Re: RELENG_8: amdtemp module and newer CPUs not working. MFC?
On 20 Feb, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 10:29:05PM -0800, Don Lewis wrote: On 17 Feb, Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote: Hello, I'm running FreeBSD 8.3-stable on a machine with an AMD A8-5600K cpu. tingo@kg-quiet$ uname -a FreeBSD kg-quiet.kg4.no 8.3-STABLE FreeBSD 8.3-STABLE #2: Fri Jan 4 19:18:15 CET 2013 r...@kg-quiet.kg4.no:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 tingo@kg-quiet$ dmesg | grep CPU | head -1 CPU: AMD A8-5600K APU with Radeon(tm) HD Graphics(3618.02-MHz K8-class CPU) Unfortunately, the amdtemp.ko module doesn't work: tingo@kg-quiet$ kldstat | grep temp 101 0x8123e000 f0f amdtemp.ko tingo@kg-quiet$ sysctl dev.amdtemp sysctl: unknown oid 'dev.amdtemp' Based on a thread[1] on the forums, amdtemp.c from -CURRENT work. But it doesn't compile under FreeBSD 8.3-stable: Updating amdtemp is on my TODO list. It has some issues even on -CURRENT. This is kind of far down my priority list because on most of my AMD machines, I can also get the temperature without amdtemp: % sysctl hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.temperature hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.temperature: 30.0C There's an implication in your statement here, so I want to clarify for readers (as the author of sysutils/bsdhwmon): acpi_thermal(4) does not necessarily tie in to an on-die DTS within the CPU. Your motherboards and CPUs (both matter! (e.g. for Intel CPUs, see PECI (not a typo)) may offer this tie-in, but such is not the case for many people. I tend to find ACPI thermal zones used in laptops and very rarely anywhere else. acpi_thermal(4) may return temperatures from zones that are mapped to readings from Super I/O chips or dedicated H/W monitoring ICs (such as ones provided by Nuvuton/Winbond, LM, ITE, ADT, etc.). It all depends on how the BIOSes ACPI tables are written/what maps to what. Such ICs DO NOT have anything to do with the on-die DTS which both amdtemp(4) and coretemp(4) use -- instead, these chips use external thermistors which may be placed anywhere on the motherboard (such as under the CPU socket, or wherever the manufacturer chooses (and more often than not, does not document)). My point: under the CPU thermistor != within the CPU DTS. They measure two different things, and are not guaranteed to be even remotely similar. I can show proof of this (a very large delta between Core i5 core DTSes and an on-board IT87xxx) if requested. You are correct. It had been several months since I looked at this and was misremembering the details. With amdtemp loaded on one of my systems where it works: hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.temperature: 34.0C dev.cpu.0.temperature: 37.2C dev.cpu.1.temperature: 42.2C dev.amdtemp.0.%desc: AMD CPU On-Die Thermal Sensors dev.amdtemp.0.%driver: amdtemp dev.amdtemp.0.%parent: hostb3 dev.amdtemp.0.sensor_offset: 0 dev.amdtemp.0.core0.sensor0: 37.5C dev.amdtemp.0.core0.sensor1: 32.7C dev.amdtemp.0.core1.sensor0: 42.2C dev.amdtemp.0.core1.sensor1: 28.2C When I looked at this previously (on another system with only one DTS), I noticed that dev.amdtemp.0.core0.sensor0 was giving the same answer as dev.cpu.0.temperature. I was unaware that amdtemp was responsible for both sysctl nodes and thought that some other kernel driver was responsible for dev.cpu.0.temperature, which is why I stopped work on my amdtemp updates. I see that the amdtemp(4) man page explains the situation. Thanks for the heads up about sysutils/bsdhwmon. ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: RELENG_8: amdtemp module and newer CPUs not working. MFC?
On Wed, 20 Feb 2013 22:29:05 -0800 (PST) Don Lewis truck...@freebsd.org wrote: Updating amdtemp is on my TODO list. It has some issues even on -CURRENT. This is kind of far down my priority list because on most of my AMD machines, I can also get the temperature without amdtemp: % sysctl hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.temperature hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.temperature: 30.0C In addition to what has already been mentioned in this thread, on most of *my* AMD machines hw.acpi.thernal yields nothing. Typical example: root@kg-quiet# sysctl hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.temperature sysctl: unknown oid 'hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.temperature' root@kg-quiet# sysctl hw.acpi.thermal sysctl: unknown oid 'hw.acpi.thermal' Typically, hw.acpi doesn't contain useful data: root@kg-quiet# sysctl hw.acpi hw.acpi.supported_sleep_state: S3 S4 S5 hw.acpi.power_button_state: S5 hw.acpi.sleep_button_state: S3 hw.acpi.lid_switch_state: NONE hw.acpi.standby_state: NONE hw.acpi.suspend_state: S3 hw.acpi.sleep_delay: 1 hw.acpi.s4bios: 0 hw.acpi.verbose: 0 hw.acpi.disable_on_reboot: 0 hw.acpi.handle_reboot: 1 hw.acpi.reset_video: 0 hw.acpi.cpu.cx_lowest: C1 HTH -- Torfinn Ingolfsen torfinn.ingolf...@getmail.no ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: RELENG_8: amdtemp module and newer CPUs not working. MFC?
