[Freedos-user] Microsoft’s patents
For many (most?) people, FreeDOS offers a chance to start our Windows machines in DOS mode in order to do maintenance work on the hard drives with no open files. Not just for rescue when the machine crashes, but for total backup of a known-good system. James Tabor is probably right. To do this right, we need a simple, stable DOS (or MS-DOS emulator), with drivers for hard disks, USB flash disks, USB hard disks, LANs, etc., which can read and write all varieties of FAT and NTFS without damaging long file names and other metadata. I know. I know. MS-DOS and Windows are not, and never were, the best possible operating systems. But please remember that over 99% of computer users do not buy (or build) a computer and operating system just to have the best possible operating system or hardware. We select the hardware and operating system that will run the software we need or want, hopefully with the least pain. Most applications, including some that I personally find indispensable, have never been written for any operating systems but MS-DOS and Windows. So I still buy and build Intel-Windows computers. It would be stupid and short-sighted of Microsoft to make FreeDOS and like systems go away, especially since they no longer sell or support MS-DOS. Please keep up the good work. I await FreeDOS 1.0.0 with bated breath. ---Eli --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637alloc_id=16865op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FAT and other file systems
Christian Voß wrote: Hi, I can't understand that you talk only about linux filesystems as an alternative. There are more options like i.e. HFS, HFS+ and FFS. And HFS /HFS+ are under GPL so we can use it without repressions. And I think it is not more difficult to write HFS or FFS in the kernel of FreeDOS than ReiserFS or XFS or all the other candidates. Would JFS (journalling file system) be considered an alternative? -- TomLeeM / BigWarpGuy * * http://tomleem.homestead.com * * * * Director of Communications - * - Linkmaster * * * * * * * * * OS/2 Warp - eComStation Org * * OS/2 World * * * * * * * * * http://www.os2ecs.org * * http://www.os2world.com * * * * Supporting Past OS/2 Users and Future eCS Users * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637alloc_id=16865op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FAT and other file systems
2006/1/14, Tom Lee Mullins [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Christian Voß wrote: Hi, I can't understand that you talk only about linux filesystems as an alternative. There are more options like i.e. HFS, HFS+ and FFS. And HFS /HFS+ are under GPL so we can use it without repressions. And I think it is not more difficult to write HFS or FFS in the kernel of FreeDOS than ReiserFS or XFS or all the other candidates.Would JFS (journalling file system) be considered an alternative? HFS isn't a JFS and it is more stable then FAT. And HFS is under GPL. --TomLeeM / BigWarpGuy * * http://tomleem.homestead.com * ** * Directorof Communications - * - Linkmaster** * * * * ** *OS/2 Warp - eComStation Org * * OS/2 World ** * * * * ** * http://www.os2ecs.org* * http://www.os2world.com* ** * Supporting Past OS/2 Users and Future eCS Users * * * * * ** * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *--- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log filesfor problems?Stop!Download the new AJAX search engine that makessearching your log files as easy as surfing theweb.DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637alloc_id=16865op=click___Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.nethttps://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] re: Microsoft=92s patents
Hi Eli, James Tabor is probably right. To do this right, we need a simple, stable DOS (or MS-DOS emulator), with drivers for hard disks, USB flash disks, USB hard disks, LANs, etc., which can read and write all varieties of FAT and NTFS without damaging long file names and other metadata. You want Linux Most applications, including some that I personally find indispensable, have never been written for any operating systems but MS-DOS and Windows. So I still buy and build Intel-Windows computers. On which you can run Linux for maintenance. Actually you can even run most of the apps on it (in Wine) better than on DOS ;-). It would be stupid and short-sighted of Microsoft to make FreeDOS and like systems go away, especially since they no longer sell or support MS-DOS. They already documented that in their 2000 PDF about FAT: You can always use your FAT/... drivers for purposes like booting, firmware, diagnosis, maintenance... Their comment can even be read as you can always include FAT driver is in your operating system :-). http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/hwdev/download/hardware/fatgen103.pdf Eric PS: I recommend DOS for running DOS games and for certain embedded system tasks. And for running DOS programs in general, without the overhead of running Windows or Linux or ReactOS. And in DOSEMU... --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637alloc_id=16865op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] re: Microsoft=92s patents
--- Eric Auer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Eli, James Tabor is probably right. To do this right, we need a simple, stable DOS (or MS-DOS emulator), with drivers for hard disks, USB flash disks, USB hard disks, LANs, etc., which can read and write all varieties of FAT and NTFS without damaging long file names and other metadata. You want Linux No, we want DOS. A Microsoft server admin would be much more comfortable using a DOS-based rescue disk than anything *nix based since they all know the DOS commands. A person managing a *nix server will know *nix and therefore use Knoppix or FreeSBIE but give a Windows user a Knoppix CD and they'll be lost. Also, DOS has a smaller footprint (in both memory/CPU usage and disk space) than *nix or Windows which could be quite usefull. I think a FreeDOS distro for rescue/maintenance work would be a really good idea and if started I would almost certainly try and help. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637alloc_id=16865op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] re: Microsoft=92s patents
Hi! 14-Янв-2006 22:00 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Eric Auer) wrote to freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net: EA http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/hwdev/download/hardware/fatgen103.pdf This link doesn't work. --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637alloc_id=16865op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] re: Microsoft=92s patents
Derek Newhall wrote: --- Eric Auer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Eli, James Tabor is probably right. To do this right, we need a simple, stable DOS (or MS-DOS emulator), with drivers for hard disks, USB flash disks, USB hard disks, LANs, etc., which can read and write all varieties of FAT and NTFS without damaging long file names and other metadata. You want Linux No, we want DOS. A Microsoft server admin would be much more comfortable using a DOS-based rescue disk than anything *nix based since they all know the DOS commands. That is an issue of the user applications and shell, not the OS. Just because you use a DOS kernel does not mean that you have to use a COMMAND.COM-style shell or clones of the external commands shipped with MS-DOS. You could use e.g. bash on Linux with aliases to map the MS-DOS commands to the GNU Coreutils equivalents. I believe that there are also packages of executables (compiled executables or interpreted scripts) that allow you to use the MS-DOS commands and their syntax on *nix. It is of course also not hard to *learn* to use coreutils. Simply run command --help instead of command /? and read the man page if you need further information. Messy-DOS is a clone of CP/M with elements from *nix. It does not have something as useful as an organised, central manual for documentation of user commands. A person managing a *nix server will know *nix and therefore use Knoppix or FreeSBIE but give a Windows user a Knoppix CD and they'll be lost. Not if they are doing simple tasks with KDE. Also, DOS has a smaller footprint (in both memory/CPU usage and disk space) than *nix or Windows which could be quite usefull. You can create small-footprint Linux distributions also with e.g. busybox and uClibc. I think a FreeDOS distro for rescue/maintenance work would be a really good idea and if started I would almost certainly try and help. --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637alloc_id=16865op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
