Re: FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE always hang

2007-11-30 Thread Michael Proto

Unga wrote:
> 
> Mine is also an ATI Radeon card:
> ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200 PRO] rev 1
> Chipset ATI Radeon 9200PRO 5960 (AGP)
> 
> I cannot ssh to the machine while its freezes. It says
> 'no route to host'. That is, the machine is completely
> dead.
> 
> The other thing is, FreeBSD installer has not
> installed an xorg.conf.
> 
> I have created an xorg.conf using Xorg -configure and
> moved to /etc/X11/. Adjusted the HorizSync and
> VertRefresh to match the monitor, driver I used "ati",
> added Modes and an DRI section with Mode 0666.
> 
> If it crashes again I'll let the list know.
> 

Just a thought, but you might also want to try using the VESA X driver
for a while and see if the same symptoms persist. Its slower than a
native driver but can also be used to identify if the X driver is in
fact causing problems.


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Re: FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE always hang

2007-11-30 Thread Unga
--- Kevin Oberman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > From: Tom Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 12:42:35 +
> > Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > 
> > On Thu, 2007-11-29 at 03:28 -0800, Unga wrote:
> > > --- Michael Proto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Unga wrote:
> > > > > Hi all
> > > > > 
> > > > > I'm using FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE on Intel P4
> 3.0GHz,
> > > > > 512MB Ram computer.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Its very irritatingly hangs very frequently,
> more
> > > > than
> > > > > 10 times a day. Do others find FreeBSD
> 6.2-RELEASE
> > > > > always hangs? I simply cannot use it for any
> > > > serious
> > > > > use, not even to send a mail, other than
> browsing
> > > > web.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I find it mostly when I try to move the
> mouse it
> > > > > hangs. Upward and downward cursor keys press
> and
> > > > hold
> > > > > also hangs, but not always. These may be
> just
> > > > > coincidental. How do I find why it hangs?
> How is
> > > > the
> > > > > stability of the upcoming 7.0?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Best Regards
> > > > > Unga
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > I'm sure I'm not alone in this, but I'm
> running
> > > > several 6.2-RELEASE-p8
> > > > boxes (servers and laptop workstations) for
> several
> > > > months now without a
> > > > single lock-up. I'd first look into hardware,
> > > > testing memory, testing
> > > > the power supply, and checking CPU/chipset
> > > > temperatures as they have
> > > > often contributed to problems similar to what
> you
> > > > are describing. 6.2
> > > > has been working extremely well for me with no
> > > > stability issues that
> > > > weren't related to hardware problems.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > Thanks for all the replies.
> > > 
> > > It may be a hardware issue. This is a more than
> four
> > > year old computer. Btw, I forgot to mention this
> is
> > > not a server, its running KDE, trying to use as
> a
> > > desktop.
> > > 
> > > Any one of the hangs do not develop any core
> dump or
> > > /var/crash/kernel.0 or /var/crash/vmcore.0. Just
> the
> > > cursor disappear and keyboard does not respond.
> Only
> > > switch off and on can bring the machine up. 
> > > 
> > > Are there any hardware analyzing software that I
> can
> > > run on FreeBSD, so that I could narrow down the
> cause?
> > > 
> > > Unga
> > > 
> > 
> > Can you verify that the machine is actually dead?
> Do you have another
> > machine that you can hook up either to a serial
> console, or ssh into the
> > dead box? Weird X symptoms could lead to an
> unresponsive keyboard, with
> > the machine running just fine underneath X.
> 
> Just to re-enforce this, I have a colleague who is
> seeing this on his
> Radeon-based Lenovo T43 (m300). The display blanks
> and cannot be
> resurrected, even CTRL-ALT-BS does not help, but the
> system is alive.
> 
> Oddly, I also have a Lenovo T43 based system and it
> has never shown this
> problem. It might be something in your xorg setup
> that is triggering it.
> 
> If your system is a Radeon, you might try booting
> with no xorg.conf
> file. I have found that worked well for my system.
> Other possibilities
> include hw.acpi.reset_video=1 (sysctl.conf) and
> acpi_video_load="YES"
> (loader.conf). 
> 
> I would like to figure out why my system has no
> issues while others
> go off to never-never land.
>

Mine is also an ATI Radeon card:
ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200 PRO] rev 1
Chipset ATI Radeon 9200PRO 5960 (AGP)

I cannot ssh to the machine while its freezes. It says
'no route to host'. That is, the machine is completely
dead.

