Re: FreeBSD Release 8.0 floppy images
Hi, Mark Linimon wrote: You can still build them. They just won't be built by default. Trying that now on 8.0-RELEASE amd64 Thanks. Ken Smith wrote: building them now fails due to another of the handful of reasons we wanted to abandon floppies ... the 'livefs' one can't and it recently started overflowing. I hope that's stable or current not 8.0-RELEASE. Those reasons combined with the fact I can't even test them any more all combined to convince the developer community 8.0 was a reasonable point to let floppy support fall by the wayside. Thanks for the reply. Understandable that developers hosts have lost interest in floppies. But a lot of old servers laptops used as spare terminas etc may have floppy ether but no cdrom or USB, inc eg this laptop running 7.2: http://www.berklix.org/~jhs/hardware/laptops/dell_latitude_xpi_p133st/ I suspect people who live near you may sometime offer to drop off a spare old PC with a floppy ;-) Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey: BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Mail plain text, Not HTML quoted-printable Base64 http://www.asciiribbon.org ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD Release 8.0 floppy images
On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 7:08 PM, pluknet pluk...@gmail.com wrote: On 10 May 2010 06:05, Joseph Olatt j...@eskimo.com wrote: As for floppies building, it was turned off intentionally starting from 8.0. See http://svn.freebsd.org/viewvc/base?view=revisionrevision=188437 I'm guessing that this because of resource constraints (getting everything to fit)? I assume that if it was just that folks weren't using them, it would be easy to keep them. A few data points: * We have some older Dell DRAC systems that don't support PXE very well, but do support loading remote floppy images. * There are still folks in countries where computer hardware doesn't get refreshed as quickly as in the U.S., and floppies are still a viable install option. * When I'm not at $WORK, one of my hobbies is restoring old computers (Whistle Interjets, Qubes, etc.) the way that some people restore old cars -- with the twist of using modern OSes. Of course, they can run NetBSD :-), but freebsd-update is a killer feature for keeping slower systems patched. Of course, some of them don't support floppies, either. In practice, once the initial install is done, floppies aren't needed. And we can always pop out the drive, and put it in a system that supports CD booting and install from there. But it's more work. :-) Royce ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD Release 8.0 floppy images
As for floppies building, it was turned off intentionally starting from 8.0. See http://svn.freebsd.org/viewvc/base?view=revisionrevision=188437 I looked earlier at URL above earlier, but just kensmith(CC added) Log Message: Turn off the building of boot floppies for amd64/i386. No reason in there, why or URL pointer to a list discussion. I'm guessing that this because of resource constraints (getting everything to fit)? I assume that if it was just that folks weren't using them, it would be easy to keep them. A few data points: Seconded. Ken, I'd suggest it would be good to commit post a comment why removed. It will later affect rescue capability of some older servers when they get upgraded, (I guess many/most legacy production servers still are 7.*, at least till 8.1 comes out). Thanks Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey: BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Mail plain text, Not HTML quoted-printable Base64 http://www.asciiribbon.org ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD Release 8.0 floppy images
You can still build them. They just won't be built by default. mcl ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD Release 8.0 floppy images
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 5/10/10 12:36 PM, Julian H. Stacey wrote: I'd suggest it would be good to commit post a comment why removed. It will later affect rescue capability of some older servers when they get upgraded, (I guess many/most legacy production servers still are 7.*, at least till 8.1 comes out). When I started down the pathway to removing them it was with the intention of removing *all* mention of floppies as part of system installation. There are quite a few things it would be really nice to rip out of sysinstall (they're hindering other progress) that are there because of floppies. We figured it had reached the point progress on making sysinstall better (or at least less annoying) in various ways being hindered by floppy support wasn't in the majority of peoples' best interest. It turned out progressing on that isn't going as well as hoped, pc98 has stronger ties to floppies than was originally thought. So, after turning off the building of floppies things got a bit stalled on the removal of what I'll call floppy-isms in sysinstall. It's still the basic path we'd like to follow, it's just slowed down a bit. As for building them at all goes... It turns out that by mistake (a system doing automated release builds on a regular interval) we discovered that building them now fails due to another of the handful of reasons we wanted to abandon floppies goes (above mentioned ripping out of stuff was just one). Most of the floppies involved can go multi-volume if necessary (e.g. the mfs floppy can span more than one physical floppy) but the 'livefs' one can't and it recently started overflowing. Those reasons combined with the fact I can't even test them any more all combined to convince the developer community 8.0 was a reasonable point to let floppy support fall by the wayside. - -- Ken Smith - - From there to here, from here to | kensm...@buffalo.edu there, funny things are everywhere. | - Theodore Geisel | -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkvoogwACgkQ/G14VSmup/bC3ACfbuczpAnz1FuC3gzzSWa3BM3I TPsAnRE/KnBwM2v9akXNuQJJmtJGnBF6 =p7a/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD Release 8.0 floppy images
On 10 May 2010 06:05, Joseph Olatt j...@eskimo.com wrote: Hi, Are floppy images no longer supplied with FreeBSD 8? The folling link [1] in the Handbook: ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/8.0-RELEASE/floppies/ results in the following error: 550 /pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/8.0-RELEASE/floppies/: No such file or directory As for floppies building, it was turned off intentionally starting from 8.0. See http://svn.freebsd.org/viewvc/base?view=revisionrevision=188437 -- wbr, pluknet ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
