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Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS installer

2010-04-07 Thread Eric Auer

Hi Mark,

 I am very keen on installers that allow human interaction to be all over and 
 done with 
 early on, and then you can leave the computer to get on with the copying and 
 so on.
 I produced a system years ago that did a lot of this, including a system 
 replication
 facility to format and install DOS plus other partitions (including PS/2, so 
 you can 
 guess how long ago it was!).  I also am thinking of writing a new FDISK 
 program (some may 
 recall my Turbo Pascal FDISK from times long ago, that had quite a few 
 command line
 options and disk tests, and a nice blue interface).

Well... Our FDISK could use some testing and fine-tuning with
modern things such as LBA, SATA, SCSI, SAS, alignment of the
partition start with multiples of 4 or 64kB or whatever instead
of the classic cylinders of 63 sectors scheme, and so on.

Talking about the installer, it is indeed very nice to FIRST
ask about the choice of packages and THEN unzip them all, but
I disagree about formatting and partitioning and so on. Most
computers already have Windows, Linux or both, which are hard
to resize without data loss, so I would recommend to use a CD
or DVD with for example GParted (graphical partition editor
which automatically invokes resizers etc) for preparations.

I also think that preparation in general is fast and can be
directly interactive, so you can react to problems manually.

This is more or less what the current FreeDOS 1.0 CD (ISO)
does, the only problem is that AFTER preparations it asks
which packages to install per category and then unzips only
that category. Because unzipping takes a while, you have to
go through several stages of wait a while, make choices for
next category etc until the installer is done and will do
some final touches, before and after a final reboot.

 The situations I would like to see handled are:
 
   1. simple diskette (or USB or CD or net-boot) of DOS that comes up quickly 
 with a menu
  to allow the current system to be tested, a new system to be installed, 
 or the option
  of dropping down to a command prompt.

As you know, I am a fan of the Rugxulo floppy which does not
provide installation but is just a disk ready to use. And of
course you can use SYS and XCOPY to install it to a FAT disk.

Another interesting disk is NWDSK www.veder.com/nwdsk/ which
is a DOS boot floppy with lots of network drivers and network
related software, including autodetection of network chips.

I notice that it is getting a bit dated, but probably this
also holds for the crynwr network driver collection?

   2. A net-installer for PCs that have odd things happen to them (e.g. used 
 for testing
  dubious hardware, checking for virus activity, used by students) so 
 everything that
  was there can be wiped and the disk restored afresh quickly.

You could probably boot DOS via MEMDISK (of isolinux/pxelinux)
which is a bootable ramdisk which can be booted (with a floppy
image for initial content) from anything which can load Linux,
including PXE boot loaders... I think there are also some nice
boot things which can be done with GRUB (1, 2, for DOS?) but I
do not remember PXE network boot support there? Also it may be
problematic to keep the network boot driver in RAM while DOS is
running, does anybody have experience with this conflict?

   3. Easy installation of FreeDOS onto a virtual PC (especially for dosemu 
 within linux,
  but as general as possible), so a user's partition is mapped and 
 everything is set up
  idiot-proof and neat from the start.

Dosemu already comes with FreeDOS pre-installed anyway ;-) You
can also access your Linux home directory as a DOS drive letter
(dosemu has a command line option for that) and use any directory
as the C: drive and any directory or floppy image as the A: one.
So it is generally easy to put more DOS into DOSEmu I hope :-).

   4. Installation and replication of DOS (and other systems) quickly on a new 
 computer,
  such as for vendors selling systems without Windows to install at least 
 something
  that proves the computer works. Especially should consider the case of 
 selling
  or installing reconditioned PCs where the previous owners' files are 
 sure to be
  wiped and a simple working system and memory/disk/etc test programs are 
 installed.
  DOS can still be a good first step in an install process (as an 
 alternative to grub,
  for instance, yet with the ability to do lots of other things).  System 
 cloning tools
  need not care about what operating systems are being installed, and the 
 code has a
  large overlap with what FDISK should do anyway, so I am keen to make an 
 FDISK with
  replication abilities (that might make some of the FreeDOS install tasks 
 easier?).

For replication - in particular on many same computers - it is
probably sufficient to make and clone a disk image with any of
the normal tools for that...?

 Additionally, we need to improve software packaging so 

Re: [Freedos-devel] usbdos.zip missing from usbdosx.zip

2010-04-07 Thread Eric Auer

Hi Jim,

 If I could port curl over to freedos, I would.

I would normally assume Blair has this:

http://sites.google.com/site/blairdude/

...but instead he only has updated clamav :-)

You can also check delorie.com for DJGPP ports.

Eric



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