Re: FreeBSD 6.3 or FreeBSD 7.0
On 16/11/2007, S.N.Grigoriev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 22:31:19 + (GMT) Robert Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I feel that the 7.0 kernel will prove to be one of our most stable, not to mention most performant, .0 releases to date. Unfortunately, that's not true. For example, parallel printing crashes my amd64 system since the beginning of May. I've posted PR (kern/116669) which is still open. Some other people have reported about similar problems. To my mind it's a stopper defect for 7.0 because parallel printing is one of the basic computer tasks. FreeBSD was one of the best print servers for years. But at present it cannot be used in such a role (at least on amd64). Regards, Serguey. ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Without a doubt I have to say the old saying applies dont try to fix what isnt broke, so goto 6.3 and by the time that is EOL then 7.x should be matured and a 7.1 release will exist which I have no doubt will have fixed bugs that we dont know about now. 6.0 was the same story we were all urged to upgrade our servers to it and for many people was fine but of course there was unforseen problems that had to be fixed in 6.1 and 6.2 it is a catch 22 it needs wider scale usage for problems to be found but people wont necessarily move their servers over willingly as the risk of things breaking is too high. I have a hobby server on 7.0 beta 3 but all my web servers are staying on 6.x for the forseeable future unless I have a good reason to move to 7 even taking into account the work that has gone into improving mysql performance. Chris ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD 6.3 or FreeBSD 7.0
Thu, 15 Nov 2007 22:31:19 + (GMT) Robert Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I feel that the 7.0 kernel will prove to be one of our most stable, not to mention most performant, .0 releases to date. Unfortunately, that's not true. For example, parallel printing crashes my amd64 system since the beginning of May. I've posted PR (kern/116669) which is still open. Some other people have reported about similar problems. To my mind it's a stopper defect for 7.0 because parallel printing is one of the basic computer tasks. FreeBSD was one of the best print servers for years. But at present it cannot be used in such a role (at least on amd64). Regards, Serguey. ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD 6.3 or FreeBSD 7.0
Looking at the Overview of FreeBSD-7.0, I would use it as my production, as long as my fail over servers are standby (e.g. postgres with PITR, MySQL-5.0 with replication). But if you are using 1 server for production use FreeBSD-6.3-R. My 2 cents for FreeBSD-7.0-R. br, On Nov 14, 2007 7:23 PM, Marko Lerota [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I see that 6.3 and 7.0 is comming. Now I'm using 6.2-RELEASE for my servers. To what should I upgrade? Which of them will be stable or production release? -- One cannot sell the earth upon which the people walk Tacunka Witco ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Jimmy B. Lim j i m m y b l i m @ g m a i l . c o m ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD 6.3 or FreeBSD 7.0
Jimmy Lim [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But if you are using 1 server for production use FreeBSD-6.3-R. My 2 cents for FreeBSD-7.0-R. For my personal servers I'll jump to 7.0-R, but for some customers, will wait for 7.1-R. TNX -- One cannot sell the earth upon which the people walk Tacunka Witco ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD 6.3 or FreeBSD 7.0
On Wed, 14 Nov 2007, Ivan Voras wrote: Marko Lerota wrote: I see that 6.3 and 7.0 is comming. Now I'm using 6.2-RELEASE for my servers. To what should I upgrade? Which of them will be stable or production release? For low-loaded machines, 7.0 is stable enough even with all the new goodies like ZFS, tmpfs, ULE - I have such a machine with almost 30 days uptime and have done 24h+ stress testing on another machine before blessing it for production - but I still wouldn't trust it for mission critical heads will roll type of servers. If you can, try it on a spare or lightly loaded server, it's worth it. It's probably worth pointing out three more things: (1) Quite a bit of the work in 7.x has also had to do with improving stability; for example, I've spent a significant amount of time restructuring socket and netinet-layer code to reduce its vulnerability to TCP race conditions that earlier in the 6.x life cycle could lead to panics under high load with man TCP resets in flight. These are papered over in 6.x in a less clean way because the changes to address the underlying source of the problems required significant changes I felt too aggressive to merge to 6.x. So while 7.x comes with potentially destablizing new features, it also comes with a lot of cleanup relative to 6.x that should have net stability benefits (at least in the long run). (2) The areas I would particularly stay away from in sensitive production servers are things like new file systems (ZFS), where the chances and consequences of failure may be greater. (3) At least for now, a 7.x kernel works quite well with a 6.x user space, so if you want to try out the 7.x kernel to see how it runs for you, you can do that without disrupting your application installs. You won't be able to use features like ZFS that depend on new userland tools and libraies, but you will be able to evaluate stability and performance for most base OS features. 7.0 is a .0 release, but I think it's also a really strong .0 release. While I might hesitate to recommend ZFS in less experimental settings, I feel that the 7.0 kernel will prove to be one of our most stable, not to mention most performant, .0 releases to date. I would encourage people to try it out and see how it goes for them, but as with all new releases, to do it with adequate caution and a fallback plan in the event you run into something that hasn't been found or addressed in testing to date. Robert N M Watson Computer Laboratory University of Cambridge ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD 6.3 or FreeBSD 7.0
