Re: [Freedos-devel] NewDOS source code has been published!

[Eric Auer via Freedos-devel]

Hi Willi,

I will wait some days to see if there are other questions or proposals 
referring to NewDOS and then send André Olejko a list with everything at 
one time in german...


He explicitly asked to NOT be bothered with such things. So I suggest
that we just collect the questions and proposals ourselves and then,
if necessary, get some publicity to find volunteers to implement them.

Because I know ONE person who will NOT be among those volunteers ;-)

Or maybe people simply enjoy the fact that they can manually READ the
sources for those tools which already were available as freeware binary.

Maybe there is no need whatsoever to change or compile anything, yet?

One of my questions will be if the source code of asm86 can/will be 
published.


That has VERY low priority. Plenty of FreeDOS apps need closed source
or even non-free compilers. If anybody ever has an issue with that for
NewDOS, we can still go the NoMySo way and (semi-automatically) port
the sources to any free and open assembler and C compiler out there.

If the author makes Asm86 open source at some point, fine, but I would
recommend to not even ask for that right now. Maybe not even this YEAR.

Another important detail: No matter which compilers you use, you cannot
compile NewDOS out of the box right now! You will first have to take a
deep breath, THINK which toolchain you need, configure it properly and
come up with a nice build script or makefile. NONE of those is included
in the sources, which were released AS-IS, rough and raw, but valuable.

So before you ask for a license change to the assembler, let us FIRST
see who and WHEN will undertake re-compiling this nice software. Either
for the challenge or because they MAY have specific ideas for patches.

All of this will take TIME. Not just some days. More likely months.

Please compare this to the situation in 2020 when Steve and TK felt
like taking the challenge to make it possible to actually COMPILE the
GW BASIC sources released in what it turned out to be incomplete AS-IS
state by Microsoft. Nobody would have asked Microsoft to FIRST make
all involved compilers open source at that time. And nobody has asked
Microsoft to publish the missing source code snippets.

Because the situation was pretty much the same as now: The authors
had looked into their archives, FOUND a mostly complete copy of the
sources and said: We have this code GIFT, you MIGHT enjoy it, but we
cannot and will not help you if it is not good enough for you! ;-)

I personally think that André Olejko did a great job, one single man 
created "a half OS"!


I totally agree that this is a cool collection of tools and it is
great that the author made it free first and even open source now!

We cannot and should not expect anything else. Thanks for the ZIPs!

Regards, Eric




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Re: [Freedos-devel] Re: NewDOS source code has been published!

[Wilhelm Spiegl via Freedos-devel]

 
 Hi Jerome,hi to all,I will wait some days to see if there are other questions or proposals referring to NewDOS and then send André Olejko a list with everything at one time in german. I am not sure if he wants a copy of his website, but I will ask him.One of my questions will be if the source code of asm86 can/will be published.Some additional informations:I personally think that André Olejko did a great job, one single man created "a half OS"! Please no negative comments about this. Thx.He speaks less English, for this reason it is made in german only. And then he stopped programming and forgot a lot about the programming languages etc.NewDOS supports FAT 16 only, so if someone plans to work with it, please keep this in mind.I got the information, that some parts for compiling at once are missing and have to be rebuild, but it seems to be possible to fix this. Please keep in mind that everything is older than 20 years and things can be lost.I also got the information that translating NewDOS to english should be doable then.Willi--Diese Nachricht wurde von meinem Android Mobiltelefon mit mail.com Mail gesendet.Am 18.02.24, 11:13 schrieb Jerome Shidel via Freedos-devel :

  Hi Willi,
  
  
   
   

 On Feb 17, 2024, at 9:38 AM, Wilhelm Spiegl via Freedos-devel  wrote:



 
  
   
Hi Jim,

   
 

   
I forgot to mention that there is another great new thing: NewDOS and its source code is free since 2024-02-06!

   
NewDOS itself is freeware since 2018.



  
 

 You can grab it here: https://www.newdos.de/home/download.htm
 

  
 

 NewDOS from André Olejko is no complete OS but a collection of more than 60 DOS commands and 3 games!
 

  
 

 See: https://www.newdos.de/home/befehle.htm
 

  
 

 There is a free assembler asm86 available from André Olejko, but the source code has not been published till now.
 

 I am not sure if he will publish it at all.
 

  
 

 See: https://assembler86.de/home/download.htm
 

  
 

 And now the bad news:
 

 NewDOS and the assembler are in GERMAN only. It should be possible to translate it to english, but this will be a lot of work.
 

  
 

 André informed me that he is NOT willing to give any feedback or to answer questions about his work.
 

 He thinks that it is very good to keep his work alive for the future, but he does no longer program.
 

 So PLEASE DO NOT SEND MAILS ETC to him.
 

  
 

 @Jim: Would it be possible to keep a copy ad ibiblio or anywhere else?
 

  
 

 THX.
 

  
 

 Willi
 

 
 
   
  
 

   
   
  
  
   They are small sites. So, I also mirrored them on my server as well.
  
