Re: [Freedos-devel] Devel-Philosophy [was: blocking bugs/issues for FreeDOS 1.3]
Hi Aitor, On Fri, 6 Aug 2021 23:28:54 +0200 Aitor Santamaría wrote: > On Fri, 6 Aug 2021 at 21:11, Ralf Quint wrote: > > > > Insights from native english/american (English/American) people? > > > > > I learned this from my first English class in school, pretty much 50 > > years ago... ;-) > > > > > Sadly enough, get ready that it may change at any point quickly. When I was > a kid, in Spanish we used to write the names of the days and months with > capital letter, being a "proper noun" (in my opinion, it is a proper name). > But a rule at some point (in my childhood) dictated that we should not. I > still write "Septiembre", let the translator do that for me if it wants to > ;) > > For some reason, in Spanish at some point they decided that it is "bad > taste" to abuse capital letters here and there. I am not sure how it is in > English, but I seem to remember it is in capital letters (like September > and not september). English is a living language and subject to change as it's supposed to reflect current usage. This worries me somewhat as so many people write the possesive form of "it" incorrectly as "it's". At some point the balance will shift in favour of the misuse and it will be changed. > > What's more, things change because of how people pronounce them. So now > "setiembre" is accepted because nobody says the "P" any more. > I'm about a year into learning Spanish, so really only just getting started! I find it far easier to comprehend when written than spoken, but things like this really help. > Another annoying stuff is when punctuation signs change too. For example, > we are taught in schools that the decimal separator (the equivalent to dot > . in English) is ' in Spanish (I've also read that the Academy of Physics > prescribes so) like in 3'14159, but *everybody* uses comma in Spain. like > in 3,14159 and even Microsoft Excel considers the separator to be , > because everyone does. I can't remember what we do have in NLSFUNC, or if > we need to have both "stanard Spanish" and "real used Spanish" :) > > I've noticed you Germans have your quirks with the spelling because there > was a change to standardise the ortography not long ago (when to use ss > and eszett amongs others :)). > > Last but not least, having learnt my English in the UK, I had to learn to > either change the spelling dictionary in GMail to British English or > replace "standardise" with "standardize" in my previous sentence ( :D ). > As a plus, I still don't know the preferred way to pronounce "either" (if > there is one) because I've heard many different options. Yep as a native English speaker, I mix and match pronunciation of 'either' and I don't believe there is a correct way, at least not one I've ever been taught. > At least, I know > how to pronounce "early", unless we don't know what shall we do with a > drunken sailor. Oh yes, that really made me smile! It's probably classed as Olde English and nobody ever speaks that way today, but obviously you know that. > > Oh well. > > Aitor Regards, Andrew ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] Devel-Philosophy [was: blocking bugs/issues for FreeDOS 1.3]
Hi, > On Aug 6, 2021, at 2:21 PM, Jim Hall wrote: > > Jim Hall wrote: One comment from reviewing the code - you use this comment at the top of both kittenc.c and kitten.c: > /* > This software is free software; free to use, > modify, pass to others, whatever > > use it at your own risk > */ > However, you don't include a license file (usually LICENSE.TXT or COPYING.TXT) to indicate what "free software" license you are using. Can you be more specific? Is this under the GNU GPL? GNU LGPL? MIT? BSD? Apache? Or some other license? > > Robert Riebisch wrote: >>> His comment sounds like Public Domain to me. > [..] > >> On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 1:02 PM tom ehlert wrote: >> it's intended to be as free as possible. I don't even care if the evil >> satan (MS or Oracle) uses, modifies or whatever does with it. > [..] > > I know, license details are no fun. But they do serve a purpose to > protect us and make things clear. And by using a "recognized" open > source license, it will be easier for others to know what the license > means. > > If you want to make this as free and open as possible, may I suggest > the "zero clause" license? This is the software equivalent of "public > domain" or "Creative Commons 'zero' (CC0)" in that you let anyone do > what they want with it. There's no "copyright" statement on this, > either. It's described more fully at: > https://opensource.org/licenses/0BSD > > This is the license text: > >> Permission to use, copy, modify, and/or distribute this software >> for any purpose with or without fee is hereby granted. >> >> THE SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED "AS IS" AND THE AUTHOR DISCLAIMS ALL >> WARRANTIES WITH REGARD TO THIS SOFTWARE INCLUDING ALL IMPLIED >> WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS. IN NO EVENT SHALL THE >> AUTHOR BE LIABLE FOR ANY SPECIAL, DIRECT, INDIRECT, OR >> CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES OR ANY DAMAGES WHATSOEVER RESULTING FROM >> LOSS OF USE, DATA OR PROFITS, WHETHER IN AN ACTION OF CONTRACT, >> NEGLIGENCE OR OTHER TORTIOUS ACTION, ARISING OUT OF OR IN >> CONNECTION WITH THE USE OR PERFORMANCE OF THIS SOFTWARE. > > There is also “The Unlicense” which I’ve used myself a couple times. https://unlicense.org/ > ___ > Freedos-devel mailing list > Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] Devel-Philosophy [was: blocking bugs/issues for FreeDOS 1.3]
