Re: happy hacker lite 2 keyboard
Finally got the kb. As almost everyone anticipated, it refused to work connected to ps/2 adapter with usb - ps/2. I had to recompile the kernel and put usb code back. So far, so good. Thanks all for support. Zoran ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: happy hacker lite 2 keyboard
na...@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) wrote: PS/2 is dead. Not. The old _ISA-based_ PS/2 is dead. PS/2 interfaces, provided by other means (such as microcontrollers), are making a comeback, presumably because USB requires such a large and complex protocol stack to do much of anything. I have a fairly recent Atom demo board, with PS/2 mouse and keyboard connectors, at the office. ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: happy hacker lite 2 keyboard
Zoran Kolic zko...@sbb.rs wrote: Wikipedia has an overview of all models: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Happy_Hacking_Keyboard Professional is a bit expensive. Lite 2 is just fine to my needs. The HHKB Pro line is ridiculously expensive, but when I got my Pro I realized just how crappy the Lite was in comparison. (Not sure what happened to my Lite... I think it died along with the mainboard when a power supply blew.) They are all usb models nowadays. PS/2 is dead. Get used to it. Btw, have you changed something in node configuration to match 65 key kb? No, I use it as a standard pc105 keyboard. The fact that the additional keys don't exist doesn't matter. I only put setxkbmap -layout us -option compose:ralt into xdm/Xsetup_0 because I need a compose key for German and French. -- Christian naddy Weisgerber na...@mips.inka.de ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: happy hacker lite 2 keyboard
On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 06:20:22PM +, Christian Weisgerber wrote: Zoran Kolic zko...@sbb.rs wrote: They are all usb models nowadays. PS/2 is dead. Get used to it. Hear, hear. Not to get off-track, but I want to make you aware: There are known complexities with FreeBSD and USB-based keyboards (such as if the kernel crashes before the USB stack and kbdmux can get configured, you can't type anything). The USB Legacy or USB Emulation option in a BIOS doesn't help -- the kernel is already loaded at that point, so emulation interrupts induced by the BIOS (to emulate USB keyboard-PS/2) are lost. The only thing this option helps is the boot0/boot2/loader stages. There are also problems when dropping to single-user mode (occasionally the keyboard won't work); nothing ticks me off more than doing a system upgrade only to find that one can't type at the Select a shell or hit enter for /bin/sh prompt. There is evidence that disabling kbdmux and/or atkbd/atkbc can help, but for some people this isn't an option (such as those using laptops who do need/rely on kbdmux). There has been improvement in this area between 8.0 and 8.2, but I stopped tracking the efforts and switched everything FreeBSD I had over to PS/2 because I can't chance it any longer. I would love to know how Linux solved this predicament, if at all. God I love PC architecture. ;-) -- | Jeremy Chadwick j...@parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP 4BD6C0CB | ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: happy hacker lite 2 keyboard
Eric Schnoebelen e...@cirr.com wrote: - All newer HH keuboards are usb ones. Manufacturer doesn't - confirm connection to ps/2 port with usb to ps/2 adapter. - Is there any reason not to do that on amd64? - - Hrm, strange that a nice keyboard like that comes as USB only. The orginal Happy Hacker was PS2. The original Happy Hacking Keyboard offered a choice of PS/2, Sun, and ADB with different adapter cables. The original HHKB Lite was PS/2. I don't know if the original Happy Hacker keyboard is still available, it hasn't been an issue for me. :D The successor to the original HHKB were the HHKB Professional (I'm typing this on one) and now the HHKB Professional 2. Both are USB only; the Pro2 added a hub. Wikipedia has an overview of all models: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Happy_Hacking_Keyboard -- Christian naddy Weisgerber na...@mips.inka.de ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: happy hacker lite 2 keyboard
I don't know if the original Happy Hacker keyboard is still available, it hasn't been an issue for me. :D The successor to the original HHKB were the HHKB Professional (I'm typing this on one) and now the HHKB Professional 2. Both are USB only; the Pro2 added a hub. Wikipedia has an overview of all models: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Happy_Hacking_Keyboard Professional is a bit expensive. Lite 2 is just fine to my needs. They are all usb models nowadays. Fashion, just as wide screen monitors are. My plan, when kb arrives, is to put adapter to the end of cable and connect it to ps/2 jack. Manufacturer has a wiki page, where he ponders against usb - ps/2 correction. That was the starting point for my original post. For what reason are they against? Btw, have you changed something in node configuration to match 65 key kb? How it goes in xorg.conf file in line for driver, which is kbd for ps/2 kb? I disabled hald whith those 3 lines: Section Server Flags Option DontZap off Option AllowEmptyInput off Option AutoAddDevicesfalse EndSection Best regards Zoran ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: happy hacker lite 2 keyboard
