Re: [Freedos-user] C: location

[Regan Russell]

Hi Felix,
 I am am app developer. I am working on a bank app. A blind person has 
threatened to take the bank to a special discrimination court. I am working to 
fix the accessibility aspects of the app. I got the idea to write a book on 
accessibility for iOS and Android developers. I might put it on iBooks or 
approach publishers.
Can I talk to you about it? Maybe you could be a reviewer?

Regan


From: Felix G. 
Sent: Thursday, 2 April 2020 8:23 PM
To: Discussion and general questions about FreeDOS. 

Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] C: location

Hi,
you may use the boot screen blind, with VoiceOver on the Mac. You can
start it with cmd+f5.
I actually am blind so I know it works.
HTH,
Felix

Am Mi., 1. Apr. 2020 um 20:32 Uhr schrieb RJ Givens
:
>
> Ok, so I got ATIFlash to run form
> Booting by disk,  but it is not seeing the RX580, it is only seeing the 
> original video card ( have to leave it in otherwise I don’t get the boot 
> screen when holding down option)
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 1, 2020, at 10:59 AM, Eric Auer  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Hi!
> >
> >> Would that work if I have a second graphics card ?
> >
> > To be honest, I am pessimistic. I once tried to use
> > the real graphics card of a commercial VMWare server
> > workstation for GPU calculations by making it visible
> > to the OS inside the virtual computer and just got the
> > ability to crash the real hardware :-p I actually had
> > more luck to tune a DJGPP app into using 2 PCI or AGP
> > graphics cards simultaneously by PCI bus config tricks.
> >
> >> If the Mac Pro 5,1 would let you boot from USB,
> >> this wouldn’t be an issue.
> >
> > Or from CD or DVD, but I guess the Mac firmware has
> > never introduced PC compatible BIOS since they went
> > for PC compatible CPU? So, as said, you would have
> > to first load a CSM BIOS layer and I have no idea
> > whether that ever has been done successfully yet?
> >
> > Given that Mac are a lot more expensive than PC
> > anyway, you could maybe just acquire any simple
> > new or 2nd hand PC with the right slot (PCIe?)
> > for the graphics card, plug it there, boot DOS
> > from CD or USB, update your graphics BIOS, put
> > the graphics card back in the PC... Few 100 USD
> > should be plenty. Or of course ask any friend or
> > shop whether they let you use their PC for the
> > task, which should take at most a few hours to
> > figure out and then just a few minutes to do?
> >
> > Regards, Eric
> >
> > PS: It surprises me that you have no Mac version
> > of the VGA BIOS update installer tool available.
> > Maybe you just need the right Mac terminology to
> > find whatever Apple calls the DOS tool you have?
> >
> >
> >
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[Freedos-user] 4DOS-license issue (Sideline)

[Jose Antonio Senna]

Robert Riebisch  said:

>I had a look at PAINT2 and it's a real mess! :-(

>I was unsuccessful to convince makers of NeoPaint
>(NeoSoft Corporation) or Desktop Paint (Alchemy Mindworks)
> to release their products under a FOSS license.

Does any one of them still offer their DOS products
whatever the license ? NeoPaint used to be shareware,
but I didn´t see it last time I looked into NeoSoftware site.







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Re: [Freedos-user] 4DOS - license issue, not included in FreeDOS 1.3?

[Robert Riebisch]

Hi Jim,

> *Powerpaint* (PAINT2)
> License is unclear. The source code has a copyright notice but does not
> have a statement that says "you can use this" or similar. Further, contains
> the SVGA256.BGI driver. But more importantly, It contains many OBJ files
> without source and several Borland Copyright example files. Too unclear,
> not something we should distribute.

I had a look at PAINT2 and it's a real mess! :-(

Unfortunately, there are not many alternatives:

1) I looked through several shareware packages to find something similar
to Windows Paint or Deluxe Paint, but there's nearly nothing.

2) I was unsuccessful to convince makers of NeoPaint (NeoSoft
Corporation) or Desktop Paint (Alchemy Mindworks) to release their
products under a FOSS license.

3) GrafX2  by
Guillaume Dorme & Karl Maritaud is GNU GPL v2, but docs and Watcom C +
TP7 source code names & comments are in French.

4) OGE  by
Daniel Skarda is GNU GPL v2, but docs and TP source code names &
comments are in Czech.

5) VGAPaint 386  by Avery
Lee is GNU GPL v2, but unstable.

6) Grafix
 or

(source code) vanished and also uses Borland's BGI files.

7) AntiPaint for DOS

is unusable (to me).

8) Master Draw  by Arkham
Development is under a BSD license
,
but the interface looks a little overloaded, the font is hard to read
and it is written in QuickBASIC (?). Maybe someone can convert it to
FreeBASIC?

Any other ideas?