The other thing is, FreeBSD installer has not
installed an xorg.conf.

I have created an xorg.conf using Xorg -configure and
moved to /etc/X11/. Adjusted the HorizSync and
VertRefresh to match the monitor, driver I used "ati",
added Modes and an DRI section with Mode 0666.

If it crashes again I'll let the list know.

Unga


  

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Radeon/X freezes (was Re: FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE always hang)

2007-11-29 Thread Clifton Royston
On Thu, Nov 29, 2007 at 08:37:05AM -0800, Kevin Oberman wrote:
...
> > Can you verify that the machine is actually dead? Do you have another
> > machine that you can hook up either to a serial console, or ssh into the
> > dead box? Weird X symptoms could lead to an unresponsive keyboard, with
> > the machine running just fine underneath X.
> 
> Just to re-enforce this, I have a colleague who is seeing this on his
> Radeon-based Lenovo T43 (m300). The display blanks and cannot be
> resurrected, even CTRL-ALT-BS does not help, but the system is alive.
> 
> Oddly, I also have a Lenovo T43 based system and it has never shown this
> problem. It might be something in your xorg setup that is triggering it.

  FWIW, I have also seen seemingly identical symptoms a couple times on
a Debian server I set up a couple weeks ago at work, also using a
Radeon card (Radeon 9250) and xorg.  The console goes away (freezes
completely), Control-Alt-Backspace doesn't work to restore it, but the
system is still accessible via ssh.  This leads me to suspect the
reported problem may not be a FreeBSD issue per se but an xorg Radeon
driver issue.  Reducing the maximum sync setting may have helped, but I
don't consider it confirmed yet.

  -- Clifton

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Re: FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE always hang

2007-11-29 Thread Kevin Oberman
> From: Tom Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 12:42:35 +
> Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> On Thu, 2007-11-29 at 03:28 -0800, Unga wrote:
> > --- Michael Proto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > > Unga wrote:
> > > > Hi all
> > > > 
> > > > I'm using FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE on Intel P4 3.0GHz,
> > > > 512MB Ram computer.
> > > > 
> > > > Its very irritatingly hangs very frequently, more
> > > than
> > > > 10 times a day. Do others find FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE
> > > > always hangs? I simply cannot use it for any
> > > serious
> > > > use, not even to send a mail, other than browsing
> > > web.
> > > > 
> > > > I find it mostly when I try to move the mouse it
> > > > hangs. Upward and downward cursor keys press and
> > > hold
> > > > also hangs, but not always. These may be just
> > > > coincidental. How do I find why it hangs? How is
> > > the
> > > > stability of the upcoming 7.0?
> > > > 
> > > > Best Regards
> > > > Unga
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > I'm sure I'm not alone in this, but I'm running
> > > several 6.2-RELEASE-p8
> > > boxes (servers and laptop workstations) for several
> > > months now without a
> > > single lock-up. I'd first look into hardware,
> > > testing memory, testing
> > > the power supply, and checking CPU/chipset
> > > temperatures as they have
> > > often contributed to problems similar to what you
> > > are describing. 6.2
> > > has been working extremely well for me with no
> > > stability issues that
> > > weren't related to hardware problems.
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > Thanks for all the replies.
> > 
> > It may be a hardware issue. This is a more than four
> > year old computer. Btw, I forgot to mention this is
> > not a server, its running KDE, trying to use as a
> > desktop.
> > 
> > Any one of the hangs do not develop any core dump or
> > /var/crash/kernel.0 or /var/crash/vmcore.0. Just the
> > cursor disappear and keyboard does not respond. Only
> > switch off and on can bring the machine up. 
> > 
> > Are there any hardware analyzing software that I can
> > run on FreeBSD, so that I could narrow down the cause?
> > 
> > Unga
> > 
> 
> Can you verify that the machine is actually dead? Do you have another
> machine that you can hook up either to a serial console, or ssh into the
> dead box? Weird X symptoms could lead to an unresponsive keyboard, with
> the machine running just fine underneath X.