On Sun, 13 Mar 2011, Zoran Kolic wrote: match 65 key kb? How it goes in xorg.conf file in line for driver, which is kbd for ps/2 kb? I disabled hald whith those 3 lines: Section Server Flags Option DontZap off Option AllowEmptyInput off Option AutoAddDevicesfalse EndSection The first option is a default, probably not necessary. The second option is... well, since it was too late to stamp it out, I decided instead to make it famous: http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/aei.html The third option is all you need to disable hal device autodetection in xorg. Put it in ServerLayout and the ServerFlags section is not needed. ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: happy hacker lite 2 keyboard
Anyway, I've had really bad luck with off the shelf adapters. You are probably OK with just running it as USB. Should do if running through adapter fails. I always remove usb stack from kernel. Have to check how the change interacts with x configura- tion. Console mode asks for few lines to recog- nize kb. Best regards Zoran ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: happy hacker lite 2 keyboard
Quite late return to the subject. I finally ordered one for myself and have a question regarding it's usage with 64 bit system. All newer HH keuboards are usb ones. Manufacturer doesn't confirm connection to ps/2 port with usb to ps/2 adapter. Is there any reason not to do that on amd64? Best regards Zoran ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: happy hacker lite 2 keyboard
On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 10:15:27 -0600, Zoran Kolic zko...@sbb.rs wrote: Quite late return to the subject. I finally ordered one for myself and have a question regarding it's usage with 64 bit system. All newer HH keuboards are usb ones. Manufacturer doesn't confirm connection to ps/2 port with usb to ps/2 adapter. Is there any reason not to do that on amd64? Hrm, strange that a nice keyboard like that comes as USB only. My Adesso comes natively as PS/2 but has a PS/2 to USB converter that works flawlessly. The idea is that PS/2 is better for keyboards because it allows you to simultaneously press more keys at once than USB can handle. Anyway, I've had really bad luck with off the shelf adapters. You are probably OK with just running it as USB. Regards, Mark ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: happy hacker lite 2 keyboard
On 03/10/2011 09:31, Mark Felder wrote: Hrm, strange that a nice keyboard like that comes as USB only. It's not _that_ strange. PS/2 doesn't allow for safe hot-plugging, USB does. And very few typists are going to exceed the keyrate of USB. -- Nothin' ever doesn't change, but nothin' changes much. -- OK Go Breadth of IT experience, and depth of knowledge in the DNS. Yours for the right price. :) http://SupersetSolutions.com/ ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: happy hacker lite 2 keyboard
Mark Felder writes: - On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 10:15:27 -0600, Zoran Kolic zko...@sbb.rs wrote: - All newer HH keuboards are usb ones. Manufacturer doesn't - confirm connection to ps/2 port with usb to ps/2 adapter. - Is there any reason not to do that on amd64? - - - Hrm, strange that a nice keyboard like that comes as USB only. The orginal Happy Hacker was PS2. I have two of those, as well as two of the USB HH2's.. I don't know if the original Happy Hacker keyboard is still available, it hasn't been an issue for me. :D -- Eric Schnoebelene...@cirr.com http://www.cirr.com Cutting the space budget really restores my faith in humanity. It eliminates dreams, goals, and ideals and lets us get straight to the business of hate, debauchery, and self-annihilation. -- Johnny Hart ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: happy hacker lite 2 keyboard
The Happy Hacking keyboard doesn't have a numpad. I didn't have any problems because of this, regardless of having it enabled/disabled in the BIOS. Sorry for late reply. My old keyboard has numpad part. Since hh lite 2 has it not, I simply ask for behaveor of kb with options I set. I turn off numpad support in bios first. It removes numpad and let me jump from one part of the big screen in fvwm2 to the other one. If I turn numpad on, I cannot do that. Since I never used usb keyboard, cannot comment on the other concern, hh lite 2 and booting process. Best regards all Zoran ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: happy hacker lite 2 keyboard
Zoran wrote: Thaks for reply. I have one in use since ~5 years. The typing feel is a lot better compared to the Logitech keyboard I had before. The only problem I have with mine is that it's not usable with the boot loader menu. It seems to be hardware related as it works fine with other computers (using different chipsets). There is always chance to use it with ps2 converter. All new keyboards are usb in fact, but I add that little plastic in between. I'm aware of that, but didn't try it. On the other hand, the BIOS seems to be a little bit too stupid to handle this correctly. As I'm switching this computer on only once per day and not updating my system every other day, I don't really care about it any longer ;-) Besides, the HHKB Lite 2 has two USB ports integrated which are quite handy sometimes. [...] I still have something to ponder. To have more than one screen in fvwm, actually four of them, I ought to turn off numpad first. Then I use com- bination of Alt-Fx to jump here and there. In bios I removed numpad and it is not working on the kb, to my wish. Any thought how it goes on HH? The Happy Hacking keyboard doesn't have a numpad. I didn't have any problems because of this, regardless of having it enabled/disabled in the BIOS. Happy Hacking ;-) Philipp
