Re: FreeBSD 7.2 RC1 amd64 Installation
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 7:56 PM, Ken Smith wrote: > On Sat, 2009-04-18 at 19:04 -0400, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: > > > I'll take this into consideration moving forward but just so you know it > likely won't be addressed as part of 7.2-REL. It's likely you would > need to be at least a little more selective in what packages you install > if you want to avoid these sorts of package install failures caused by > conflicts. > (1) During package selection if a conflict exits , the user may be warned with a message , for example : Selection of ... requires de-selection of previously selected package(s) ... ( list of packages ) In that way it is possible to make a suitable decision . At present it is necessary to know which packages are conflicting . During a learning process of FreeBSD this causes difficulty . (2) At present , only package names are listed . If it is easy and/or possible a short description of package may be displayed in a separate pane which would be very helpful for selection . All of the descriptions are present in port related FreeBSD web site pages . >From there short summaries may be copied . (3) During installation of packages a counter would be informative about progress . And listing of installed packages in a pane shows package dependencies and detailed progress . (4) For unattended installs , when an error occurs it may be listed in another pane and it may be appended to an error message file . At present it is waiting a user entry for enter key pressing . Therefore , at present package install part requires to wait there up to completion . (5) In .../Latest/package_name.tbz directory , only package names are listed . Persons knowing FreeBSD very well can understand attributes of packages but this is difficult at the beginning . Over time addition of short explanatory sentences at the side of package names increases their comprehensibility . (6) When a package is tried to be installed in Mandriva Linux , it is asking Mandriva DVD if it is present in it . Such a technique may be used for port package updates in FreeBSD . After an installation , later on when the user wants to install a new package , pkg_add may check the update web sites . If the package is updated there it installs it from the update site . If it is not updated yet and it is present in installation DVD or CD , pkg_add (and other update utilities also ) displays a message like , for example : install from DVD , enter D for it , install from CD numbered .. , enter C for it , install from update site , enter S for it . ( The user may not have DVD or CD at hand ) In that way , for many installs , FreeBSD web site traffic may be reduced for unnecessary re-downloads . (7) The above ideas may be utilized over time if they are found useful . I am not expecting that they will be implemented instantly because some of them require much work to be done ( this means time and resources ) . Thank you very much . Mehme Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: FreeBSD 7.2 RC1 amd64 Installation
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 8:20 PM, Manolis Kiagias wrote: > Bruce Cran wrote: > > On Sat, 18 Apr 2009 19:04:26 -0400 > > Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: > > > > > > > >> (3) When shutdown is selected from Gnome menu either by the first > >> user or the root , within displayed dialog box > >> there is no a Shutdown item . > >> It is necessary for the root open a terminal console , and enter > >> shutdown -p now command . > >> > > > > Have you installed sudo? I think those options > > (suspend/shutdown/hibernate) only get displayed if HAL sees sudo is > > available. > > > > > Fact is you will get these options either if you have sudo and your user > account is authorized to shutdown / reboot (this is the fallback method > though) or if PolicyKit is configured (see > /usr/local/etc/PolicyKit/PolicyKit.conf) to allow shutdown/reboot. > > Entries will look similar to these: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Have a look at http://www.freebsd.org/gnome/docs/halfaq.html for more > HAL fun ;) > Nearly all of my expressed ideas about FreeBSD is not about my own requirements but especially newly beginning users . This point is utmost importance for me because my profession was the teaching of programming languages to the students in the University by starting from Introduction to computing . In those days computers were not available as they are today . I know how difficult is to make a start to learning to use a computing systems with respect to observations of the students . Then I want to emphasize the points that will be difficult for the new users to overcome at the beginning . If we do not reduce usage difficulty level of FreeBSD as much as possible it will prevent adoption of FreeBSD so much . Why FreeBSD so important for me is not a good question because FreeBSD is an excellent operating system with an immensely invested efforts by its very valuable developers and I think it is second to none . For my own difficulties : I wish - the Handbook includes more examples . - the man pages includes more examples for typical situations . In that respect my idea is that freebsd-questions and other lists contain excellent cases and solutions to them . In those days there is a concept of data mining . Actually these lists are containing very good sample cases and their solutions . By traversing the questions and problems and answers to them may be utilized to enhance the man pages and the handbook . This requires extensive knowledge about the Handbook and man pages which I do not have yet . Knowledgeable FreeBSD developers may contribute to this process . It is known that ideas expressed in mailing lists may be utilized for this process and my opinion is that no one will object to utilization of his/her ideas in such a utilization . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk. ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: FreeBSD 7.2 RC1 amd64 Installation
