Re: 5.2 - 5.3 without single mode?

2004-11-28 Thread M. Warner Losh
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dima [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
:  Is it possible to cvsup from 5.2 to 5.3 without booting in single mode?
:  I have a remote machine and want update it, but it is no console access,
:  only SSH.
: You don't actually need to reboot in single-user mode. Just make sure your 
users wouldn't use the server hard during the
: # mergemaster -p
: # make installworld
: # mergemaster
: cycle. You can basically disable all the services but sshd for that task  
enable them again after the second reboot.

While you don't NEED to go into single user (I do the above all the
time), you are setting yourself up to get screwed the first time that
a new, common system call is introudced...

Warner
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Re: 5.2 - 5.3 without single mode?

2004-11-28 Thread Stephen Montgomery-Smith
M. Warner Losh wrote:
In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
dima [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
:  Is it possible to cvsup from 5.2 to 5.3 without booting in single mode?
:  I have a remote machine and want update it, but it is no console access,
:  only SSH.
: You don't actually need to reboot in single-user mode. Just make sure your 
users wouldn't use the server hard during the
: # mergemaster -p
: # make installworld
: # mergemaster
: cycle. You can basically disable all the services but sshd for that task  
enable them again after the second reboot.
While you don't NEED to go into single user (I do the above all the
time), you are setting yourself up to get screwed the first time that
a new, common system call is introudced...
So if there is a new common system call introduced, will it arrive with 
a nice entry in UPDATING plus a HEADS UP?

Stephen
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Re: 5.2 - 5.3 without single mode?

2004-11-28 Thread Robert Backhaus
In general, yes, there will be. Quite an extensive one. Usually
thoroughly bikeshedded on the lists beforehand.

As a rule, always do installkernel before installworld. The new kernel
will always run the old world (within reason), although often not vice
versa. Then, in case of a failure, it should always come back up.


On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 18:59:10 -0600, Stephen Montgomery-Smith snippage
 
 So if there is a new common system call introduced, will it arrive with
 a nice entry in UPDATING plus a HEADS UP?
 
 Stephen
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Re: 5.2 - 5.3 without single mode?

2004-11-28 Thread M. Warner Losh
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Stephen Montgomery-Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
: M. Warner Losh wrote:
:  In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
:  dima [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
:  :  Is it possible to cvsup from 5.2 to 5.3 without booting in single mode?
:  :  I have a remote machine and want update it, but it is no console access,
:  :  only SSH.
:  : You don't actually need to reboot in single-user mode. Just make sure 
your users wouldn't use the server hard during the
:  : # mergemaster -p
:  : # make installworld
:  : # mergemaster
:  : cycle. You can basically disable all the services but sshd for that task 
 enable them again after the second reboot.
:  
:  While you don't NEED to go into single user (I do the above all the
:  time), you are setting yourself up to get screwed the first time that
:  a new, common system call is introudced...
:  
: 
: So if there is a new common system call introduced, will it arrive with 
: a nice entry in UPDATING plus a HEADS UP?

Maybe, maybe not.  All I'm saying is that often you can get away with
short cuts, but unless you really know what's going on there are a
number of different things that can mess you up trying to do the
shortcut.  Some of which can be a 'restore from backup' mistake.

Warner
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5.2 - 5.3 without single mode?

2004-11-25 Thread Sergei
Is it possible to cvsup from 5.2 to 5.3 without booting in single mode?
I have a remote machine and want update it, but it is no console access,
only SSH.

Thanks...

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Re: 5.2 - 5.3 without single mode?

2004-11-25 Thread dima
 Is it possible to cvsup from 5.2 to 5.3 without booting in single mode?
 I have a remote machine and want update it, but it is no console access,
 only SSH.
You don't actually need to reboot in single-user mode. Just make sure your 
users wouldn't use the server hard during the
# mergemaster -p
# make installworld
# mergemaster
cycle. You can basically disable all the services but sshd for that task  
enable them again after the second reboot.
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