Just to re-enforce this, I have a colleague who is seeing this on his
Radeon-based Lenovo T43 (m300). The display blanks and cannot be
resurrected, even CTRL-ALT-BS does not help, but the system is alive.

Oddly, I also have a Lenovo T43 based system and it has never shown this
problem. It might be something in your xorg setup that is triggering it.

If your system is a Radeon, you might try booting with no xorg.conf
file. I have found that worked well for my system. Other possibilities
include hw.acpi.reset_video=1 (sysctl.conf) and acpi_video_load="YES"
(loader.conf). 

I would like to figure out why my system has no issues while others
go off to never-never land.
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Re: FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE always hang

2007-11-29 Thread Tom Evans
On Thu, 2007-11-29 at 03:28 -0800, Unga wrote:
> --- Michael Proto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Unga wrote:
> > > Hi all
> > > 
> > > I'm using FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE on Intel P4 3.0GHz,
> > > 512MB Ram computer.
> > > 
> > > Its very irritatingly hangs very frequently, more
> > than
> > > 10 times a day. Do others find FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE
> > > always hangs? I simply cannot use it for any
> > serious
> > > use, not even to send a mail, other than browsing
> > web.
> > > 
> > > I find it mostly when I try to move the mouse it
> > > hangs. Upward and downward cursor keys press and
> > hold
> > > also hangs, but not always. These may be just
> > > coincidental. How do I find why it hangs? How is
> > the
> > > stability of the upcoming 7.0?
> > > 
> > > Best Regards
> > > Unga
> > > 
> > 
> > I'm sure I'm not alone in this, but I'm running
> > several 6.2-RELEASE-p8
> > boxes (servers and laptop workstations) for several
> > months now without a
> > single lock-up. I'd first look into hardware,
> > testing memory, testing
> > the power supply, and checking CPU/chipset
> > temperatures as they have
> > often contributed to problems similar to what you
> > are describing. 6.2
> > has been working extremely well for me with no
> > stability issues that
> > weren't related to hardware problems.
> > 
> > 
> 
> Thanks for all the replies.
> 
> It may be a hardware issue. This is a more than four
> year old computer. Btw, I forgot to mention this is
> not a server, its running KDE, trying to use as a
> desktop.
> 
> Any one of the hangs do not develop any core dump or
> /var/crash/kernel.0 or /var/crash/vmcore.0. Just the
> cursor disappear and keyboard does not respond. Only
> switch off and on can bring the machine up. 
> 
> Are there any hardware analyzing software that I can
> run on FreeBSD, so that I could narrow down the cause?
> 
> Unga
> 

Can you verify that the machine is actually dead? Do you have another
machine that you can hook up either to a serial console, or ssh into the
dead box? Weird X symptoms could lead to an unresponsive keyboard, with
the machine running just fine underneath X.