On Fri, 6 Aug 2021 at 21:11, Ralf Quint wrote: > > Insights from native english/american (English/American) people? > > > I learned this from my first English class in school, pretty much 50 > years ago... ;-) > > Sadly enough, get ready that it may change at any point quickly. When I was a kid, in Spanish we used to write the names of the days and months with capital letter, being a "proper noun" (in my opinion, it is a proper name). But a rule at some point (in my childhood) dictated that we should not. I still write "Septiembre", let the translator do that for me if it wants to ;) For some reason, in Spanish at some point they decided that it is "bad taste" to abuse capital letters here and there. I am not sure how it is in English, but I seem to remember it is in capital letters (like September and not september). What's more, things change because of how people pronounce them. So now "setiembre" is accepted because nobody says the "P" any more. Another annoying stuff is when punctuation signs change too. For example, we are taught in schools that the decimal separator (the equivalent to dot . in English) is ' in Spanish (I've also read that the Academy of Physics prescribes so) like in 3'14159, but *everybody* uses comma in Spain. like in 3,14159 and even Microsoft Excel considers the separator to be , because everyone does. I can't remember what we do have in NLSFUNC, or if we need to have both "stanard Spanish" and "real used Spanish" :) I've noticed you Germans have your quirks with the spelling because there was a change to standardise the ortography not long ago (when to use ss and eszett amongs others :)). Last but not least, having learnt my English in the UK, I had to learn to either change the spelling dictionary in GMail to British English or replace "standardise" with "standardize" in my previous sentence ( :D ). As a plus, I still don't know the preferred way to pronounce "either" (if there is one) because I've heard many different options. At least, I know how to pronounce "early", unless we don't know what shall we do with a drunken sailor. Oh well. Aitor ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] Devel-Philosophy [was: blocking bugs/issues for FreeDOS 1.3]
On Fri, 6 Aug 2021, tom ehlert wrote: Hi Robert, attaches the german resources to fdisk.exe, and makes german the default language for fdisk.exe. Minor note: AFAIK, correct spelling of "german" in English is "German" with a capital "G". Same for all other language "names". really? Like in 'Could you provide the German resources?' if true, I have done that wrong for the last 50 years. Insights from native english/american (English/American) people? Tom Yes, all would be capitalized. (That said, I use a bastard version of English, so...go figure.) -uso. ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] Devel-Philosophy [was: blocking bugs/issues for FreeDOS 1.3]
Hi Jim, > On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 1:02 PM tom ehlert wrote: >> it's intended to be as free as possible. I don't even care if the evil >> satan (MS or Oracle) uses, modifies or whatever does with it. > [..] > I know, license details are no fun. But they do serve a purpose to > protect us and make things clear. And by using a "recognized" open > source license, it will be easier for others to know what the license > means. > If you want to make this as free and open as possible, may I suggest > the "zero clause" license? This is the software equivalent of "public > domain" or "Creative Commons 'zero' (CC0)" in that you let anyone do > what they want with it. There's no "copyright" statement on this, > either. It's described more fully at: > https://opensource.org/licenses/0BSD > This is the license text: >> Permission to use, copy, modify, and/or distribute this software >> for any purpose with or without fee is hereby granted. >> >> THE SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED "AS IS" AND THE AUTHOR DISCLAIMS ALL >> WARRANTIES WITH REGARD TO THIS SOFTWARE INCLUDING ALL IMPLIED >> WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS. IN NO EVENT SHALL THE >> AUTHOR BE LIABLE FOR ANY SPECIAL, DIRECT, INDIRECT, OR >> CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES OR ANY DAMAGES WHATSOEVER RESULTING FROM >> LOSS OF USE, DATA OR PROFITS, WHETHER IN AN ACTION OF CONTRACT, >> NEGLIGENCE OR OTHER TORTIOUS ACTION, ARISING OUT OF OR IN >> CONNECTION WITH THE USE OR PERFORMANCE OF THIS SOFTWARE. Thanks. This is indeed the intended license text. I will change kitten.* and post an update soon. Thanks everybody else for the feedback. Actually, this was part of the 'mostly finished' status of the project. Tom ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] Devel-Philosophy [was: blocking bugs/issues for FreeDOS 1.3]
