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[Karen Lewellen]

Hi all,
I am wondering if anyone else here uses this dos package for any of their 
internet work?

by contrast  how or if I can still reach the package developer?
I have a unique issue that I must explore with someone very used to 
this particular  program.

Thanks,
Karen



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Re: [Freedos-user] [Freedos-user} copywrites

[Jim Hall]

> On Jul 3, 2018, at 2:37 PM, Jim Hall  wrote:
> [..]
> In the US (and in many other countries) copyright exists the moment
> you create sometime and put your name to it. The US government does
> *not* need to keep a record of it in order for copyright to happen.
> From the US Copyright Office FAQ:
>
> When is my work protected?
> Your work is under copyright protection the moment it is created and
> fixed in a tangible form that it is perceptible either directly or
> with the aid of a machine or device.
>
> 

On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 3:19 PM, Jerome Shidel  wrote:
> Yep…
[..]
> US copyright law regarding software is similar to that regarding the
> written word (Books, Magazines and etc). It is protected by
> copyright at the moment of creation.
[..]
> Unfortunately…
>
> Although publishing the work can at least establish the date the protected
> work was created, it is only a partial solution. Without registering the
> copyrighted work with the US Copyright Office, the holder of the copyright
> will
> be on a poor legal footing and have a difficult time enforcing
> any copyright violations committed against their work.
>

Exactly. And that should answer Dale's question of "So what is the
point of having a copyright office." Your work is automatically under
copyright when you create it. But if you register the work with the US
Copyright Office, then you have a solid legal ground if someone else
comes along later and tries to claim "I made that."

The same applies to trademark, by the way. Anyone can claim a
trademark on something. You don't have to register it. But by filing
your trademark with the US Patent and Trademark Office, you have
greater legal standing if someone tries to use the trademark. That's
the difference between ™ and ®. You can claim any trademark with ™. If
you register your trademark with the USPTO, you can use ®.

But copyright is © whether you register it or not.

For example, I claimed "FreeDOS" as a trademark, so no one else can
come along later with another project and call it "FreeDOS." We are
able to show creation in 1994, and "commercial" usage (aka Pat's
FreeDOS Kernel book, and the FreeDOS website) since 1996. So
practically speaking, it would be difficult for someone else to claim
"FreeDOS" as their own. But I declared it explicitly in 2001, although
I haven't filed with the USPTO (because it's really $$ expensive to do
so). There's a note about our trademark on the website, linked in the
footer of each page: http://www.freedos.org/trademark/


Jim

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Re: [Freedos-user] [Freedos-user} copywrites

[geneb]

On Tue, 3 Jul 2018, Dale E Sterner wrote:


If I was a drug copany or inventor; I'd try to get a copyright
rather then a patent. I'd type the description out on a type writter
an register it. No generic drugs for years.


That's not how Copyright works.  Please use Google.

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Re: [Freedos-user] [Freedos-user} copywrites

[Dale E Sterner]

I read your link, very eye opening. Very few people
are aware of this. I once paid a lawyer $30 to explain
copyrights to me. Even he got it wrong - very wrong.
By the way I'm a horrible speller, always have been.

If I was a drug copany or inventor; I'd try to get a copyright
rather then a patent. I'd type the description out on a type writter
an register it. No generic drugs for years.


cheers
DS


On Tue, 3 Jul 2018 13:37:25 -0500 Jim Hall  writes:
> >> On 7/2/2018 7:58 AM, Dale E Sterner wrote:
> >> > Which doesn't explain why the copywright
> >> > office didn't find anything for "Crosstalk"
> >> > which was after 1978.
> 
> > On Mon, 2 Jul 2018 09:28:38 -0700 Ralf Quint 
>  wrote:
> >> Which is nonsense to begin with, as there simply can't be any DOS
> >> software before 1981, the year the first MS/PC-DOS version came 
> out.
> >> That means that any software, that hasn't been specifically put 
> into
> >> Public Domain is under copyright for at least 70 years...
> >>
> >> Also, what is that copywrite/copywright office you keep talking
> >> about?
> >> If you're dealing with legal issues, it really pays to be 
> precise...
> 
> On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 12:56 PM, Dale E Sterner 
>  wrote:
> > My goal was to find the legal owner and see if they
> > would sell me a copy of the source code and let
> > me make changes for personal use only.
> > It has to have a copywrite on it so why didn't
> > the office find one; it seems a simple job.
> > Their reply was that they couldn't find anything,
> > How is that possible? They never asked for
> > more imformation.
> 
> In the US (and in many other countries) copyright exists the moment
> you create sometime and put your name to it. The US government does
> *not* need to keep a record of it in order for copyright to happen.
> From the US Copyright Office FAQ:
> 
> When is my work protected?
> Your work is under copyright protection the moment it is created and
> fixed in a tangible form that it is perceptible either directly or
> with the aid of a machine or device.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> *Note: the correct spelling is "copyright" because the creator has 
> the
> RIGHT to say how a COPY is made.
> 
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] [Freedos-user} copywrites

[geneb]

On Tue, 3 Jul 2018, Dale E Sterner wrote:


I can see I found a real expert.
So what is the point of having a copyright office.
We could save a lot of tax money getting rid of it.
Also why don't they do patents the same way.
Then is there anything out there that is public domain.


