Re: Warner's PCI Modem Driver
On Wed, 26 Jan 2000, Jason C. Wells wrote: The guy at the shop said, "That's stragne. I have a policy against carrying win-modems. Apparently, there was some lack of indication that it was a winmodem. He then assumed it wasnt a winmodem. Few facts from my experience: 1. A producer lies to distributor. Distributors lie to shop managers. Shop managers lie to us, the customers. For example, the guy - wholesaler tried to convince me that Winmodems are modems without a DSP (Digital Signalling Processor)! So nearly _all_ operations have to be carried out in hardware. I told him, on the other hand - and asked him to verify - that all his cheap PCI modems do not have an UART (Universal Asynchrononus Receiver/Transmitter) like old NS16450A or compatible. Real modem requires at least 2 large chips :). He remained unconvinced, but this is UART which makes the modem supported on all good operating systems. Many Winmodems are unsupported under Windows NT too. I am not sure but I think that Winmodem is a trademark of 3Com. 2. I have a customer who returned a PCI modem (he said we may give it away to charity) and bought a nice ISA internal one. He couldn't stand it although he was using ... Windows on a somewhat powerful hardware. ISA internal modems are good and safe, as long as there are boards with at least one ISA slot. -- Marcin Cieslak // [EMAIL PROTECTED] - SYSTEM Internet Provider http://www.system.pl To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message
Re: Warner's PCI Modem Driver
On Wed, 26 Jan 2000, Jason C. Wells wrote: I am told that the modem is not a winmodem, but I don't know how to tell by looking at it. The modem is a Phoebe. The documentation for it is sparse. I took a gander at the Phoebe web page at http://www.phoebemicro.com/modems/pci.htm and I dont see ANY of the modems which I would trust to NOT be a winmodem. On the modem itself, there should be some numbers on the largest chip or chips. Could you provide us with those, represented as well as you can off of the modem? (this should tell us if it's a winmodem, if someone can identify the chipset.) Also, if you could try to figure out which phoebe modem it is, it would also be helpful. Alternatively, save yourself some time and go buy a USRobotics (now 3com) Sportster (NOT winmodem) Modem. I have personally used the USR part number 5687 for an internal ISA modem and it works well (http://www.3com.com/client/pcd/products/prod-faxmod5687-int.html). I have also used the 5686 external modem as well. (http://www.3com.com/client/pcd/products/prod-faxmod5686-ext.html) It appears that the 5610 PCI versions would work also. (The other advantage is that USR is really good about saying "WINMODEM" in most cases). HINT: When looking at modem specs you want to see something like the following: - Minimum System Requirements: IBM Compatible 486DX or Pentium Processor with available 2.1 PCI Slot. DOS, Microsoft Windows 95, 98 or Windows NT 4. - The key here is 486 and DOS. If it will work under DOS on a 486 it should work under freebsd. (Yes I know there are a couple exceptions, but they are few and far between) Occasionally, a vendor will only list Pentiums or higher, or will only list Windows OS'es. This isn't a guarantee that any given modem will work, but as a general rule, a Winmodem needs BOTH a pentium and Windows 95+ to work. Be very very wary of ANYTHING which says "Pentium 120 or higher" or the like. Geez. Life would be much easier if people would just say "Compatible with most Unix-based operating systems on the PC" on the box. - Forrest W. Christian ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) KD7EHZ -- iMach, Ltd., P.O. Box 5749, Helena, MT 59604 http://www.imach.com Solutions for your high-tech problems. (406)-442-6648 -- To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message
Re: Warner's PCI Modem Driver
"Forrest W. Christian" wrote: [deleted] Geez. Life would be much easier if people would just say "Compatible with most Unix-based operating systems on the PC" on the box. Risking getting off topic, I saw a (I believe it was a USR) modem that did say "Linux compatible" on it. It's a start. I also despise winmodem. Some seem to require MMX extensions also. Cheers, -- Alan Edmonds, KB5ZUY Sterling Software M/S 132 Phone: +1-972-801-6485 5800 Tennyson Pkwy. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Plano, TX, USA 75024 To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message
Re: Warner's PCI Modem Driver
On Wed, 26 Jan 2000, Warner Losh wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Jason C. Wells" writes: : sio0: Generic communications device, maybe winmodem rev 0x08 int a irq : 9 on pci0.18.0 : sio2: pci sio unit 0 moved to sio2 at 0x6100 : sio2: pci unit 0 probe failed : : I am told that the modem is not a winmodem, but I don't know how to tell : by looking at it. The modem is a Phoebe. The documentation for it is : sparse. You may be being lied to, imho. :-) The probe failed means that it was unable to talk to it even as a 8250. So it turns out. My friend turned me on to a linux site that list the braindead modems. Mine was on the list. The guy at the shop said, "That's stragne. I have a policy against carrying win-modems. Apparently, there was some lack of indication that it was a winmodem. He then assumed it wasnt a winmodem. : It would seem to me that my device is configured except that pesky : "probe failed" message. Is my PCI modem working? What am I missing? : Should I move my sio device numbers around so that the PCI modem doesn't : get moved to sio2? No. That the modem likely isn't a pci controller based modem. No. The pci code does that on its own and will always do that. How much did you pay for this board? If it is $80 then you likely have a winmodem. Or at least a controllerless modem. Also, what chipset does it use? Conexant R56D/fooPCI Relax. You've done nothing wrong. I have seen Jordan climb in a couple people shorts with a hot poker on a couple occasions. When I get a good connection I'll be back! Thank you Mr. Losh, Jason C. Wells To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message