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 8:09 PM, Bruce Cran wrote: > On Sat, 18 Apr 2009 19:04:26 -0400 > Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: > > > > (3) When shutdown is selected from Gnome menu either by the first > > user or the root , within displayed dialog box > > there is no a Shutdown item . > > It is necessary for the root open a terminal console , and enter > > shutdown -p now command . > > Have you installed sudo? I think those options > (suspend/shutdown/hibernate) only get displayed if HAL sees sudo is > available. > > -- > Bruce Cran It is very likely , because I had selected all of the packages . I do not know why HAL uses sudo for such a result . Actually I am using FreeBSD 7.1 i386 Stable again all of the packages installed but Gnome shut down menu is NOT affected by selection of sudo . Now I have checked my 7.1 i386 . sudo is installed and Gnome shutdown menu for the user ( not root ) included into operator group for USB mounts shows the menu item shudtdown . This means that there is a difference between i386 and amd64 shutdown rules in Gnome menus . Thank you very much Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: FreeBSD 7.2 RC1 amd64 Installation
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 7:56 PM, Ken Smith wrote: > On Sat, 2009-04-18 at 19:04 -0400, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: > > To be honest it never occured to me that someone would attempt to > install all of the packages (or at least as many as you indicated in > your summary that you did). The package failures you mention were > almost certainly caused by conflicts (e.g. apache-1.3.41 and apache > +mod_ssl-1.3.41+2.8.31 failing because apache-2.2.11_4 got installed > first). When deciding what packages to include on the media as of late > I haven't been taking the issue of possible conflicts into mind. Like I > said I'm afraid it just never occured to me someone would just select > "virtually all of them" as you did. > > I'll take this into consideration moving forward but just so you know it > likely won't be addressed as part of 7.2-REL. It's likely you would > need to be at least a little more selective in what packages you install > if you want to avoid these sorts of package install failures caused by > conflicts. > > This is a test installation . Therefore installation of all the packages is a testing step . Such a test will show installability of packages and missing parts if any , and possible conflicts . Therefore package selection process rules may be adjusted accordingly . After marking selected packages I inspected every category list toward backward to see whether a last selection reverted a previously marked selection . Such a mark erasing did not occurred . Marking is able to select dependencies but at present it is not de-select conflicting selections . Another reason is that I am writing a multimedia information management system since 1986 and it is continuation of my PhD thesis subject . Concepts coverage is vast and I am studying every possible information sources one by one to learn at least their main ideas . This part is for me . > That one is a question for the Gnome folks but I *think* that's the > intended behavior unless you configure the machine to launch the > graphical interface as part of booting up. :-) > > -- >Ken Smith > - From there to here, from here to | kensm...@cse.buffalo.edu > there, funny things are everywhere. | > - Theodore Geisel | > After installation , FreeBSD boots in terminal mode . In this first boot , I have included gnome_enable=¨YES¨ into rc.conf and re-booted . Thank you very much Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: FreeBSD 7.2 RC1 amd64 Installation
Bruce Cran wrote: > On Sat, 18 Apr 2009 19:04:26 -0400 > Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: > > > >> (3) When shutdown is selected from Gnome menu either by the first >> user or the root , within displayed dialog box >> there is no a Shutdown item . >> It is necessary for the root open a terminal console , and enter >> shutdown -p now command . >> > > Have you installed sudo? I think those options > (suspend/shutdown/hibernate) only get displayed if HAL sees sudo is > available. > > Fact is you will get these options either if you have sudo and your user account is authorized to shutdown / reboot (this is the fallback method though) or if PolicyKit is configured (see /usr/local/etc/PolicyKit/PolicyKit.conf) to allow shutdown/reboot. Entries will look similar to these: Have a look at http://www.freebsd.org/gnome/docs/halfaq.html for more HAL fun ;) ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: FreeBSD 7.2 RC1 amd64 Installation
On Sat, 18 Apr 2009 19:04:26 -0400 Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: > (3) When shutdown is selected from Gnome menu either by the first > user or the root , within displayed dialog box > there is no a Shutdown item . > It is necessary for the root open a terminal console , and enter > shutdown -p now command . Have you installed sudo? I think those options (suspend/shutdown/hibernate) only get displayed if HAL sees sudo is available. -- Bruce Cran ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: FreeBSD 7.2 RC1 amd64 Installation
