Re: [Freedos-kernel] Fwd: FreeDOS kernel disk routines

2004-11-06 Thread Arkady V.Belousov
Hi!

7-Ноя-2004 09:24 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bart Oldeman) wrote to
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BO> My 386 SX only had 80 MB hard disk space, which was far below the
BO> first problematic barrier of 1024*16*63*512=512MB

 1024*16*63*512=504Mb (or "528 Mb", as this counted by disk
manufacturers).




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Re: [Freedos-kernel] Fwd: FreeDOS kernel disk routines

2004-11-06 Thread Bart Oldeman
On Sat, 6 Nov 2004, tom ehlert wrote:

>  However,FreeDOS hooks INT 13

No, if anything hooks INT 13 it could be LBACACHE but the kernel does not
(it should but for different reasons -- see int2f/ah=13 in RBIL).

> how are these disks/BIOS variants detected ?
>
> I have a faint memory of these translating BIOS's, but can't find it
> in RBIL.

RBIL D-1302
INT 13 - DISK - READ SECTOR(S) INTO MEMORY
[...]
AWARD AT BIOS and AMI 386sx BIOS have been extended to handle more
than 1024 cylinders by placing bits 10 and 11 of the cylinder number
into bits 6 and 7 of DH

Probably a rare breed of machines. For most bit 6 & 7 of DH mean bit 6
and 7 of the (translated) head number. I have no idea how to distinguish
this meaning.

My 386 SX only had 80 MB hard disk space, which was far below the
first problematic barrier of 1024*16*63*512=512MB

> IMO the kernel shouldn't touch partitions that are to big to handle
> (>1024 cylinders), unless LBA is detected.

Agreed. That's what it does today.

Bart


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Re: [Freedos-kernel] Fwd: FreeDOS kernel disk routines

2004-11-06 Thread Arkady V.Belousov
Hi!

6-Ноя-2004 16:13 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (tom ehlert) wrote to
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te> From: Jose Antonio Senna
te> ===8<==Original message text===
te>  Excuse me for sending this directly to you, but I am still unable to post
te> on Freedos lists.
te>  I do not know who (if anyone) mantains the FreeDOS kernel disk routines.
te> If it is not you, please pass this mail to the appropriate person.
te>  The problem I found is:
te>  My computer BIOS INT 13 is able to access up to 4096 cylinders in a hard
te> disk,
te> by using bits 6 -7 of DH in INT 13 requests as bits 10-11 of cylinder
te> number.

 If so, then this is non-standard and this completely prohibits LBA
(with up to 256/255 heads).

te> This BIOS variant is documented in Brown and Kyle interrupts list.

 Ralf Brown not documents such API deviation (or I miss something?).

te>  However,FreeDOS hooks INT 13 and,in doing so,rolls over any cylinder
te> number modulo 1024, that is,if I make a request to access cylinder 1024,it
te> does not report any error,but I get cylinder 0, and so on.

 FreeDOS _doesn't_ hooks INT 13. See main.c:setup_int_vectors() for list
of hooked vectors.

te>  FreeDOS is not the only DOS to have this problem.

 May you quote code fragment, which works under other OSes (which?) and
doesn't works under FD?

te>  Is it too difficult to solve ?
te> ===8<===End of original message text===
te> my comment:
te> how are these disks/BIOS variants detected ?
te> I have a faint memory of these translating BIOS's, but can't find it
te> in RBIL.
te> IMO the kernel shouldn't touch partitions that are to big to handle
(>>1024 cylinders), unless LBA is detected.




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[Freedos-kernel] Fwd: FreeDOS kernel disk routines

2004-11-06 Thread tom ehlert



This is a forwarded message
From: Jose Antonio Senna
Subject: FreeDOS kernel disk routines

===8<==Original message text===
 Excuse me for sending this directly to you, but I am still unable to post
on Freedos lists.
 I do not know who (if anyone) mantains the FreeDOS kernel disk routines.
If it is not you, please pass this mail to the appropriate person.
 The problem I found is:
 My computer BIOS INT 13 is able to access up to 4096 cylinders in a hard disk,
by using bits 6 -7 of DH in INT 13 requests as bits 10-11 of cylinder number.
This BIOS variant is documented in Brown and Kyle interrupts list.
 However,FreeDOS hooks INT 13 and,in doing so,rolls over any cylinder 
number modulo 1024,that is,if I make a request to access cylinder 1024,it does
not report any error,but I get cylinder 0, and so on.
 FreeDOS is not the only DOS to have this problem. Is it too difficult to 
solve ?
I thank you for your attention
JAS

===8<===End of original message text===

my comment:

how are these disks/BIOS variants detected ?

I have a faint memory of these translating BIOS's, but can't find it
in RBIL.

IMO the kernel shouldn't touch partitions that are to big to handle
(>1024 cylinders), unless LBA is detected.

tom




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