On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 10:29 PM, Don Lewis truck...@freebsd.org wrote: On 17 Feb, Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote: Hello, I'm running FreeBSD 8.3-stable on a machine with an AMD A8-5600K cpu. tingo@kg-quiet$ uname -a FreeBSD kg-quiet.kg4.no 8.3-STABLE FreeBSD 8.3-STABLE #2: Fri Jan 4 19:18:15 CET 2013 r...@kg-quiet.kg4.no:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 tingo@kg-quiet$ dmesg | grep CPU | head -1 CPU: AMD A8-5600K APU with Radeon(tm) HD Graphics(3618.02-MHz K8-class CPU) Unfortunately, the amdtemp.ko module doesn't work: tingo@kg-quiet$ kldstat | grep temp 101 0x8123e000 f0f amdtemp.ko tingo@kg-quiet$ sysctl dev.amdtemp sysctl: unknown oid 'dev.amdtemp' Based on a thread[1] on the forums, amdtemp.c from -CURRENT work. But it doesn't compile under FreeBSD 8.3-stable: Updating amdtemp is on my TODO list. It has some issues even on -CURRENT. This is kind of far down my priority list because on most of my AMD machines, I can also get the temperature without amdtemp: % sysctl hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.temperature hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.temperature: 30.0C Beware! My desktop system (SuperMICRO) reports a permanent, unchanging value for acpi_thermal. 45C IIRC. amdtemp on that system returns the correct temp for all four cores. Is your always 30C? That is pretty cool! (Pun intended.) -- R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer E-mail: rkober...@gmail.com ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: RELENG_8: amdtemp module and newer CPUs not working. MFC?
On 17 Feb, Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote: Hello, I'm running FreeBSD 8.3-stable on a machine with an AMD A8-5600K cpu. tingo@kg-quiet$ uname -a FreeBSD kg-quiet.kg4.no 8.3-STABLE FreeBSD 8.3-STABLE #2: Fri Jan 4 19:18:15 CET 2013 r...@kg-quiet.kg4.no:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 tingo@kg-quiet$ dmesg | grep CPU | head -1 CPU: AMD A8-5600K APU with Radeon(tm) HD Graphics(3618.02-MHz K8-class CPU) Unfortunately, the amdtemp.ko module doesn't work: tingo@kg-quiet$ kldstat | grep temp 101 0x8123e000 f0f amdtemp.ko tingo@kg-quiet$ sysctl dev.amdtemp sysctl: unknown oid 'dev.amdtemp' Based on a thread[1] on the forums, amdtemp.c from -CURRENT work. But it doesn't compile under FreeBSD 8.3-stable: Updating amdtemp is on my TODO list. It has some issues even on -CURRENT. This is kind of far down my priority list because on most of my AMD machines, I can also get the temperature without amdtemp: % sysctl hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.temperature hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.temperature: 30.0C ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: RELENG_8: amdtemp module and newer CPUs not working. MFC?
