Re: XFS (was: ReiserFS (was: JFS (was: The FreeBSD core team needs your help)))a
On Sunday, 8 July 2001 at 20:47:53 -0500, Dave Uhring wrote: On Sunday 08 July 2001 19:32, Matthew Emmerton wrote: This virus-like aspect of the GPL is also very loudly explained in a 12-page presentation distributed internally to all developers at IBM. (The virus-like aspect is a big deal. If someone accidentally *statically* linked a piece of GPL'd object code, such as GNU getopt(), into a major product such as DB2 EEE for Linux, then they would be forced to open the code to DB2. That would not be a very profitable move for IBM.) The problem for me (as a developer who would love to port XFS to FreeBSD, but by being employed by IBM, cannot), is that IBM would have IP rights over any changes that I would have to submit back to SGI in order to make XFS work on FreeBSD. For IBM to release that code under the GPL, SGI would have to work with IBM and come to an agreement (which would involve all of the IP laywers from the two firms battling it out). Since this process would take months and a pile of cash, FreeBSD would never see XFS. Sad, but true. Maybe I need to switch companies :) No need to switch companies over something like this. Fix up JFS for FreeBSD :-) and stay with IBM. As I've said on the correct group (FreeBSD-fs), if anybody wants to port JFS to FreeBSD, please contact me. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-stable in the body of the message
Re: XFS (was: ReiserFS (was: JFS (was: The FreeBSD core team needs your help)))a
On Sun, Jul 08, 2001 at 10:02:27AM -0400, Matthew Emmerton wrote: So why don't we get a FreeBSD port of XFS done real soon now, see what kind of kernel mods we have to make, and talk nice to the SGI folks? If they're running into brick walls at every turn on the Linux path, why don't we make the FreeBSD path look like the yellow brick road? It may be a great way to get some SGI resources headed the way of FreeBSD. Great idea! Why don't you go do it? I would, but since I currently work for IBM, it's not going to happen. (Under the terms of my current IP agreement with IBM, if I port XFS to FreeBSD, IBM will own the FreeBSD XFS port -- something I doubt SGI would be happy about. Believe me, I hate my IP agreement and want to change it, but I don't have the $$ for lawyers right now.) -- Matt Emmerton To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-stable in the body of the message
Re: JFS (was: The FreeBSD core team needs your help)
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 14:50:21 +0200 (CEST) From: A. L. Meyers [EMAIL PROTECTED] As far as I know, ReiserFS is GPL. What would porting it to FreeBSD be better or worse than other (newer and less stable) alternatives? Is this a technical issue or are politics involved? AFAIK ReiserFS is a work in progress. There are some other established journaling FS's out there which might be candidates, ie the IBM one and one from SGI. -- Philip J. Koenig [EMAIL PROTECTED] Electric Kahuna Systems -- Computers Communications for the New Millenium To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-stable in the body of the message
ReiserFS (was: JFS (was: The FreeBSD core team needs your help))
On Saturday, 7 July 2001 at 14:50:21 +0200, A. L. Meyers wrote: On Sat, 7 Jul 2001, Greg Lehey wrote: On Friday, 6 July 2001 at 11:31:49 +0100, Antony T Curtis wrote: Greg Lehey wrote: On Wednesday, 4 July 2001 at 11:38:08 +0100, Antony T Curtis wrote: Greg Lehey wrote: On Tuesday, 12 June 2001 at 19:22:45 +0200, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 12:09:58 +0100 Josef Karthauser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jun 08, 2001 at 08:32:23AM -0700, Eric Parusel wrote: A journalling FS for those people who just hate waiting for a couple of TB of slow disks to fsck? Does ReiserFS work with FreeBSD? ? ? ? (big snip) Hey, guys and gals, did you forget this part of the original post? No, they didn't notice it, because the Subject: line was pointing elsewhere. Piggybacking new questions onto old topics doesn't work well unless you change the Subject: line. Just installed SuSE Linux 7.2 with Reiser FS throughout on an Intel SMP box. The FS purrs, even on /, which doesn't mean everything is better or worse than FBSD. I don't know enough about ReiserFS to be able to give a useful opinion. The Linux people I know are by no means in agreement about its merits, but I've heard that it's best as a special purpose FS for small files. I don't know how valid that statement is. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-stable in the body of the message
Re: JFS (was: The FreeBSD core team needs your help)
On Wednesday, 4 July 2001 at 11:38:08 +0100, Antony T Curtis wrote: Greg Lehey wrote: On Tuesday, 12 June 2001 at 19:22:45 +0200, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 12:09:58 +0100 Josef Karthauser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jun 08, 2001 at 08:32:23AM -0700, Eric Parusel wrote: A journalling FS for those people who just hate waiting for a couple of TB of slow disks to fsck? Does ReiserFS work with FreeBSD? From what I've read, XFS is quite good as well (Whether or not it could ever work with *BSD, I don't know) Apparently XFS would run better on FreeBSD than on Linux, from what Whatever happened to the open source release of JFS, or is JFS really bad ? The open source version of JFS was based on OS/2, not AIX. It's not an overly good fit to UNIX. That was only because AIX's JFS implementation was so closely bound into their kernel that there was no easy way to port it out of it. Also, AFAIK, it was written in a mesh of different languages too, including POWER architecture assembly. The OS/2 version was the first clean implementation to plug into OS/2's IFS driver model - and being written in C, it is much more 'portable'. (AFAIK, it was supposed to be able to be recompiled for OS/2 for CHRP PowerPC) Since writing that (quite some time ago, IIRC) I have joined IBM and am now working with the people who did the JFS port. They substantially confirm your viewpoint, with the added information that the old JFS, now called JFS 1, is being phased out under AIX, and the new AIX JFS, JFS 2, is based on the same code base as the OS/2 port. With that background, IBM's approach makes a lot more sense. It's a pity that this issue wasn't clarified earlier. All said, I would be interested in a JFS port for FreeBSD I'm going to be doing a lot of work on JFS in the next few months. I don't think I'll port it to FreeBSD, but I'll be available for questions, and I'll have a better understanding. unix soit qui mal y pense You're aware that the original word of this phrase, hon(n)i, means ashamed? Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-stable in the body of the message
Re: The FreeBSD core team needs your help
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Re: The FreeBSD core team needs your help
:[jkh shows up in a british military uniform] : :OK, stop this at once, it's SILLY! cat /usr/share/examples/ibcs2/README | sed -e 's/.*l //' | sed -e 's/ t.*//' -Matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-stable in the body of the message
Re: The FreeBSD core team needs your help
So, what help do the Core Team need? Maybe this could be posted to the web with a link from http://www.freebsd.org? :) -danny To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-stable in the body of the message
Re: The FreeBSD core team needs your help
On Fri, 8 Jun 2001, Donn Miller wrote: Does ReiserFS work with FreeBSD? Nope. ReiserFS is very Linux-specific at the moment. -giorgos To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-stable in the body of the message
Re: The FreeBSD core team needs your help
I think you guys should write a short-and-to-the-point application and send it to the core team. In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Doug D enault writes: I am also interested in doing this On Fri, 1 Jun 2001, Greg Lehey wrote: Those of you who have been following the mailing lists will have noticed (or participated in) a thread bemoaning the continued lack of feedback from the core team. That thread is still very active, but one suggestion (made by phk) was to send out a message asking for help getting things done. It's easy to claim that this would work, but first we need to know if anybody would be interested. Here's phk's text: HELP WANTED The FreeBSD core team is looking for an assistant to help with tracking and recording the issues being worked by core. Responsibilities: [cut] -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-stable in the body of the message