  
   
  
  
   They can be found along with the mirror of Eric’s website at https://m.lod.bz
  
  
   
  
  
   :-)
  
  
   
  
  
   Jerome
  
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Re: [Freedos-devel] NewDOS source code has been published!

[Jerome Shidel via Freedos-devel]

Hi Willi,

> On Feb 17, 2024, at 9:38 AM, Wilhelm Spiegl via Freedos-devel 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Jim,
>  
> I forgot to mention that there is another great new thing: NewDOS and its 
> source code is free since 2024-02-06!
> NewDOS itself is freeware since 2018.
>  
> You can grab it here: https://www.newdos.de/home/download.htm 
> 
>  
> NewDOS from André Olejko is no complete OS but a collection of more than 60 
> DOS commands and 3 games!
>  
> See: https://www.newdos.de/home/befehle.htm 
> 
>  
> There is a free assembler asm86 available from André Olejko, but the source 
> code has not been published till now.
> I am not sure if he will publish it at all.
>  
> See: https://assembler86.de/home/download.htm 
> 
>  
> And now the bad news:
> NewDOS and the assembler are in GERMAN only. It should be possible to 
> translate it to english, but this will be a lot of work.
>  
> André informed me that he is NOT willing to give any feedback or to answer 
> questions about his work.
> He thinks that it is very good to keep his work alive for the future, but he 
> does no longer program.
> So PLEASE DO NOT SEND MAILS ETC to him.
>  
> @Jim: Would it be possible to keep a copy ad ibiblio or anywhere else?
>  
> THX.
>  
> Willi
> 

They are small sites. So, I also mirrored them on my server as well.

They can be found along with the mirror of Eric’s website at https://m.lod.bz 


:-)

Jerome

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Re: [Freedos-devel] Tree v3.7.3 Was: Re: Xcopy 1.5

[Jerome Shidel via Freedos-devel]

Hi Jeremy, 

> On Feb 17, 2024, at 9:58 PM, perditionc--- via Freedos-devel 
>  wrote:
> 
> On Sat, Feb 17, 2024 at 9:09 AM Wilhelm Spiegl via Freedos-devel
>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Jim,
>> thanks for your response. Xcopy is not the only thing, maybe you remember 
>> tree 3.72 in this forum?
>> 
> ...
>> 
>> tree: do not know the actual situation, I got a promise that someone will 
>> check whats the matter.
>> 
> ...
> 
> Good evening,
> 
> Please see http://server.fdos.org/fdos/tree/TREE373.zip for an update
> to the tree program that should fix the issues (sorry for the long
> delay).
> 
> Changes from tree v3.7.1/3.7.2
>  - reverted argument processing back to code from v3.7 [.0], the
> changes to use getopt were really broken
>  - minor tweaks to included cats to default NLSPATH to ".;.\NLS", a
> future version will update tree to kitten
>  - added extra check so if no serial# returned, assumes call failed
> and doesn't print invalid serial# (note, the way it calls int21h is a
> bit funky, in pdTree the carry flag is forced set before the call as I
> recall some kernels don't set it on error for the called function, but
> this version just clears struct and assumes if still clear then call
> failed as I'm not sure how to set the flags register prior to the
> int86 call (it's not the standard version, no regs struct passed) and
> don't have all the compiler variants easily available anymore to test
> changes to it.
>  - included in the zip is all the current? message catalogs, note:
> these are straight from the FreeDOS nls archive on gitlab, hopefully
> didn't miss/mess any up.
>  - some documentation updates to reflect that I no longer have
> @computer.org email address.
> 
> A version 4 will be released eventually, but I'm not making any
> commitments for when.  In the meantime, if anyone has any issues with
> this version, please let me know and I'll try to push out an update a
> little quicker. :-)

Great news. :-)

I created an “unstable” branch in the FreeDOS GitLab Archive. That way the new 
version will be in the next Interim Test Build for every one to try out. 

I did make a few minor adjustments to the LSM file. Mostly for compatible with 
the current automated maintenance utilities. For example, most of those tools 
can properly deal with multiple line entries. However, I can be lazy at times 
and a few other less important tools ignore text that is not preceded by a 
field identifier. 

Also, I noticed that you did not included the help translations from FD-NLS in 
the zip. So, I just included them. Although, I forget if TREE displays those 
versions of help when using a different language. 

I’ll definitely have to give it a try.

> 
> (ps a new test kernel release is pending, but I'm trying to figure
> out/fix a driver hang during load issue first).

Looking forward to that as well. :-)

> 
> Thanks,
> Jeremy

Thanks,

Jerome

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Re: [Freedos-devel] Append

[Jerome Shidel via Freedos-devel]

Hi Eduardo, 

> On Feb 17, 2024, at 4:54 PM, Eduardo Casino via Freedos-devel 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Jerome, 
> 
> I'm the autor of Append. I'll have a look at it, although it's been a long 
> time... 
> 
> Thanks, 
> Eduardo

Great. 

Bernd took a look at the merge request. Other than white-space changes, only 
one line was changed from a “JZ” to a “JNZ”. 

So when you look at it, the changes should not be very difficult to verify are 
correct, sufficient and have no adverse side effects.

Thanks,

Jerome

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