. finger etc?

Nothing has changed..

Kris


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Making release with EXTSRC tag

2005-05-22 Thread Kövesdán Gábor

Hello,

I'm about to build an own install disc from 5.3-RELEASE-p15 but I don't 
want to mirror the whole CVS repo. I have my RELENG_5_3 source tree in 
/usr/src and according to this I edited my /usr/src/release/Makefile. I 
set the EXTSRC macro to /usr/src and I did a 'make buildworld' to fill 
/usr/obj with the system binariesand then I changed to /usr/src/release 
directory and I typed: 'make MAKE_ISOS=YES MAKE_FLOPPIES=YES 
CVSROOT=/usr/src release'. I had to set CVSROOT macro, because the 
Makefile requires it even if I use EXTSRC and do not want to checkout 
anything. The release process stopped with this:


if [ -f /etc/resolv.conf ]; then  cp -p /etc/resolv.conf 
/home/tux/release/etc;  fi

rm -rf /home/tux/release/usr/src
cd /home/tux/release/usr   cp -R -H /usr/src src
rm -rf /home/tux/release/usr/ports
cd /home/tux/release/usr   cvs -R  -d /usr/src  co  -P ports
cvs [checkout aborted]: /usr/src/CVSROOT: No such file or directory
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/src/release.


Do You have any experience with this? What can I do now? Btw, I uploaded 
the Makefile: http://tux.t-hosting.hu/Makefile


Cheers,

Gábor Kövesdán
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Re: wi0 is always status: no carrier

2005-05-22 Thread Kirk Strauser
On Friday 20 May 2005 10:20 pm, John Baldwin wrote:

 I have a patch to make the PIR code trust the BIOS in this case over the
 $PIR table that you can test if you want.  Actually, I committed the patch
 finally a while ago.  It is rev 1.117 in HEAD.  It should backport to 5.x
 directly.  Try that and see if it fixes your problem.

I wiped the drive and started over with a new install.  Then, I applied your 
patch and rebooted into the new kernel.  My dmesg output was identical 
between the two kernels (save for the normal little things like minor skew in 
clock rates).  Pardon my ignorance, but should I be somehow requesting that 
my cbb device get bound to IRQ 11 instead of 10?  There's no line containing 
cbb in /boot/device.hints; should I add one?
-- 
Kirk Strauser


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FreeBSD and ProPolice Smashing Stack Protector

2005-05-22 Thread MING FU
I find that any application which uses libpthread will not work. That include 
named, nslookup, dig. If you have find any work stack protector for freebsd 
5.4, please share with me.

Ming
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