On 8/6/2021 11:05 AM, tom ehlert wrote: Hi Robert, attaches the german resources to fdisk.exe, and makes german the default language for fdisk.exe. Minor note: AFAIK, correct spelling of "german" in English is "German" with a capital "G". Same for all other language "names". really? Like in 'Could you provide the German resources?' if true, I have done that wrong for the last 50 years. Insights from native english/american (English/American) people? I learned this from my first English class in school, pretty much 50 years ago... ;-) Ralf -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] Devel-Philosophy [was: blocking bugs/issues for Fr eeDOS 1.3]
On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 1:14 PM Bret Johnson wrote: > > > really? Like in 'Could you provide the German resources?' > > if true, I have done that wrong for the last 50 years. > > Insights from native english/american (English/American) people? > > In English, proper names (including things like languages and > countries) are almost always capitalized. I can't think of any > exceptions to this, but I suppose there could be (there are > exceptions to almost every rule, especially in English). In > English, it is German, French, Portugese, Esperanto, etc. +1 ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] Devel-Philosophy [was: blocking bugs/issues for FreeDOS 1.3]
Hi Tom, On Fri, 6 Aug 2021 20:05:05 +0200 tom ehlert wrote: > Hi Robert, > > >> attaches the german resources to fdisk.exe, and makes german the > >> default language for fdisk.exe. > > > Minor note: AFAIK, correct spelling of "german" in English is > > "German" with a capital "G". Same for all other language "names". > > really? Like in 'Could you provide the German resources?' > > if true, I have done that wrong for the last 50 years. > > Insights from native english/american (English/American) people? > > Tom > Native British English speaker here. In English it's correct to capitalise the first letter of languages and a person's origin (American, Italian etc). I'm learning Spanish myself and find it difficult to remember not to do it there. Hope that helps, Andrew ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] Devel-Philosophy [was: blocking bugs/issues for FreeDOS 1.3]
Jim Hall wrote: > >> One comment from reviewing the code - you use this comment at the top > >> of both kittenc.c and kitten.c: > >> > >>> /* > >>> This software is free software; free to use, > >>> modify, pass to others, whatever > >>> > >>> use it at your own risk > >>> */ > >>> > >> > >> However, you don't include a license file (usually LICENSE.TXT or > >> COPYING.TXT) to indicate what "free software" license you are using. > >> Can you be more specific? Is this under the GNU GPL? GNU LGPL? MIT? > >> BSD? Apache? Or some other license? Robert Riebisch wrote: > > His comment sounds like Public Domain to me. [..] On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 1:02 PM tom ehlert wrote: > it's intended to be as free as possible. I don't even care if the evil > satan (MS or Oracle) uses, modifies or whatever does with it. [..] I know, license details are no fun. But they do serve a purpose to protect us and make things clear. And by using a "recognized" open source license, it will be easier for others to know what the license means. If you want to make this as free and open as possible, may I suggest the "zero clause" license? This is the software equivalent of "public domain" or "Creative Commons 'zero' (CC0)" in that you let anyone do what they want with it. There's no "copyright" statement on this, either. It's described more fully at: https://opensource.org/licenses/0BSD This is the license text: > Permission to use, copy, modify, and/or distribute this software > for any purpose with or without fee is hereby granted. > > THE SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED "AS IS" AND THE AUTHOR DISCLAIMS ALL > WARRANTIES WITH REGARD TO THIS SOFTWARE INCLUDING ALL IMPLIED > WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS. IN NO EVENT SHALL THE > AUTHOR BE LIABLE FOR ANY SPECIAL, DIRECT, INDIRECT, OR > CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES OR ANY DAMAGES WHATSOEVER RESULTING FROM > LOSS OF USE, DATA OR PROFITS, WHETHER IN AN ACTION OF CONTRACT, > NEGLIGENCE OR OTHER TORTIOUS ACTION, ARISING OUT OF OR IN > CONNECTION WITH THE USE OR PERFORMANCE OF THIS SOFTWARE. ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] Devel-Philosophy [was: blocking bugs/issues for FreeDOS 1.3]
Hi Mercury, > Yep, language names like German, French, Spanish, et. al are all > considered "proper nouns" and as such should be capitalized. :-) @Tom: "proper nouns" is what we translate to "Eigenname" in German. https://www.englishgrammar101.com/module-1/nouns/lesson-2/common-and-proper-nouns Cheers, Robert -- +++ BTTR Software +++ Home page: https://www.bttr-software.de/ DOS ain't dead: https://www.bttr-software.de/forum/ ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] Devel-Philosophy [was: blocking bugs/issues for FreeDOS 1.3]
