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Re: [Freedos-devel] Microsoft source code
On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 15:32:27 -0600, Jim Hall wrote: We've actually addressed this issue before. Some years ago, the source code to MS-DOS was leaked. For a while, I would get about an email a week from people (who probably thought they were being helpful) asking if I wanted access to the Microsoft code. I have always said no, because having access to the MS-DOS source code could compromise my work in FreeDOS. We have a FAQ about the topic, here: http://fd-doc.sourceforge.net/faq/cgi-bin/viewfaq.cgi?faq=General_Information/12 Of course you're right, Jim! But may I add two things? Firstly, the leaked MS-DOS 6 source code contains only about 1/3 of the whole thing - consequently none of its components will build, and secondly, in my opinion, the harm done by just looking at it is similar to the harm done by just looking at... pornography (as long as you don't do it ;-) At one moment you get bored and just stop looking! Yes, the comparison is exact, because this source code is just a full pornography as we say here! It's full of patches, bug descriptions and workarounds, and so on, is almost 100% assembler, and is the best example of spaghetti code (i.e. not structured at all) I've ever seen! So, not only it's impossible to understand, but also one must be crazy to attempt to copy anything from it - this would be plainly impossible, even if you want do do it! It's of no real value to anybody, not in the last place because as Johnson already said, it's obsolete and our code is already much better in every aspect! So, my advice is - just forget that pile of trash! Lucho P.S. I'm glad that the Datalight ROM-DOS code has not leaked [yet]! By the way, some years ago they were offering it for sale, for just... $1 ;-) --- SF.Net is sponsored by: Speed Start Your Linux Apps Now. Build and deploy apps Web services for Linux with a free DVD software kit from IBM. Click Now! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1356alloc_id=3438op=click ___ Freedos-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] Microsoft source code
At Tue, 17 Feb 2004 3:13pm +0200, Luchezar Georgiev wrote: On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 15:32:27 -0600, Jim Hall wrote: We've actually addressed this issue before. Some years ago, the source code to MS-DOS was leaked. For a while, I would get about an email a week from people (who probably thought they were being helpful) asking if I wanted access to the Microsoft code. I have always said no, because having access to the MS-DOS source code could compromise my work in FreeDOS. We have a FAQ about the topic, here: http://fd-doc.sourceforge.net/faq/cgi-bin/viewfaq.cgi?faq=General_Information/12 Of course you're right, Jim! But may I add two things? Firstly, the leaked MS-DOS 6 source code contains only about 1/3 of the whole thing - consequently none of its components will build, and secondly, in my opinion, the harm done by just looking at it is similar to the harm done by just looking at... pornography (as long as you don't do it ;-) At one moment you get bored and just stop looking! Yes, the comparison is exact, because this source code is just a full pornography as we say here! It's full of patches, bug descriptions and workarounds, and so on, is almost 100% assembler, and is the best example of spaghetti code (i.e. not structured at all) I've ever seen! So, not only it's impossible to understand, but also one must be crazy to attempt to copy anything from it - this would be plainly impossible, even if you want do do it! It's of no real value to anybody, not in the last place because as Johnson already said, it's obsolete and our code is already much better in every aspect! So, my advice is - just forget that pile of trash! Lucho P.S. I'm glad that the Datalight ROM-DOS code has not leaked [yet]! By the way, some years ago they were offering it for sale, for just... $1 ;-) A little bit of a BTW here. I've always tried to challenge myself as a programmer, but 99% of the time I've tried, I've gone too far and resigned myself to defeat. One of the things I always wanted to do was write a clone of MS-DOS, just a simple clone (like of 3.3, not 6.22), just for practice. I've been unable to do this myself, so far... I am continually stymied at the disk level. (I did once write a simple file system; I've also implemented a read-only FAT12 filesystem in QuickBasic) I'd like to be able to design it in a way that I can understand it, this is a problem, I can't always understand other people's code like I can understand my own. I've thought of how I would break the OS into pieces. Some of the parts seem rather easy. The BIOS takes care of a lot. But I see the filesystem and cringe -_-; and I have to be able to implement that... I'm going to keep trying. Maybe I'll get it right someday. Worked for Dapple... :P -uso. --- SF.Net is sponsored by: Speed Start Your Linux Apps Now. Build and deploy apps Web services for Linux with a free DVD software kit from IBM. Click Now! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1356alloc_id=3438op=click ___ Freedos-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] Re:Eric's idea to put PG binaries online