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Re: FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE always hang

2007-11-29 Thread Unga
--- Michael Proto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Unga wrote:
> > Hi all
> > 
> > I'm using FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE on Intel P4 3.0GHz,
> > 512MB Ram computer.
> > 
> > Its very irritatingly hangs very frequently, more
> than
> > 10 times a day. Do others find FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE
> > always hangs? I simply cannot use it for any
> serious
> > use, not even to send a mail, other than browsing
> web.
> > 
> > I find it mostly when I try to move the mouse it
> > hangs. Upward and downward cursor keys press and
> hold
> > also hangs, but not always. These may be just
> > coincidental. How do I find why it hangs? How is
> the
> > stability of the upcoming 7.0?
> > 
> > Best Regards
> > Unga
> > 
> 
> I'm sure I'm not alone in this, but I'm running
> several 6.2-RELEASE-p8
> boxes (servers and laptop workstations) for several
> months now without a
> single lock-up. I'd first look into hardware,
> testing memory, testing
> the power supply, and checking CPU/chipset
> temperatures as they have
> often contributed to problems similar to what you
> are describing. 6.2
> has been working extremely well for me with no
> stability issues that
> weren't related to hardware problems.
> 
> 

Thanks for all the replies.

It may be a hardware issue. This is a more than four
year old computer. Btw, I forgot to mention this is
not a server, its running KDE, trying to use as a
desktop.

Any one of the hangs do not develop any core dump or
/var/crash/kernel.0 or /var/crash/vmcore.0. Just the
cursor disappear and keyboard does not respond. Only
switch off and on can bring the machine up. 

Are there any hardware analyzing software that I can
run on FreeBSD, so that I could narrow down the cause?

Unga



  

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Re: FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE always hang

2007-11-28 Thread Cristiano Deana
On Nov 28, 2007 5:15 PM, Unga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 10 times a day. Do others find FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE
> always hangs?

no

> coincidental. How do I find why it hangs?

hardware problem, i suppose.
broken cpu fan?

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Re: FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE always hang

2007-11-28 Thread Stefan Lambrev

Hi,

Unga wrote:

Hi all

I'm using FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE on Intel P4 3.0GHz,
512MB Ram computer.

Its very irritatingly hangs very frequently, more than
10 times a day. Do others find FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE
always hangs? I simply cannot use it for any serious
use, not even to send a mail, other than browsing web.

I find it mostly when I try to move the mouse it
hangs. Upward and downward cursor keys press and hold
also hangs, but not always. These may be just
coincidental. How do I find why it hangs?
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/developers-handbook/kerneldebug.html 
should help you how to start finding out why :)

 How is the
stability of the upcoming 7.0?
  
You should try it on your hardware and see how it will perform. it can 
be more stable .. or less :) but it have to be faster :)

Best Regards
Unga


  

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Re: FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE always hang

2007-11-28 Thread Michael Proto
Unga wrote:
> Hi all
> 
> I'm using FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE on Intel P4 3.0GHz,
> 512MB Ram computer.
> 
> Its very irritatingly hangs very frequently, more than
> 10 times a day. Do others find FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE
> always hangs? I simply cannot use it for any serious
> use, not even to send a mail, other than browsing web.
> 
> I find it mostly when I try to move the mouse it
> hangs. Upward and downward cursor keys press and hold
> also hangs, but not always. These may be just
> coincidental. How do I find why it hangs? How is the
> stability of the upcoming 7.0?
> 
> Best Regards
> Unga
> 

I'm sure I'm not alone in this, but I'm running several 6.2-RELEASE-p8
boxes (servers and laptop workstations) for several months now without a
single lock-up. I'd first look into hardware, testing memory, testing
the power supply, and checking CPU/chipset temperatures as they have
often contributed to problems similar to what you are describing. 6.2
has been working extremely well for me with no stability issues that
weren't related to hardware problems.


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FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE always hang

2007-11-28 Thread Unga
Hi all

I'm using FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE on Intel P4 3.0GHz,
512MB Ram computer.

Its very irritatingly hangs very frequently, more than
10 times a day. Do others find FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE
always hangs? I simply cannot use it for any serious
use, not even to send a mail, other than browsing web.

I find it mostly when I try to move the mouse it
hangs. Upward and downward cursor keys press and hold
also hangs, but not always. These may be just
coincidental. How do I find why it hangs? How is the
stability of the upcoming 7.0?

Best Regards
Unga


  

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