Re: [Freedos-user] {Spam?} [OT] Problems in the ReactOS community...
What have I ever said in the ReactOS community that calls for threatening me with prosecution? If nothing merits this, there is proof then that the ReactOS community is troubled and possibly that this trouble is as serious as I suggest. Judge not, that ye be not judged. IOW: don't spam this list with such nonsense! Since you are apparently a religious person: ask God to forgive the ReactOS people their sins. That's the appropriate answer. Have you never heard of the Sermon on the Mount? -- Doing More with Less: The Next Generation Virtual Desktop What are the key obstacles that have prevented many mid-market businesses from deploying virtual desktops? How do next-generation virtual desktops provide companies an easier-to-deploy, easier-to-manage and more affordable virtual desktop model.http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51426474/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] {Spam?} [OT] Problems in the ReactOS community...
On Thu, 2011-09-08 at 08:42 +0200, japhethx gmail wrote: What have I ever said in the ReactOS community that calls for threatening me with prosecution? If nothing merits this, there is proof then that the ReactOS community is troubled and possibly that this trouble is as serious as I suggest. Judge not, that ye be not judged. IOW: don't spam this list with such nonsense! Since you are apparently a religious person: ask God to forgive the ReactOS people their sins. That's the appropriate answer. Have you never heard of the Sermon on the Mount? How does saying, if nothing merits prosecuting me, the ReactOS community is troubled, rise to the level of passing judgment on people? The argument is, the ReactOS community is troubled and you can clearly see this for yourself if you really want to. If we can't judge that there is discrimination, how can it ever be fought? Where in the sermon on the mount did Christ say, don't admonish the sinner? Christ didn't say, you are not to determine who your enemies are, but this is exactly what you seem to be reading into that sermon. Failing to admonish the sinner, refraining from doing so when it could be effective is itself a sin of omission. Unfortunately, no one person can effectively blow the whistle on the ReactOS community. It is going to take a lot of people speaking out and maybe even the collapse of the ReactOS foundation for real change to take hold. I hope whatever it takes to bring positive change that it happens and happens soon. I haven't spammed the Freedos list. Sorry Japeth, but ReactOS is an open source project just like Freedos where ReactOS is especially relevant to anyone who wants/needs a free Windows NT clone. That both projects involve open source software, the two communities of people can be looked at comparatively and it is reasonable to say that this community is functional while the ReactOS community simply isn't. Do you not know the seriousness of threatening to prosecute someone and have them thrown in jail if they ever attempt to communicate with you again? This is the threat I received from at least one person in the ReactOS community on the forums today. Whether or not there is any weight behind the threat matters, but it is a serious matter even if the threat is weak. What kind of open source project leader/moderator threatens strangers with prosecution for trying to use the forum and/or IRC channels? Political relations wise, this is unnecessary and highly inadvisable behavior. This is the sort of behavior that makes enemies. Wonder why there is a lack of participation in the ReactOS project? Stop wondering, the answer is obvious. -- Doing More with Less: The Next Generation Virtual Desktop What are the key obstacles that have prevented many mid-market businesses from deploying virtual desktops? How do next-generation virtual desktops provide companies an easier-to-deploy, easier-to-manage and more affordable virtual desktop model.http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51426474/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Open source project suing a stranger...
As final word, we have the right to sue YOU if you reregister with another name for bypassing our ban. In germany we call this Hausrecht. If you wanna discuss this, feel free to join #reactos in about three hours. I will be there. Feel free to sue me, could be real fun ^^ -- Doing More with Less: The Next Generation Virtual Desktop What are the key obstacles that have prevented many mid-market businesses from deploying virtual desktops? How do next-generation virtual desktops provide companies an easier-to-deploy, easier-to-manage and more affordable virtual desktop model.http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51426474/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] {Spam?} [OT] Problems in the ReactOS community...
