Re: list spam
Chris H. wrote: Quoting Stephen Montgomery-Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Mike Lempriere wrote: I've had it with the list spam -- is the any possibility of moderating this list, or changing it to must-be-subscriber-to-post? I have the opposite experience. I am amazed at how little spam this list gets. So far today, only one piece of spam - from the ports list. I'd have to agree. I'm subscribed to several of the FBSD lists. Yet in any 30 day period, the most I've received is less than 4. I'd have to say, that's a pretty good ratio. :) --Chris H Same here. ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: list spam
Quoting Stephen Montgomery-Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Mike Lempriere wrote: I've had it with the list spam -- is the any possibility of moderating this list, or changing it to must-be-subscriber-to-post? I have the opposite experience. I am amazed at how little spam this list gets. So far today, only one piece of spam - from the ports list. I'd have to agree. I'm subscribed to several of the FBSD lists. Yet in any 30 day period, the most I've received is less than 4. I'd have to say, that's a pretty good ratio. :) --Chris H ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- panic: kernel trap (ignored) ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: list spam
Hi Oliver Fromme! On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:33:37 +0100 (CET); Oliver Fromme wrote about 'Re: list spam': I've had it with the list spam -- is the any possibility of moderating this list, or changing it to must-be-subscriber-to-post? I for one would like this too. On one hand, it is inconvenient for people with multiple email addresses, but there is an easy way around that. What you do is subscribe twice, and go to the options page and turn off email for one of them. That way you can (for example) email with your normal address and receive email from the list on unique addresses for sorting or whatever. We do this on other lists for freebsd.org. However, we need to have mailman be a little smarter about it. Right now, it holds the messages for moderation. Instead, it needs to immediately bounce the email with instructions about what to do. Otherwise we have the situation where somebody emails and gets i the queue, then sends with the right address and it goes through. Later on, the message is approved and we get a duplicate on the list. If we're going to go that route, what I'd like to see is a message-free freebsd-posters list I can join once using a posting address that is then authorized to post to any list. Yes, please. I'm not subsribed to the lists because I'm reading them through a one-way NNTP gateway ( and I guess I'm not the only one). I certainly wouldn't want to manage several dozens subscriptions just to be able to post to the lists. Yes, me too, but I'm using two-way NNTP-server - gmane.org. Please keep it allowing to still post. -- WBR, Vadim Goncharov. ICQ#166852181 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [Moderator of RU.ANTI-ECOLOGY][FreeBSD][http://antigreen.org][LJ:/nuclight] ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: list spam
On Sun, Mar 9, 2008 at 8:53 PM, Mike Lempriere [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've had it with the list spam -- is the any possibility of moderating this list, or changing it to must-be-subscriber-to-post? I for one would like this too. On one hand, it is inconvenient for people with multiple email addresses, but there is an easy way around that. What you do is subscribe twice, and go to the options page and turn off email for one of them. That way you can (for example) email with your normal address and receive email from the list on unique addresses for sorting or whatever. We do this on other lists for freebsd.org. However, we need to have mailman be a little smarter about it. Right now, it holds the messages for moderation. Instead, it needs to immediately bounce the email with instructions about what to do. Otherwise we have the situation where somebody emails and gets i the queue, then sends with the right address and it goes through. Later on, the message is approved and we get a duplicate on the list. -Peter -- Peter Wemm - [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] All of this is for nothing if we don't go to the stars - JMS/B5 If Java had true garbage collection, most programs would delete themselves upon execution. -- Robert Sewell ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: list spam
Peter Wemm wrote: On Sun, Mar 9, 2008 at 8:53 PM, Mike Lempriere [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've had it with the list spam -- is the any possibility of moderating this list, or changing it to must-be-subscriber-to-post? I for one would like this too. On one hand, it is inconvenient for people with multiple email addresses, but there is an easy way around that. What you do is subscribe twice, and go to the options page and turn off email for one of them. That way you can (for example) email with your normal address and receive email from the list on unique addresses for sorting or whatever. Sympa (http://www.sympa.org) is a mailing list manager which allows you to define all your alternative addresses (in a single subscription). Also it has some number of integrated anti-spam features already integrated or being integrated into it. ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: list spam