Yep, language names like German, French, Spanish, et. al are all considered "proper nouns" and as such should be capitalized. :-) Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com/) Secure Email. ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Friday, August 6th, 2021 at 2:05 PM, tom ehlert t...@drivesnapshot.de wrote: > Hi Robert, > >>> attaches the german resources to fdisk.exe, and makes german the >>> >>> default language for fdisk.exe. > >> Minor note: AFAIK, correct spelling of "german" in English is "German" >> >> with a capital "G". Same for all other language "names". > > really? Like in 'Could you provide the German resources?' > > if true, I have done that wrong for the last 50 years. > > Insights from native english/american (English/American) people? > > Tom > > Freedos-devel mailing list > > Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] Devel-Philosophy [was: blocking bugs/issues for FreeDOS 1.3]
Hi Tom, >>> attaches the german resources to fdisk.exe, and makes german the >>> default language for fdisk.exe. > >> Minor note: AFAIK, correct spelling of "german" in English is "German" >> with a capital "G". Same for all other language "names". > > really? Like in 'Could you provide the German resources?' Yes. That's how *I* learned it at school. > if true, I have done that wrong for the last 50 years. > > Insights from native english/american (English/American) people? I'm interested too. Cheers, Robert -- +++ BTTR Software +++ Home page: https://www.bttr-software.de/ DOS ain't dead: https://www.bttr-software.de/forum/ ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] Devel-Philosophy [was: blocking bugs/issues for Fr eeDOS 1.3]
> really? Like in 'Could you provide the German resources?' > if true, I have done that wrong for the last 50 years. > Insights from native english/american (English/American) people? In English, proper names (including things like languages and countries) are almost always capitalized. I can't think of any exceptions to this, but I suppose there could be (there are exceptions to almost every rule, especially in English). In English, it is German, French, Portugese, Esperanto, etc. ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] Devel-Philosophy [was: blocking bugs/issues for FreeDOS 1.3]
Hi Robert, >> attaches the german resources to fdisk.exe, and makes german the >> default language for fdisk.exe. > Minor note: AFAIK, correct spelling of "german" in English is "German" > with a capital "G". Same for all other language "names". really? Like in 'Could you provide the German resources?' if true, I have done that wrong for the last 50 years. Insights from native english/american (English/American) people? Tom ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] Devel-Philosophy [was: blocking bugs/issues for FreeDOS 1.3]
Hi Robert, am Freitag, 6. August 2021 um 19:44 schrieben Sie: > Hi Jim, >> Good to see this update. I look forward to trying this out. >> >> One comment from reviewing the code - you use this comment at the top >> of both kittenc.c and kitten.c: >> >>> /* >>> This software is free software; free to use, >>> modify, pass to others, whatever >>> >>> use it at your own risk >>> */ >>> >> >> However, you don't include a license file (usually LICENSE.TXT or >> COPYING.TXT) to indicate what "free software" license you are using. >> Can you be more specific? Is this under the GNU GPL? GNU LGPL? MIT? >> BSD? Apache? Or some other license? > His comment sounds like Public Domain to me. it's intended to be as free as possible. I don't even care if the evil satan (MS or Oracle) uses, modifies or whatever does with it. > kitten.h is LGPL. Dunno if this is compatible. thanks for noting this. will change this as soon as possible. BTW: since the big fight of Oracle vs. Google wrt JAVA include files we all know that .H files aren't even copyrightable. also: by german law, for copyright claims your software (or other thing) has to have a minimum 'invention hight'. KITTEN.H certainly has no 'invention highness'. so: there shouldn't be a copyright on it in the first place. > I tend to dislike this license stuff... so do I Tom ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] Devel-Philosophy [was: blocking bugs/issues for FreeDOS 1.3]
Hi tom, > attaches the german resources to fdisk.exe, and makes german the > default language for fdisk.exe. Minor note: AFAIK, correct spelling of "german" in English is "German" with a capital "G". Same for all other language "names". Cheers, Robert -- +++ BTTR Software +++ Home page: https://www.bttr-software.de/ DOS ain't dead: https://www.bttr-software.de/forum/ ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] Devel-Philosophy [was: blocking bugs/issues for FreeDOS 1.3]
Hi Jim, > Good to see this update. I look forward to trying this out. > > One comment from reviewing the code - you use this comment at the top > of both kittenc.c and kitten.c: > >> /* >> This software is free software; free to use, >> modify, pass to others, whatever >> >> use it at your own risk >> */ >> > > However, you don't include a license file (usually LICENSE.TXT or > COPYING.TXT) to indicate what "free software" license you are using. > Can you be more specific? Is this under the GNU GPL? GNU LGPL? MIT? > BSD? Apache? Or some other license? His comment sounds like Public Domain to me. kitten.h is LGPL. Dunno if this is compatible. I tend to dislike this license stuff... Cheers, Robert -- +++ BTTR Software +++ Home page: https://www.bttr-software.de/ DOS ain't dead: https://www.bttr-software.de/forum/ ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
