Re: [Freedos-user] freedos & old 486-33MHZ System

2018-07-09 Thread dmccunney 
On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 12:38 AM Thomas Fritsch  wrote:
>
> im trying to optimize the use out of my old 486 for realtivly older things 
> including Win 3.1 Software, am i best sticking to MS-DOS 6.22  or will 
> freedos on such an old ram starved system  proove to run better? (20MB SIMM 
> memory)

FreeDOS will run wonderfully on a 20MB RAM machine.  After all, DOS
uses 640K of "real" memory, and you can use memory beyond that as EMS
or XMS for apps that can use it, and as RAMdisk and disk cache.  All
you need are the right drivers.

IIRC, I ran Win3.1 on a box with 8MB RAM, though more is better where
Windows is concerned.

In that environment, DOS is a real mode loader for Windows, Windows
runs on top of DOS, and is essentially a multi-tasking GUI shell under
which you can run Win apps, and Windows handles the memory
management..

FreeDOS vs MSDOS is a question of whether Win3.1 runs acceptably on
top of FreeDOS or needs the real thing.  I used MSDOS when I ran
Win3.11, and didn't start playing with FreeDOS till well after.

> i cant give too many details on the system as its kinda on eof those 
> "Oddball" ones outta teh early 90's by "InfoTel Inc" and the motherboard 
> bears " UC4913 Rev 2.0"

Try it and see.  The question I have is what you plan to run under Win3.1.
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Re: [Freedos-user] freedos & old 486-33MHZ System

2018-07-09 Thread Ralf Quint 

On 7/9/2018 9:37 PM, Thomas Fritsch wrote:
im trying to optimize the use out of my old 486 for realtivly older 
things including Win 3.1 Software, am i best sticking to MS-DOS 6.22  
or will freedos on such an old ram starved system  proove to run 
better? (20MB SIMM memory)
FreeDOS doesn't inherently run better than MS-DOS on any hardware, old 
or new, they share the same (dis)advantages...


Ralf

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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS Networking with NetWare?

2018-07-09 Thread Ralf Quint 

On 7/9/2018 8:56 PM, Thomas Mueller wrote:
Newer computers will not in general be able to use Crynwr packet 
drivers, but some (I believe many) motherboards support booting by PXE 
over the Ethernet.

In that case, would it be possible to so boot FreeDOS and have Ehternet support 
from the BIOS/UEFI?

No. As there aren't any network services as standard on the BIOS level. 
The OP asked about Personal Netware, and just as the "full" netware (at 
least pre 5.x), it is using IPX(SPX) as its network protocol, not 
TCP/IP. So any packet driver is a no go to begin with...


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[Freedos-user] freedos & old 486-33MHZ System

2018-07-09 Thread Thomas Fritsch 
im trying to optimize the use out of my old 486 for realtivly older things
including Win 3.1 Software, am i best sticking to MS-DOS 6.22  or will
freedos on such an old ram starved system  proove to run better? (20MB SIMM
memory)

i cant give too many details on the system as its kinda on eof those
"Oddball" ones outta teh early 90's by "InfoTel Inc" and the motherboard
bears " UC4913 Rev 2.0"
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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS Networking with NetWare?

2018-07-09 Thread Thomas Mueller 


from Rugxulo (snippet):

> You can check the old Crynwr packet driver collection (mirrored on
> iBiblio) or a few other sites:

* 
http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/1.2/repos/pkg-html/group-net.html
* http://www.georgpotthast.de/sioux/packet.htm
* 
http://www.realtek.com/Downloads/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=14&PFid=6&Level=5&Conn=4&DownTypeID=3&GetDown=false#3

Newer computers will not in general be able to use Crynwr packet drivers, but 
some (I believe many) motherboards support booting by PXE over the Ethernet.

In that case, would it be possible to so boot FreeDOS and have Ehternet support 
from the BIOS/UEFI?

Tom


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[Freedos-user] Networking without ethernet?

2018-07-09 Thread David McMackins 
I have a 1998 Sony Vaio running FreeDOS. This model did not include an
ethernet controller (or wlan), but it does have an old modem in it. I've
been going through the networking guide referred to by Rugxulo, and I
got down to running NICSCAN.EXE only to realize *oops!* this computer
doesn't even have an ethernet card.