Re: happy hacker lite 2 keyboard
On 31/12/2010, at 5:44, Philipp Ost wrote: I still have something to ponder. To have more than one screen in fvwm, actually four of them, I ought to turn off numpad first. Then I use com- bination of Alt-Fx to jump here and there. In bios I removed numpad and it is not working on the kb, to my wish. Any thought how it goes on HH? The Happy Hacking keyboard doesn't have a numpad. I didn't have any problems because of this, regardless of having it enabled/disabled in the BIOS. I suspect that only applies to keyboards the BIOS sees, so in your case a PS/2 one. You can set numlock in X with the x11/numlockx port (I've never used it though). -- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 5596 B766 97C0 0E94 4347 295E E593 DC20 7B3F CE8C
Re: happy hacker lite 2 keyboard
On Sat, Dec 25, 2010 at 06:17:08AM +0100, Zoran wrote: Thaks for reply. I have one in use since ~5 years. The typing feel is a lot better compared to the Logitech keyboard I had before. The only problem I have with mine is that it's not usable with the boot loader menu. It seems to be hardware related as it works fine with other computers (using different chipsets). There is always chance to use it with ps2 converter. All new keyboards are usb in fact, but I add that little plastic in between. I should note that the feature needed in your BIOS to make a USB keyboard work in operating systems that lack USB drivers (ex. MS-DOS, FreeBSD bootloader, GRUB, etc.) is often called USB Legacy or USB Keyboard/Mouse Emulation. If your BIOS does not offer this capability, you need to contact your system manufacturer and discuss this fact. Don't bother to mention FreeBSD or GRUB. Simply tell them that when you boot into MS-DOS via a floppy or CD-ROM, you cannot type anything at the C:\ prompt on your keyboard. Otherwise, try upgrading the system BIOS + reset the settings to factory defaults and see if you find any improvement. If not, continue communicating with your system manufacturer. -- | Jeremy Chadwick j...@parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP 4BD6C0CB | ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
happy hacker lite 2 keyboard
Dear all! I consider buying new keyboard and found happy hacker lite 2 model suiting fine. Is there someone on the list with expe- rience using it? I'm aware I should change rc.conf to meet it's 65 key layout. Also, how xorg.conf has to look like in this situation? Best regards Zoran ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: happy hacker lite 2 keyboard
Zoran wrote: I consider buying new keyboard and found happy hacker lite 2 model suiting fine. Is there someone on the list with expe- rience using it? I have one in use since ~5 years. The typing feel is a lot better compared to the Logitech keyboard I had before. The only problem I have with mine is that it's not usable with the boot loader menu. It seems to be hardware related as it works fine with other computers (using different chipsets). I'm aware I should change rc.conf to meet it's 65 key layout. Also, how xorg.conf has to look like in this situation? The only keyboard-specific thing I have in my rc.conf is 'keymap=us.iso'. My xorg.conf contains the following entries in the InputDevice section: Option XkbRules xorg Option XkbModel pc101 Option XkbLayout us I say it should work right out of the box ;-) In addition, I did configure a .xmodmaprc to get umlauts, etc. HTH, Philipp
Re: happy hacker lite 2 keyboard
On 25/12/2010, at 5:15, Philipp Ost wrote: The only problem I have with mine is that it's not usable with the boot loader menu. It seems to be hardware related as it works fine with other computers (using different chipsets). If it's a USB keyboard then it's up to your BIOS if it will work in the loader. ie it needs to probe for USB devices and be able to parse the keyboard messages on behalf of the loader. -- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 5596 B766 97C0 0E94 4347 295E E593 DC20 7B3F CE8C
Re: happy hacker lite 2 keyboard
Thaks for reply. I have one in use since ~5 years. The typing feel is a lot better compared to the Logitech keyboard I had before. The only problem I have with mine is that it's not usable with the boot loader menu. It seems to be hardware related as it works fine with other computers (using different chipsets). There is always chance to use it with ps2 converter. All new keyboards are usb in fact, but I add that little plastic in between. The only keyboard-specific thing I have in my rc.conf is 'keymap=us.iso'. K. Then I have to change nothing. My xorg.conf contains the following entries in the InputDevice section: Option XkbRules xorg Option XkbModel pc101 Option XkbLayout us I don't have this. Should be easy to check out if necessary. I say it should work right out of the box ;-) In addition, I did configure a .xmodmaprc to get umlauts, etc. Yep, I assume I would have to change my xmodmaprc to match new layout. The other part is that fvwm2rc uses that layout to have extra tweaks for window manager. I still have something to ponder. To have more than one screen in fvwm, actually four of them, I ought to turn off numpad first. Then I use com- bination of Alt-Fx to jump here and there. In bios I removed numpad and it is not working on the kb, to my wish. Any thought how it goes on HH? Best regards Zoran ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