HI, I have a BIG question: What is PG? I just searched the site, followed every link and could not find any explanation, it only says how it can solve many PC problems, not even specifying which... If so many people in FreeDOS are interested, I would like to know about ;-) Alain --- SF.Net is sponsored by: Speed Start Your Linux Apps Now. Build and deploy apps Web services for Linux with a free DVD software kit from IBM. Click Now! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1356alloc_id=3438op=click ___ Freedos-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] Re:Eric's idea to put PG binaries online
At Mon, 16 Feb 2004 4:08pm -0200, Alain wrote: HI, I have a BIG question: What is PG? I just searched the site, followed every link and could not find any explanation, it only says how it can solve many PC problems, not even specifying which... If so many people in FreeDOS are interested, I would like to know about ;-) Alain It's like LIST. File viewer. -uso. --- SF.Net is sponsored by: Speed Start Your Linux Apps Now. Build and deploy apps Web services for Linux with a free DVD software kit from IBM. Click Now! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1356alloc_id=3438op=click ___ Freedos-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] Microsoft source code
This is in regard to referring to leaked M$-DOS v6 source code. Richard Stallman wrote in the GNU Coding Standards: begin quote Don't in any circumstances refer to Unix source code for or during your work on GNU! (Or to any other proprietary programs.) If you have a vague recollection of the internals of a Unix program, this does not absolutely mean you can't write an imitation of it, but do try to organize the imitation internally along different lines, because this is likely to make the details of the Unix version irrelevant and dissimilar to your results. For example, Unix utilities were generally optimized to minimize memory use; if you go for speed instead, your program will be very different. You could keep the entire input file in core and scan it there instead of using stdio. Use a smarter algorithm discovered more recently than the Unix program. Eliminate use of temporary files. Do it in one pass instead of two (we did this in the assembler). Or, on the contrary, emphasize simplicity instead of speed. For some applications, the speed of today's computers makes simpler algorithms adequate. Or go for generality. For example, Unix programs often have static tables or fixed-size strings, which make for arbitrary limits; use dynamic allocation instead. Make sure your program handles NULs and other funny characters in the input files. Add a programming language for extensibility and write part of the program in that language. Or turn some parts of the program into independently usable libraries. Or use a simple garbage collector instead of tracking precisely when to free memory, or use a new GNU facility such as obstacks. end quote Much of this can be used with regard to the M$-DOS programs we seek to imitate. For example, MS edlin had a limit of 253 characters on a line; FreeDOS edlin uses dynamically allocated strings, which smashes that arbitrary barrier. I only referred to the documentation for MS edlin when I wrote FreeDOS edlin and not its source code, however it was leaked, and it was probably in 8086 Assembler anyway. The only thing I didn't try replicating were the automatic backup files, but I added an option to specify the filename on write so that it is easy to write the filename to a different file if you really wanted to. I thought that this ability was a Good Thing, so I added it. Gregory Pietsch --- SF.Net is sponsored by: Speed Start Your Linux Apps Now. Build and deploy apps Web services for Linux with a free DVD software kit from IBM. Click Now! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1356alloc_id=3438op=click ___ Freedos-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] Re:Eric's idea to put PG binaries online
On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 16:08:17 -0200, you wrote: Hi Alain, Link below: http://www.geocities.com/freedos_pg If so many people in FreeDOS are interested, I would like to know about ;-) The problem is PG 1.08 didn't come with binary. At first I think PG's maintainer BAHCL forgot to put the binary in archive. But the fact is BAHCL intend to distribute the source only. Developers and users here have different opinion about source only distribution and then discussion begin. Rgds, Johnson. ++ | Pleasure : [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Business : [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | BBS : http://johnson.tmfc.net/discuss/discuss_frame.html | | HomePage : http://johnson.tmfc.net (Powered by TMFC) | ++ --- SF.Net is sponsored by: Speed Start Your Linux Apps Now. Build and deploy apps Web services for Linux with a free DVD software kit from IBM. Click Now! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id56alloc_id438op=click ___ Freedos-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