For certain legal remedies, you must register your work with the Copyright 
office.


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Re: [Freedos-user] [Freedos-user} copywrites

[Dale E Sterner]

I can see I found a real expert.
So what is the point of having a copyright office.
We could save a lot of tax money getting rid of it.
Also why don't they do patents the same way.
Then is there anything out there that is public domain.


cheers
DS

On Tue, 3 Jul 2018 13:37:25 -0500 Jim Hall  writes:
> >> On 7/2/2018 7:58 AM, Dale E Sterner wrote:
> >> > Which doesn't explain why the copywright
> >> > office didn't find anything for "Crosstalk"
> >> > which was after 1978.
> 
> > On Mon, 2 Jul 2018 09:28:38 -0700 Ralf Quint 
>  wrote:
> >> Which is nonsense to begin with, as there simply can't be any DOS
> >> software before 1981, the year the first MS/PC-DOS version came 
> out.
> >> That means that any software, that hasn't been specifically put 
> into
> >> Public Domain is under copyright for at least 70 years...
> >>
> >> Also, what is that copywrite/copywright office you keep talking
> >> about?
> >> If you're dealing with legal issues, it really pays to be 
> precise...
> 
> On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 12:56 PM, Dale E Sterner 
>  wrote:
> > My goal was to find the legal owner and see if they
> > would sell me a copy of the source code and let
> > me make changes for personal use only.
> > It has to have a copywrite on it so why didn't
> > the office find one; it seems a simple job.
> > Their reply was that they couldn't find anything,
> > How is that possible? They never asked for
> > more imformation.
> 
> In the US (and in many other countries) copyright exists the moment
> you create sometime and put your name to it. The US government does
> *not* need to keep a record of it in order for copyright to happen.
> From the US Copyright Office FAQ:
> 
> When is my work protected?
> Your work is under copyright protection the moment it is created and
> fixed in a tangible form that it is perceptible either directly or
> with the aid of a machine or device.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> *Note: the correct spelling is "copyright" because the creator has 
> the
> RIGHT to say how a COPY is made.
> 
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] [Freedos-user} copywrites

[Jim Hall]

>> On 7/2/2018 7:58 AM, Dale E Sterner wrote:
>> > Which doesn't explain why the copywright
>> > office didn't find anything for "Crosstalk"
>> > which was after 1978.

> On Mon, 2 Jul 2018 09:28:38 -0700 Ralf Quint  wrote:
>> Which is nonsense to begin with, as there simply can't be any DOS
>> software before 1981, the year the first MS/PC-DOS version came out.
>> That means that any software, that hasn't been specifically put into
>> Public Domain is under copyright for at least 70 years...
>>
>> Also, what is that copywrite/copywright office you keep talking
>> about?
>> If you're dealing with legal issues, it really pays to be precise...

On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 12:56 PM, Dale E Sterner  wrote:
> My goal was to find the legal owner and see if they
> would sell me a copy of the source code and let
> me make changes for personal use only.
> It has to have a copywrite on it so why didn't
> the office find one; it seems a simple job.
> Their reply was that they couldn't find anything,
> How is that possible? They never asked for
> more imformation.

In the US (and in many other countries) copyright exists the moment
you create sometime and put your name to it. The US government does
*not* need to keep a record of it in order for copyright to happen.
>From the US Copyright Office FAQ:

When is my work protected?
Your work is under copyright protection the moment it is created and
fixed in a tangible form that it is perceptible either directly or
with the aid of a machine or device.




*Note: the correct spelling is "copyright" because the creator has the
RIGHT to say how a COPY is made.

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Re: [Freedos-user] [Freedos-user} copywrites

[Dale E Sterner]

My goal was to find the legal owner and see if they
would sell me a copy of the source code and let
me make changes for personal use only.
It has to have a copywrite on it so why didn't
the office find one; it seems a simple job.
Their reply was that they couldn't find anything,
How is that possible? They never asked for
more imformation.

DS



On Mon, 2 Jul 2018 09:28:38 -0700 Ralf Quint 
writes:
> On 7/2/2018 7:58 AM, Dale E Sterner wrote:
> 
> > Which doesn't explain why the copywright
> > office didn't find anything for "Crosstalk"
> > which was after 1978. 
> Which is nonsense to begin with, as there simply can't be any DOS
> software before 1981, the year the first MS/PC-DOS version came out.
> That means that any software, that hasn't been specifically put into
> Public Domain is under copyright for at least 70 years...
> 
> Also, what is that copywrite/copywright office you keep talking 
> about?
> If you're dealing with legal issues, it really pays to be precise...
> 
> Ralf
> 
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