Supposing I could find a working phone line and dial-up service to
connect the modem to, is there hope of using TCP/IP applications like
wget over it using the software available to me?

Happy Hacking,

David E. McMackins II
Supporting Member, Electronic Frontier Foundation (#2296972)
Associate Member, Free Software Foundation (#12889)

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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS Networking with NetWare?

2018-07-09 Thread Rugxulo 
Hi,

On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 5:07 AM, Bruce Sommerset  wrote:
> Hello everyone. I'm a new user to FreeDOS.

Welcome. We are a very small but loyal group.  :-)

> I have some questions that perhaps more experienced users might be able to
> help me with. I am trying to get two computers to communicate with one
> another (Basically a small network) I have been skeptical about switching
> from MS-DOS 6.22 to FreeDOS purely for the sole purpose of getting this
> network going and perhaps be a little easier to configure.

I'm no expert (by far), but try reading the FD wiki and Ulrich Hansen's website:

* http://wiki.freedos.org/wiki/index.php/Networking_FreeDOS_complete
* https://www.lazybrowndog.net/freedos/virtualbox/?page_id=33

> My biggest problem was trying to get the drivers going for Personal Netware.
> I have two Realtek network adapters for these supposed computers. (1.
> RTL8169SC and the 2. RTL8139)

You can check the old Crynwr packet driver collection (mirrored on
iBiblio) or a few other sites:

* 
http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/1.2/repos/pkg-html/group-net.html
* http://www.georgpotthast.de/sioux/packet.htm
* 
http://www.realtek.com/Downloads/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=14&PFid=6&Level=5&Conn=4&DownTypeID=3&GetDown=false#3

> I just downloaded a bunch of drivers for each of them. I know they were
> being detected by Microsoft Network Client.
>
> Forgive me, but I am very new to networking for FreeDOS or DOS in general.
> I've never done anything like this before, so I'm hoping to get the proper
> guidance on how to go about this problem. It's been pretty stressful trying
> to figure this all out.
>
> I appreciate any feedback. Thanks.

Well, it's not that easy, plus DOS isn't exactly a mainstream platform
anymore. Still, we try to make do with what little we have. Don't get
your hopes up too high, but maybe you can get something going with a
little trial and error.

Oops, almost forgot to point to mTCP (and its extensive PDF doc),
which may somehow also help:

* http://www.brutman.com/mTCP/

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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS Networking with NetWare?

2018-07-09 Thread Don Flowers 
PNW relies on the ODI shim. Try RTSODI for the 8139. "Most"  8169s work
with The RTEODI. . Here's the key all drivers in the PNW segment have a
NET.CFG Save one play with one. Adjust the placement of the  802.11,803.11,
Alonso look at the OEM supplied .ins file.

On Sunday, July 8, 2018, Ralf Quint  wrote:

> On 7/8/2018 3:07 AM, Bruce Sommerset wrote:
>
> Hello everyone. I'm a new user to FreeDOS.
>
> I have some questions that perhaps more experienced users might be able to
> help me with. I am trying to get two computers to communicate with one
> another (Basically a small network) I have been skeptical about switching
> from MS-DOS 6.22 to FreeDOS purely for the sole purpose of getting this
> network going and perhaps be a little easier to configure.
>
> My biggest problem was trying to get the drivers going for Personal
> Netware. I have two Realtek network adapters for these supposed computers.
> (1. RTL8169SC and the 2. RTL8139)
>
> I just downloaded a bunch of drivers for each of them. I know they were
> being detected by Microsoft Network Client.
>
> Forgive me, but I am very new to networking for FreeDOS or DOS in general.
> I've never done anything like this before, so I'm hoping to get the proper
> guidance on how to go about this problem. It's been pretty stressful trying
> to figure this all out.
>
> I appreciate any feedback. Thanks.
>
> I used to network FreeDOS with both Personal Netware as well as with my
> Netware 3.12 server.
>
> The problem, specially nowadays, is to have drivers for the network cards
> that you are using. And for any version of Netware, the drivers are
> different than the ones for the Microsoft Network client. And for most
> newer network adapters/chips, there do no longer exist Netware drivers.
>
> Ralf
>
>
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