On Sun, 9 Mar 2008, Peter Wemm wrote: On Sun, Mar 9, 2008 at 8:53 PM, Mike Lempriere [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've had it with the list spam -- is the any possibility of moderating this list, or changing it to must-be-subscriber-to-post? I for one would like this too. On one hand, it is inconvenient for people with multiple email addresses, but there is an easy way around that. What you do is subscribe twice, and go to the options page and turn off email for one of them. That way you can (for example) email with your normal address and receive email from the list on unique addresses for sorting or whatever. We do this on other lists for freebsd.org. However, we need to have mailman be a little smarter about it. Right now, it holds the messages for moderation. Instead, it needs to immediately bounce the email with instructions about what to do. Otherwise we have the situation where somebody emails and gets i the queue, then sends with the right address and it goes through. Later on, the message is approved and we get a duplicate on the list. If we're going to go that route, what I'd like to see is a message-free freebsd-posters list I can join once using a posting address that is then authorized to post to any list. That way I don't have to talk the 80+ mailing lists and re-subscribe to each one a second time, disabling receipt of messages, etc. This would also allow us to expempt things like gnats, etc, easily. Robert N M Watson Computer Laboratory University of Cambridge ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: list spam
Ooppss... La discussion fait rage. Mais sa suggestion n'est pas interessante ? Avoir un nombre de listes pour lesquelles on peut poster à partir du moment où l'on existe dans des bases ? Ceci peut être interessant, pour eux, mais pour nous à l'ecole des mines et pour d'autres aussi. Actuellement, nous avons un tas de listes intranet (tous_paris, tous...) et on peut poster à partir du moment où l'expéditeur est dans le domaine ensmp.fr, mais on n'empeche pas l'usurpation d'adresse bidon. Si vous avez la possibilité de faire un truc du genre... Robert Watson wrote: On Sun, 9 Mar 2008, Peter Wemm wrote: On Sun, Mar 9, 2008 at 8:53 PM, Mike Lempriere [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've had it with the list spam -- is the any possibility of moderating this list, or changing it to must-be-subscriber-to-post? I for one would like this too. On one hand, it is inconvenient for people with multiple email addresses, but there is an easy way around that. What you do is subscribe twice, and go to the options page and turn off email for one of them. That way you can (for example) email with your normal address and receive email from the list on unique addresses for sorting or whatever. We do this on other lists for freebsd.org. However, we need to have mailman be a little smarter about it. Right now, it holds the messages for moderation. Instead, it needs to immediately bounce the email with instructions about what to do. Otherwise we have the situation where somebody emails and gets i the queue, then sends with the right address and it goes through. Later on, the message is approved and we get a duplicate on the list. If we're going to go that route, what I'd like to see is a message-free freebsd-posters list I can join once using a posting address that is then authorized to post to any list. That way I don't have to talk the 80+ mailing lists and re-subscribe to each one a second time, disabling receipt of messages, etc. This would also allow us to expempt things like gnats, etc, easily. Robert N M Watson Computer Laboratory University of Cambridge ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- --- Jose Marcio MARTINS DA CRUZ http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr Ecole des Mines de Paris 60, bd Saint Michel 75272 - PARIS CEDEX 06 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: list spam
Robert Watson wrote: On Sun, 9 Mar 2008, Peter Wemm wrote: On Sun, Mar 9, 2008 at 8:53 PM, Mike Lempriere [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've had it with the list spam -- is the any possibility of moderating this list, or changing it to must-be-subscriber-to-post? I for one would like this too. On one hand, it is inconvenient for people with multiple email addresses, but there is an easy way around that. What you do is subscribe twice, and go to the options page and turn off email for one of them. That way you can (for example) email with your normal address and receive email from the list on unique addresses for sorting or whatever. We do this on other lists for freebsd.org. However, we need to have mailman be a little smarter about it. Right now, it holds the messages for moderation. Instead, it needs to immediately bounce the email with instructions about what to do. Otherwise we have the situation where somebody emails and gets i the queue, then sends with the right address and it goes through. Later on, the message is approved and we get a duplicate on the list. If we're going to go that route, what I'd like to see is a message-free freebsd-posters list I can join once using a posting address that is then authorized to post to any list. Yes, please. I'm not subsribed to the lists because I'm reading them through a one-way NNTP gateway ( and I guess I'm not the only one). I certainly wouldn't want to manage several dozens subscriptions just to be able to post to the lists. Best regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH Co. KG, Marktplatz 29, 85567 Grafing b. M. Handelsregister: Registergericht Muenchen, HRA 74606, Geschäftsfuehrung: secnetix Verwaltungsgesellsch. mbH, Handelsregister: Registergericht Mün- chen, HRB 125758, Geschäftsführer: Maik Bachmann, Olaf Erb, Ralf Gebhart FreeBSD-Dienstleistungen, -Produkte und mehr: http://www.secnetix.de/bsd 'Instead of asking why a piece of software is using 1970s technology, start asking why software is ignoring 30 years of accumulated wisdom.' ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: list spam
Mike Lempriere wrote: I've had it with the list spam -- is the any possibility of moderating this list, or changing it to must-be-subscriber-to-post? I have the opposite experience. I am amazed at how little spam this list gets. So far today, only one piece of spam - from the ports list. ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: list spam