On Sat, 2009-04-18 at 19:04 -0400, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: Thanks for the testing and feedback. > I have installed FreeBSD 7.2 amd64 RC1 from DVD .iso to test its > installation issues . > > It detected hardware correctly and installed without any problems , but > during installation of the packages the following errors > occurred : > > Add of package ...name of package... aborted , error code 1 : > > apache-1.3.41 > links-0.98,1 > apache+mod_ssl-1.3.41+2.8.31 > ghostscript7-nox11-7.07_20 > emacs-22.3 > > Number of failed packages is significantly less than failed packages of > Release 7.1 amd64 installation . > Due to failed package installation , at the end Gnome in 7.1 Release and > Stable was unusable , at least because > terminal was not available in Gnome menus with nearly empty menus . To be honest it never occured to me that someone would attempt to install all of the packages (or at least as many as you indicated in your summary that you did). The package failures you mention were almost certainly caused by conflicts (e.g. apache-1.3.41 and apache +mod_ssl-1.3.41+2.8.31 failing because apache-2.2.11_4 got installed first). When deciding what packages to include on the media as of late I haven't been taking the issue of possible conflicts into mind. Like I said I'm afraid it just never occured to me someone would just select "virtually all of them" as you did. I'll take this into consideration moving forward but just so you know it likely won't be addressed as part of 7.2-REL. It's likely you would need to be at least a little more selective in what packages you install if you want to avoid these sorts of package install failures caused by conflicts. > Other points may be the following : > > (1) During user definition password confirmation is not asked but in root > password definition it is asked . >For the user , the same password entry box may be re-used for > password confirmation without changing >screen design because entered password is not plainly visible and > during password confirmation it is not necessary >to keep it there , and it does not require much work to include it . > >( During installation of 7.1 , I carefully first recorded password on > paper , entered it , later it did not worked . ) > > (2) CD/DVD drive is NOT released when the message ... ( be sure to remove > any floppies/CDs/DVDs from the drives ) . Those are both fixed in head (what will become 8.0). I chose to not MFC those changes because they rearrange questions which might throw off people who are used to the older behavior, it's best to phase in that sort of thing as part of a new branch. > (3) When shutdown is selected from Gnome menu either by the first user or > the root , within displayed dialog box > there is no a Shutdown item . > It is necessary for the root open a terminal console , and enter > shutdown -p now command . That one is a question for the Gnome folks but I *think* that's the intended behavior unless you configure the machine to launch the graphical interface as part of booting up. :-) -- Ken Smith - From there to here, from here to | kensm...@cse.buffalo.edu there, funny things are everywhere. | - Theodore Geisel | signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
FreeBSD 7.2 RC1 amd64 Installation
Dear All , I have installed FreeBSD 7.2 amd64 RC1 from DVD .iso to test its installation issues . It detected hardware correctly and installed without any problems , but during installation of the packages the following errors occurred : Add of package ...name of package... aborted , error code 1 : apache-1.3.41 links-0.98,1 apache+mod_ssl-1.3.41+2.8.31 ghostscript7-nox11-7.07_20 emacs-22.3 Number of failed packages is significantly less than failed packages of Release 7.1 amd64 installation . Due to failed package installation , at the end Gnome in 7.1 Release and Stable was unusable , at least because terminal was not available in Gnome menus with nearly empty menus . Other points may be the following : (1) During user definition password confirmation is not asked but in root password definition it is asked . For the user , the same password entry box may be re-used for password confirmation without changing screen design because entered password is not plainly visible and during password confirmation it is not necessary to keep it there , and it does not require much work to include it . ( During installation of 7.1 , I carefully first recorded password on paper , entered it , later it did not worked . ) (2) CD/DVD drive is NOT released when the message ... ( be sure to remove any floppies/CDs/DVDs from the drives ) . (3) When shutdown is selected from Gnome menu either by the first user or the root , within displayed dialog box there is no a Shutdown item . It is necessary for the root open a terminal console , and enter shutdown -p now command . PC definition : Intel DG965WH main board with 2 GB memory , PS/2 mouse and keyboard . Installation Options : Starting FreeBSD menu : Default Standard installation Fresh install ( SATA II Disk cleared before start of installation and all of the disk allocated ) Standard boot Disk layout : Default All distributions selected All of the ports categories containing all of the packages selected with the following categories excluded : accessibility ( entries selected on dependency ) chinese , ipv6 , japanese , korean , palm . IPv6 : No DHCP : Yes , Ethernet to ADSL router : Yes , worked . Gateway : No iNetd and Network services : No SSH login : No FTP : No NFS Server : No NFS Client : No Console Settings : No Time zone setting : Yes Mouse : Tested , Worked Packages : Selected , Installed User : Defined Thank you very much Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