Alerting us to the clashes in ReactOS serves to remind us of how good we have it here; the group is small and flare-ups are at a minimum. That being said, I don't think it is productive to keep making your case here; it is not a FreeDOS issue and it is not for us to judge who is right or wrong. Also, I don't think anybody is going to get on their IRC just to watch the fireworks. In the land of FreeDOS we have the following problems: - Hardware support on newer hardware - Improving the usefulness of our software in an age where expectations (and requirements) for software are so great - Growing (or at least holding) our users and staying relevant Regards, Mike -- Doing More with Less: The Next Generation Virtual Desktop What are the key obstacles that have prevented many mid-market businesses from deploying virtual desktops? How do next-generation virtual desktops provide companies an easier-to-deploy, easier-to-manage and more affordable virtual desktop model.http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51426474/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Serial ports versus USB versus virtual computers with DOS guests
Sent from my iPhone On Sep 7, 2011, at 6:41 PM, Ralf A. Quint free...@gmx.net wrote: At 03:23 PM 9/7/2011, Eric Auer wrote: Hi Ralf, my idea was that the serial hardware device to USB hardware port conversion was done in hardware, so either covered by working hardware or hopeless... Next step is getting from real USB port to anything accessible inside a VM and I had the idea that a typical VM shows USB to guests as USB, too. Of course that means more work for DOS then, but still ;-) Probably depends on the VM whether it prefers pass-through of raw USB or rather made up devices from host OS drivers. I think it is certainly worth a try. Of course with first trying with DOS using real USB on real hardware then :-) But that doesn't look like a real option in this case, as he has a serial device (his external speech synthesizer) and an existing software (the utilities for said speech synthesizer) he is trying to run. As far as (Free)DOS is concerned, it can only provide assistance in form of DOS routines and info for the serial port that in turn rely on certain hardware info provided by the BIOS replacement of the VM. So it's up to the VM to handle this properly and it is my practical experience that most of them are likely to not properly provide that info, as most of them simply don't care about such legacy devices anymore... One thing I noticed. When my serial2usb adaptor is connected. And I look in /dev on my computer this is listed: cu.usbserial-FTKVMAFF But when I try to open my vm, I get an error: loctl failed for serial host device '/dev/cu.usbserial-FTKVMAFF' (VERR_DEV_IO_ERROR). The device will not work properly. And under details- Error ID:DrvHostSerialFail And when I look in /dev cu.usbserial-FTKVMAFF Is gone? And my settings for my vm are Ports--Serial Ports--Port 1-- Enable serial port, checked Port mode- host device Create pipe, unchecked Port/file path: /dev/cu.usbserial-FTKVMAFF Ralf -- Using storage to extend the benefits of virtualization and iSCSI Virtualization increases hardware utilization and delivers a new level of agility. Learn what those decisions are and how to modernize your storage and backup environments for virtualization. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51434361/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Doing More with Less: The Next Generation Virtual Desktop What are the key obstacles that have prevented many mid-market businesses from deploying virtual desktops? How do next-generation virtual desktops provide companies an easier-to-deploy, easier-to-manage and more affordable virtual desktop model.http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51426474/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos-user Digest, Vol 510, Issue 1
Hello all
My very first post, I'm a learner. (not a noob)
WTF ? ? ?
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From: Ralf A. Quint free...@gmx.net
Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Serial ports versus USB versus
virtual
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At 03:23 PM 9/7/2011, Eric Auer wrote:
Hi Ralf,
my idea was that the serial hardware device to USB
hardware
port conversion was done in hardware, so either
covered by
working hardware or hopeless... Next step is getting
from
real USB port to anything accessible inside a VM and I
had
the idea that a typical VM shows USB to guests as USB,
too.
Of course that means more work for DOS then, but still
;-)
Probably depends on the VM whether it prefers
pass-through
of raw USB or rather made up devices from host OS
drivers.
I think it is certainly worth a try. Of course with
first
trying with DOS using real USB on real hardware then
:-)
But that doesn't look like a real option in this case, as
he has a
serial device (his external speech synthesizer) and an
existing
software (the utilities for said speech synthesizer) he is
trying to run.
As far as (Free)DOS is concerned, it can only provide
assistance in
form of DOS routines and info for the serial port that in
turn rely
on certain hardware info provided by the BIOS replacement
of the VM.
So it's up to the VM to handle this properly and it is my
practical
experience that most of them are likely to not properly
provide that
info, as most of them simply don't care about such legacy
devices anymore...
Ralf
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Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 20:27:35 -0500
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Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] {Spam?} [OT] Problems in the
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There need to be consequences for unprofessionalism,
faschism, etcetera. I
honestly wonder if some of the developers are Neo Nazis.
This comes across as just a bit over-the-top (and poor
spelling as
well...). Fascist, Communist, Socialist, etc., these
are people who
will systematically murder, or at best callously allow the
deaths of,
millions of human beings in pursuit of their vision of a
perfect
world. To say that, these people must be Nazis
'cause they were mean
to me, shows a total lack of comprehension of what Nazis
were and
what they did to people. Just being rude and
offensive does not make
someone a Nazi. Get a grip...
On 9/7/11, Michael C. Robinson plu...@robinson-west.com
wrote:
Freedos has it's place. Unlike ReactOS, Freedos
actually works most of
the time. Partially due to the fact the Freedos
is based on something
that is far less complex of course. This is OT,
but the relevance is
that people suggest using ReactOS if and when Windows
is wanted here.
As far as don't talk about religion, politics,
etcetera, I didn't intend
to really. An IRC chat channel about ReactOS is
political by nature
though where the ReactOS devs and moderators clearly
have their own
troublesome politics. More troubling, I was
threatened with arrest if I
get on the ReactOS forums