Sorry, I mistakenly replied this to the list instead of only forwarding it to sympa authors, and I'm sorry about that. IMHO, sympa can be an interesting alternative to solve this problem, as it includes all features of mailman (and much more)..., but surely implies changing the MLM. Either way, sympa does what was suggested by Robert. I'm sorry JM Jose-Marcio Martins da Cruz wrote: Ooppss... La discussion fait rage. Mais sa suggestion n'est pas interessante ? Avoir un nombre de listes pour lesquelles on peut poster à partir du moment où l'on existe dans des bases ? Ceci peut être interessant, pour eux, mais pour nous à l'ecole des mines et pour d'autres aussi. Actuellement, nous avons un tas de listes intranet (tous_paris, tous...) et on peut poster à partir du moment où l'expéditeur est dans le domaine ensmp.fr, mais on n'empeche pas l'usurpation d'adresse bidon. Si vous avez la possibilité de faire un truc du genre... Robert Watson wrote: If we're going to go that route, what I'd like to see is a message-free freebsd-posters list I can join once using a posting address that is then authorized to post to any list. That way I don't have to talk the 80+ mailing lists and re-subscribe to each one a second time, disabling receipt of messages, etc. This would also allow us to expempt things like gnats, etc, easily. Robert N M Watson Computer Laboratory University of Cambridge ` ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: list spam
On Sun, Mar 09, 2008, Peter Wemm wrote: On Sun, Mar 9, 2008 at 8:53 PM, Mike Lempriere [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've had it with the list spam -- is the any possibility of moderating this list, or changing it to must-be-subscriber-to-post? I for one would like this too. On one hand, it is inconvenient for people with multiple email addresses, but there is an easy way around that. What you do is subscribe twice, and go to the options page and turn off email for one of them. That way you can (for example) email with your normal address and receive email from the list on unique addresses for sorting or whatever. We host several Mailman mailing lists, and have very few problems with spam getting through to the lists, nor are there huge numbers of messages forwarded to the moderators for approval. Our lists are generally not moderated (other than an announcement list which isn't open for discussions), but only list members can post to the lists. Non-member postings are forwarded for approval, and the moderator may add non-subscribed address to a list of acceptable posters. We are using spamassassin with Mailman, and anything that exceeds the SA score is forwarded to the moderator for approval. This is the largest source of moderator requests. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC URL: http://www.celestial.com/ PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 Make no laws whatever concerning speech and, speech will be free; so soon as you make a declaration on paper that speech shall be free, you will have a hundred lawyers proving that freedom does not mean abuse, nor liberty license; and they will define and define freedom out of existence. - Voltarine de Cleyre (1866-1912) ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: list spam
That's all that I could ask -- I'll shut up now. Bill Campbell wrote: On Sun, Mar 09, 2008, Peter Wemm wrote: On Sun, Mar 9, 2008 at 8:53 PM, Mike Lempriere [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've had it with the list spam -- is the any possibility of moderating this list, or changing it to must-be-subscriber-to-post? I for one would like this too. On one hand, it is inconvenient for people with multiple email addresses, but there is an easy way around that. What you do is subscribe twice, and go to the options page and turn off email for one of them. That way you can (for example) email with your normal address and receive email from the list on unique addresses for sorting or whatever. We host several Mailman mailing lists, and have very few problems with spam getting through to the lists, nor are there huge numbers of messages forwarded to the moderators for approval. Our lists are generally not moderated (other than an announcement list which isn't open for discussions), but only list members can post to the lists. Non-member postings are forwarded for approval, and the moderator may add non-subscribed address to a list of acceptable posters. We are using spamassassin with Mailman, and anything that exceeds the SA score is forwarded to the moderator for approval. This is the largest source of moderator requests. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC URL: http://www.celestial.com/ PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 Make no laws whatever concerning speech and, speech will be free; so soon as you make a declaration on paper that speech shall be free, you will have a hundred lawyers proving that freedom does not mean abuse, nor liberty license; and they will define and define freedom out of existence. - Voltarine de Cleyre (1866-1912) ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mike Lempriere- Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: 206-780-2146 Cellphone: 206-200-5902; text pager: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: list spam
On Sun, 9 Mar 2008, Mike Lempriere wrote: I've had it with the list spam -- is the any possibility of moderating this list, or changing it to must-be-subscriber-to-post? I have a humble suggestion that perhaps the FreeBSD Foundation could handle... Seeing as Cisco recently bought a company that builds an anti-spam appliance that runs FreeBSD, perhaps it would be worthwhile to ping someone at cisco about a donation of one of these boxes. If it's as nice as the Barracuda, it would give the mailing list maintainers time to focus on everything else beyond the spam. Some links: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-jobs/2007-December/000548.html http://www.ironport.com/products/ Just a random thought... Charles -- Mike Lempriere- Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: 206-780-2146 Cellphone: 206-200-5902; text pager: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
list spam
I've had it with the list spam -- is the any possibility of moderating this list, or changing it to must-be-subscriber-to-post? -- Mike Lempriere- Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: 206-780-2146 Cellphone: 206-200-5902; text pager: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
