Re: [Freedos-devel] Centroid command.com license confirmed
Hi, 15.03.2019 4:30, Rugxulo пишет: Hi, Stas, On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 5:56 PM Stas Sergeev wrote: As you probably know, once upon a time (like 20 years ago) there were the command.com sources from Centroid Corp under GPL. AFAIK they were removed from the freedos servers because of the licence uncertaincy. I'm not aware of any uncertainty. There was a p.d. version and a (slightly bugfixed?) GPLv2 version, AFAIK. It was quite interesting but (as mentioned) lacked a few features. So I normally stuck with vanilla FreeCOM (0.84-pre2 XMS_Swap) since forever, which works very well (and indeed has had some work done on it lately, thanks to Tom and Bart). Here's the old versions already on iBiblio (dated 2002, built by DJGPP): * http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/dos/command/contrib/centroidcnc/ Wow! This is what I was googling for days, and all that time it was here! The uncertainty came from this thread: https://sourceforge.net/p/freedos-32/mailman/message/3995213/ https://sourceforge.net/p/freedos-32/mailman/message/3995210/ https://sourceforge.net/p/freedos-32/mailman/message/3995212/ Obviously people were not aware of v2 either. Lets add freedos-32-dev to CC. and finally decided to see if I can do something about its licensing. So I just mailed to Centroids, and, quite suprisingly, the outcome was very positive: https://github.com/stsp/comcom32/issues/12 Here you can see the reply from Centroid official, confirming the possibility of distributing this command.com source under GPLv3+. Always good to get confirmation. But v2 seems to have it already, so... Thanks for the pointers. Maybe you should put the README outside of an archive to allow search engines to locate it. So just wanted to let you know about this. I believe it is now possible for freedos to re-upload it to their servers, where it once initially was. I was not personally involved back then, but nowadays I can easily upload (or reupload) to iBiblio for us anything (free/libre) related to that, if you wish. But I'm not directly aware of the various versions and their differences. Any preference or request? I wasn't aware of v2 either. I'll review it & merge. However, as you already have that uploaded, I am not sure if you need anything else. comcom32 project evolves, so putting it into an archive probably doesn't help much, as it will change the next day or so. So let me just point out that I upload the binaries here: https://github.com/stsp/comcom32/blob/master/tmp/comcom32.exe Maybe you will be interested in uploading it as v3 one day, or something like that. Its also available via Ubuntu PPA. Thanks! ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] Centroid command.com license confirmed
Hi, Stas, On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 5:56 PM Stas Sergeev wrote: > > As you probably know, once upon a time (like > 20 years ago) there were the command.com sources > from Centroid Corp under GPL. AFAIK they were > removed from the freedos servers because of the > licence uncertaincy. I'm not aware of any uncertainty. There was a p.d. version and a (slightly bugfixed?) GPLv2 version, AFAIK. It was quite interesting but (as mentioned) lacked a few features. So I normally stuck with vanilla FreeCOM (0.84-pre2 XMS_Swap) since forever, which works very well (and indeed has had some work done on it lately, thanks to Tom and Bart). Here's the old versions already on iBiblio (dated 2002, built by DJGPP): * http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/dos/command/contrib/centroidcnc/ > and finally decided to see if I can do something > about its licensing. So I just mailed to Centroids, > and, quite suprisingly, the outcome was very positive: > https://github.com/stsp/comcom32/issues/12 > Here you can see the reply from Centroid official, > confirming the possibility of distributing this command.com > source under GPLv3+. Always good to get confirmation. > So just wanted to let you know about this. > I believe it is now possible for freedos to re-upload > it to their servers, where it once initially was. I was not personally involved back then, but nowadays I can easily upload (or reupload) to iBiblio for us anything (free/libre) related to that, if you wish. But I'm not directly aware of the various versions and their differences. Any preference or request? ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] Centroid command.com license confirmed
15.03.2019 2:45, Stas Sergeev пишет: 15.03.2019 2:23, Tom Ehlert пишет: PLEASE.GO.AWAY. (and stay there for the rest of my life) I think you are absolutely obtuse if you think I asked you what I should do. Because obviously what I wanted to do is to notify everyone who hosted that code, about the license clarification. I certainly don't care about "the rest of your life". I fortunately don't even know who you are. ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] Centroid command.com license confirmed
whatever your plans with this GPL3 software: there will not be a place in freedos. PLEASE.GO.AWAY. (and stay there for the rest of my life) "Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This Is the War Room!" -- https://github.com/tkchia ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] Centroid command.com license confirmed
15.03.2019 2:23, Tom Ehlert пишет: FreeDOS is NOT the kitchen sink where to dump 20 years old, buggy software as long as it has a GPL3 license attached. Not sure why should I reply to the crap like this, but here's the proof: https://sourceforge.net/p/freedos-32/mailman/message/3995210/ --- to this program in the Centroid site. I downloaded it from the FreeDOS site, --- So as I said, these source came from the freedos site. PLEASE.GO.AWAY. (and stay there for the rest of my life) I think you are absolutely obtuse if you think I asked you what I should do. ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] Centroid command.com license confirmed
Hi Stas, > As you probably know, once upon a time (like > 20 years ago) there were the command.com sources > from Centroid Corp under GPL. I never heard of Centroid. So: no. > AFAIK they were > removed from the freedos servers because of the > licence uncertaincy. I used them in my comcom32 > project: > https://github.com/stsp/comcom32 > and finally decided to see if I can do something > about its licensing. So I just mailed to Centroids, > and, quite suprisingly, the outcome was very positive: > https://github.com/stsp/comcom32/issues/12 FreeDOS is NOT the kitchen sink where to dump 20 years old, buggy software as long as it has a GPL3 license attached. In particular in case of command.com, some people here have spend some significant time to make it as compatible and bug free as possible. now you come and advertise something with * BUGS, PECULIARITIES, AND/OR UNIMPLEMENTED FEATURES * - Some commands are incomplete: TIME, DATE * - Some built-in commands should really be separate executables * and not built-in. They are: CHOICE, MORE, PAUSE, XCOPY. * - Some commands are not even recognized but should be. * They are: FOR, SHIFT no FOR,SHIFT: that's close to insulting. whatever your plans with this GPL3 software: there will not be a place in freedos. PLEASE.GO.AWAY. (and stay there for the rest of my life) Tom ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