On Thu, 15 Nov 2007, Robert Watson wrote: 7.0 is a .0 release, but I think it's also a really strong .0 release. While I might hesitate to recommend ZFS in less experimental settings, I feel that the 7.0 kernel will prove to be one of our most stable, not to mention most performant, .0 releases to date. I would encourage people to try it out and see how it goes for them, but as with all new releases, to do it with adequate caution and a fallback plan in the event you run into something that hasn't been found or addressed in testing to date. And as a last followup to this: please do run our betas, especially on test servers or servers that fail over -- we won't be able to fix problems we don't hear about, so if you can help us exercise 7.0 now, we can get these things fixed for 7.0 rather than for 7.1 :-). Even if you're just booting up and installing on a spare box and banging it with your web load and mysql load, that sort of testing is invaluable. Breadth of testing is very important to help even out the release. Robert N M Watson Computer Laboratory University of Cambridge ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD 6.3 or FreeBSD 7.0
On Wed, Nov 14, 2007 at 12:23:46PM +0100, Marko Lerota wrote: I see that 6.3 and 7.0 is comming. Now I'm using 6.2-RELEASE for my servers. To what should I upgrade? Which of them will be stable or production release? I would not use dot-zero release for production without excessive local testing period (read: at least until dot-one :) Eugene Grosbein ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD 6.3 or FreeBSD 7.0
I see that 6.3 and 7.0 is comming. Now I'm using 6.2-RELEASE for my servers. To what should I upgrade? Which of them will be stable or production release? I'm deploying FreeBSD 7 on my webservers, because they are loadbalanced. But I will not deploy ver. 7 on my db-server until I get to ver. 7.1. Other than that ver. 7 is very stable and I have not had any reboots (using ufs as fs). So if the server is very critical I would stay on the 6.x release-branch. -- regards Claus When lenity and cruelty play for a kingdom, the gentlest gamester is the soonest winner. Shakespeare ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD 6.3 or FreeBSD 7.0
Marko Lerota wrote: I see that 6.3 and 7.0 is comming. Now I'm using 6.2-RELEASE for my servers. To what should I upgrade? Which of them will be stable or production release? Both of them will be production stable at release, i'd say that unless you have reason, such as non-supported hardware in 7, to stay with the 6-branch upgrade to 7-RELEASE. 6.3 will afaik be the last revision to the 6 branch aside from bug/security fixes. Dylan ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD 6.3 or FreeBSD 7.0
Marko Lerota wrote: I see that 6.3 and 7.0 is comming. Now I'm using 6.2-RELEASE for my servers. To what should I upgrade? Which of them will be stable or production release? For low-loaded machines, 7.0 is stable enough even with all the new goodies like ZFS, tmpfs, ULE - I have such a machine with almost 30 days uptime and have done 24h+ stress testing on another machine before blessing it for production - but I still wouldn't trust it for mission critical heads will roll type of servers. If you can, try it on a spare or lightly loaded server, it's worth it. ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD 6.3 or FreeBSD 7.0
Dylan Smith wrote: Marko Lerota wrote: I see that 6.3 and 7.0 is comming. Now I'm using 6.2-RELEASE for my servers. To what should I upgrade? Which of them will be stable or production release? Both of them will be production stable at release, i'd say that unless you have reason, such as non-supported hardware in 7, to stay with the 6-branch upgrade to 7-RELEASE. 6.3 will afaik be the last revision to the 6 branch aside from bug/security fixes. If the security webpage at FreeBSD is any indication, then if (for example) 7.0 is released before 6.3, then 6.3 will be supported that much longer than 7.0. And so although the branch may be getting cut off, in the overall big picture, 6.3 may be fine. For example, around the time 6.3 (or 6-stable) stops being supported, 7.0 may be long deprecated in favor of perhaps 7.4 or 7-stable or 8.1 or whatever. The 4.x branch was ultra supported beyond its time, IIRC. Billy ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD 6.3 or FreeBSD 7.0
Quoting Dylan Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Marko Lerota wrote: I see that 6.3 and 7.0 is comming. Now I'm using 6.2-RELEASE for my servers. To what should I upgrade? Which of them will be stable or production release? Both of them will be production stable at release, i'd say that unless you have reason, such as non-supported hardware in 7, to stay with the 6-branch upgrade to 7-RELEASE. 6.3 will afaik be the last revision to the 6 branch aside from bug/security fixes. Dylan The above might be better stated as - Unless you have an immediate need for something offered in brand new full point release version here You would do well to continue using your current release adoption strategy, and wait for the dust to settle in the brand new release before adopting it as your current version. (my 0.2 cents) --Chris ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- panic: kernel trap (ignored) ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