On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 10:29:05PM -0800, Don Lewis wrote: On 17 Feb, Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote: Hello, I'm running FreeBSD 8.3-stable on a machine with an AMD A8-5600K cpu. tingo@kg-quiet$ uname -a FreeBSD kg-quiet.kg4.no 8.3-STABLE FreeBSD 8.3-STABLE #2: Fri Jan 4 19:18:15 CET 2013 r...@kg-quiet.kg4.no:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 tingo@kg-quiet$ dmesg | grep CPU | head -1 CPU: AMD A8-5600K APU with Radeon(tm) HD Graphics(3618.02-MHz K8-class CPU) Unfortunately, the amdtemp.ko module doesn't work: tingo@kg-quiet$ kldstat | grep temp 101 0x8123e000 f0f amdtemp.ko tingo@kg-quiet$ sysctl dev.amdtemp sysctl: unknown oid 'dev.amdtemp' Based on a thread[1] on the forums, amdtemp.c from -CURRENT work. But it doesn't compile under FreeBSD 8.3-stable: Updating amdtemp is on my TODO list. It has some issues even on -CURRENT. This is kind of far down my priority list because on most of my AMD machines, I can also get the temperature without amdtemp: % sysctl hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.temperature hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.temperature: 30.0C There's an implication in your statement here, so I want to clarify for readers (as the author of sysutils/bsdhwmon): acpi_thermal(4) does not necessarily tie in to an on-die DTS within the CPU. Your motherboards and CPUs (both matter! (e.g. for Intel CPUs, see PECI (not a typo)) may offer this tie-in, but such is not the case for many people. I tend to find ACPI thermal zones used in laptops and very rarely anywhere else. acpi_thermal(4) may return temperatures from zones that are mapped to readings from Super I/O chips or dedicated H/W monitoring ICs (such as ones provided by Nuvuton/Winbond, LM, ITE, ADT, etc.). It all depends on how the BIOSes ACPI tables are written/what maps to what. Such ICs DO NOT have anything to do with the on-die DTS which both amdtemp(4) and coretemp(4) use -- instead, these chips use external thermistors which may be placed anywhere on the motherboard (such as under the CPU socket, or wherever the manufacturer chooses (and more often than not, does not document)). My point: under the CPU thermistor != within the CPU DTS. They measure two different things, and are not guaranteed to be even remotely similar. I can show proof of this (a very large delta between Core i5 core DTSes and an on-board IT87xxx) if requested. -- | Jeremy Chadwick j...@koitsu.org | | UNIX Systems Administratorhttp://jdc.koitsu.org/ | | Mountain View, CA, US| | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP 4BD6C0CB | ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
RELENG_8: amdtemp module and newer CPUs not working. MFC?
Hello, I'm running FreeBSD 8.3-stable on a machine with an AMD A8-5600K cpu. tingo@kg-quiet$ uname -a FreeBSD kg-quiet.kg4.no 8.3-STABLE FreeBSD 8.3-STABLE #2: Fri Jan 4 19:18:15 CET 2013 r...@kg-quiet.kg4.no:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 tingo@kg-quiet$ dmesg | grep CPU | head -1 CPU: AMD A8-5600K APU with Radeon(tm) HD Graphics(3618.02-MHz K8-class CPU) Unfortunately, the amdtemp.ko module doesn't work: tingo@kg-quiet$ kldstat | grep temp 101 0x8123e000 f0f amdtemp.ko tingo@kg-quiet$ sysctl dev.amdtemp sysctl: unknown oid 'dev.amdtemp' Based on a thread[1] on the forums, amdtemp.c from -CURRENT work. But it doesn't compile under FreeBSD 8.3-stable: root@kg-quiet# cd /usr/src/sys/dev/amdtemp root@kg-quiet# ls -l /home/tingo/dl/amd* lrwxr-xr-x 1 tingo users 25 Feb 17 13:20 /home/tingo/dl/amdtemp.c - amdtemp.c?revision=246128 -rw-r--r-- 1 tingo users 14509 Feb 17 13:17 /home/tingo/dl/amdtemp.c?revision=246128 root@kg-quiet# mv amdtemp.c amdtemp.c_old root@kg-quiet# cp /home/tingo/dl/amdtemp.c . root@kg-quiet# cd /usr/src/sys/modules/amdtemp root@kg-quiet# make Warning: Object directory not changed from original /usr/src/sys/modules/amdtemp @ - /usr/src/sys machine - /usr/src/sys/amd64/include awk -f @/tools/makeobjops.awk @/kern/bus_if.m -h awk -f @/tools/makeobjops.awk @/kern/device_if.m -h awk -f @/tools/makeobjops.awk @/dev/pci/pci_if.m -h cc -O2 -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing -Werror -D_KERNEL -DKLD_MODULE -nostdinc -I. -I@ -I@/contrib/altq -finline-limit=8000 --param inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000 -fno-common -fno-omit-frame-pointer -mcmodel=kernel -mno-red-zone -mfpmath=387 -mno-sse -mno-sse2 -mno-sse3 -mno-mmx -mno-3dnow -msoft-float -fno-asynchronous-unwind-tables -ffreestanding -fstack-protector -std=iso9899:1999 -fstack-protector -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -c /usr/src/sys/modules/amdtemp/../../dev/amdtemp/amdtemp.c /usr/src/sys/modules/amdtemp/../../dev/amdtemp/amdtemp.c:50:28: error: x86/pci_cfgreg.h: No such file or directory cc1: warnings being treated as errors /usr/src/sys/modules/amdtemp/../../dev/amdtemp/amdtemp.c: In function 'amdtemp_attach': /usr/src/sys/modules/amdtemp/../../dev/amdtemp/amdtemp.c:314: warning: implicit declaration of function 'pci_cfgregread' /usr/src/sys/modules/amdtemp/../../dev/amdtemp/amdtemp.c:314: warning: nested extern declaration of 'pci_cfgregread' *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/sys/modules/amdtemp. Are there any plans to MFC this module? References: 1) http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=37775 -- Torfinn Ingolfsen torfinn.ingolf...@getmail.no ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