Re: Warner's PCI Modem Driver
On Wed, 26 Jan 2000, Alan Edmonds wrote: "Forrest W. Christian" wrote: [deleted] Geez. Life would be much easier if people would just say "Compatible with most Unix-based operating systems on the PC" on the box. Risking getting off topic, I saw a (I believe it was a USR) modem that did say "Linux compatible" on it. It's a start. I also despise winmodem. Some seem to require MMX extensions also. A couple people have mentioned USR. I may take a look at them. Thanks, Jason C. Wells To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message
Re: Warner's PCI Modem Driver
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Jason C. Wells" writes: : So it turns out. My friend turned me on to a linux site that list the : braindead modems. URL? I'd love to see that list... : Mine was on the list. The guy at the shop said, "That's : stragne. I have a policy against carrying win-modems. Apparently, there : was some lack of indication that it was a winmodem. He then assumed it : wasnt a winmodem. Did the packaging say you needed a Pentium 133 or better? That's another indication. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message
Re: Warner's PCI Modem Driver
Greetings and Salutations: To continue off topic (sorry!) When I got my USR v.Everything internal modem, I was quite pleasantly surprised to find a whole section of the manual dedicated to UNIX based OS. ciao, djz At 10:58 PM 01/26/2000 , Alan Edmonds wrote: "Forrest W. Christian" wrote: [deleted] Geez. Life would be much easier if people would just say "Compatible with most Unix-based operating systems on the PC" on the box. Risking getting off topic, I saw a (I believe it was a USR) modem that did say "Linux compatible" on it. It's a start. I also despise winmodem. Some seem to require MMX extensions also. Cheers, -- Alan Edmonds, KB5ZUY Sterling Software M/S 132 Phone: +1-972-801-6485 5800 Tennyson Pkwy. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Plano, TX, USA 75024 To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message
Re: Warner's PCI Modem Driver
"Jason C. Wells" wrote: A couple people have mentioned USR. I may take a look at them. I believe that they were bought by 3COM a few years back. I also believe that they *invented* winmodems, so be careful. That said, the modem I got from them was just fine. I did have to revert to Windows to flash its ROM's, though. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message
Re: Warner's PCI Modem Driver
Dan Zerkle [EMAIL PROTECTED] probably said: I believe that they were bought by 3COM a few years back. I also believe that they *invented* winmodems, so be careful. Pretty much, yes. That said, the modem I got from them was just fine. I did have to revert to Windows to flash its ROM's, though. I am a _big_ fan of external USR couriers, their top of the line modem. They are _not_ cheap, but for me they are worth it because of the saved hassle because they pretty much just work and being flash upgradable essentially forever (14.4k couriers can be upgraded to V.90). I like the external models since I can move them between machines easily (and use them on non-PCs) as well as being able to reset them without rebooting the machine. Never bought another modem ... P. -- pir [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message
Re: Warner's PCI Modem Driver
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dan Zerkle writes: : I believe that they were bought by 3COM a few years back. I also : believe that they *invented* winmodems, so be careful. Yes. Be careful. There are two known good modems. One is the 3Com PCI FaxModem (model 5610). The other is ActionTec 56k FAX pci modem. This modem has been renamed to something like the ActionTec Call Waiting PCI Modem. The Linux page lists a third modem by Multitec. I've not been able to get my hands on that one, however. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message
Re: Warner's PCI Modem Driver
Today Peter Radcliffe wrote: Dan Zerkle [EMAIL PROTECTED] probably said: That said, the modem I got from them was just fine. I did have to revert to Windows to flash its ROM's, though. I am a _big_ fan of external USR couriers, their top of the line modem. What he said. They are _not_ cheap, but for me they are worth it because of the saved hassle because they pretty much just work and being flash upgradable essentially forever (14.4k couriers can be upgraded to V.90). And don't need dos to flash. The newer ones, and flashed older ones, can be done with an xmodem upload. -- Jack O'NeillSystems Administrator / Systems Analyst [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crystal Wind Communications, Inc. Finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for my PGP key. PGP Key fingerprint = F6 C4 E6 D4 2F 15 A7 67 FD 09 E9 3C 5F CC EB CD enriched, vcard, HTML messages /dev/null -- To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message
Re: Warner's PCI Modem Driver
Jason C. Wells writes: I have seen Jordan climb in a couple people shorts with a hot poker on a couple occasions. Great, now i'll never get any sleep. rone -- Insultant: n. Contract worker who gets paid an obscene hourly wage to insult full-time company employees. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message