Cheers,
Robert
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Re: [Freedos-user] C: location

[RJ Givens]

> On Apr 2, 2020, at 10:16 AM, Eric Auer  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi! Some ideas regarding the possibility to use native
> Mac tools for your RX580 graphics card BIOS update task:
> 
> http://blog.greggant.com/posts/2018/05/07/definitive-mac-pro-upgrade-guide.html#efi-flashable
> 
> https://www.reddit.com/r/macpro/comments/al3kk2/flash_rx_580_to_show_boot_screen/
> 
> Apparently ATI / AMD is not very helpful, but
> maybe you get some ideas from those forums :-)

I’ll check those out. 


> 
>> There is no boot screen with the rx580, which is why
>> I need to flash the firmware on it.
> 
> Why do you need a boot screen? That sounds like
> some very low priority moment to have graphics?
> 

I need the boot screen to be able to boot from the Freedos Disk, otherwise the 
computer will boot directly into the startup disk. 


>> I got freedos to boot from the disk, and  got ATIFlash
>> running, but it’s only seeing the original card.
> 
> Does that mean you booted FreeDOS on the raw
> hardware of the Mac? How have you managed to
> do that? And what does original card mean, do
> you have TWO graphics cards? Why not remove
> the non-ATI while you do that BIOS update??
> 
> And actually why is having a boot screen on
> the non-ATI card not sufficient for you? ;-)
> 


I booted to Freedos via an CD.  Have to access the bootable cd via the boot 
screen by holding down the option key on start up.  If you don’t hold down 
the option key, it just boots into which ever OS is set as your startup disk. 

Yes , I have 2 graphics cards,  the stock ATI card that came with the Mac Pro, 
and rx580.   The goal
Is to remove the stock ATI card, but I need the boot screen to access the 
bootable cd.I haven’t found a way to execute the bootable cd from within 
MacOS or Windows.   

They are both ATI card. I swap between Mac OS and windows often and having 
the boot screen is the easiest way to do so.  The RX580 stock does not have the 
boot screen EFI, which is why I am trying to flash it to do so.  

> In case you prefer another language then English
> and this is why your mails often feature extremely
> short descriptions of the situation: Please write
> in your native language, by exception. There are
> people speaking various languages on this list so
> you may be understood better than in English :-)
> 
> Thank you! Regards, Eric
> 

I think I’ve been pretty clear about what’s going on.  Thanks for assuming 
English is my second language. 




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Re: [Freedos-user] C: location

[Eric Auer]

Hi! Some ideas regarding the possibility to use native
Mac tools for your RX580 graphics card BIOS update task:

http://blog.greggant.com/posts/2018/05/07/definitive-mac-pro-upgrade-guide.html#efi-flashable

https://www.reddit.com/r/macpro/comments/al3kk2/flash_rx_580_to_show_boot_screen/

Apparently ATI / AMD is not very helpful, but
maybe you get some ideas from those forums :-)

> There is no boot screen with the rx580, which is why
> I need to flash the firmware on it.

Why do you need a boot screen? That sounds like
some very low priority moment to have graphics?

> I got freedos to boot from the disk, and  got ATIFlash
> running, but it’s only seeing the original card.

Does that mean you booted FreeDOS on the raw
hardware of the Mac? How have you managed to
do that? And what does original card mean, do
you have TWO graphics cards? Why not remove
the non-ATI while you do that BIOS update??

And actually why is having a boot screen on
the non-ATI card not sufficient for you? ;-)

In case you prefer another language then English
and this is why your mails often feature extremely
short descriptions of the situation: Please write
in your native language, by exception. There are
people speaking various languages on this list so
you may be understood better than in English :-)

Thank you! Regards, Eric



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Re: [Freedos-user] C: location

[RJ Givens]

There is no boot screen with the rx580, which is why I need to flash the 
firmware on it.

I got freedos to boot from the disk, and  got ATIFlash running, but it’s only 
seeing the original card.  My guess is the current RX580 firmware doesn’t boot 
in the boot screen. 

> On Apr 2, 2020, at 2:24 AM, Felix G.  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> you may use the boot screen blind, with VoiceOver on the Mac. You can
> start it with cmd+f5.
> I actually am blind so I know it works.
> HTH,
> Felix
> 
>> Am Mi., 1. Apr. 2020 um 20:32 Uhr schrieb RJ Givens
>> :
>> 
>> Ok, so I got ATIFlash to run form
>> Booting by disk,  but it is not seeing the RX580, it is only seeing the 
>> original video card ( have to leave it in otherwise I don’t get the boot 
>> screen when holding down option)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
 On Apr 1, 2020, at 10:59 AM, Eric Auer  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> 
 Would that work if I have a second graphics card ?
>>> 
>>> To be honest, I am pessimistic. I once tried to use
>>> the real graphics card of a commercial VMWare server
>>> workstation for GPU calculations by making it visible
>>> to the OS inside the virtual computer and just got the
>>> ability to crash the real hardware :-p I actually had
>>> more luck to tune a DJGPP app into using 2 PCI or AGP
>>> graphics cards simultaneously by PCI bus config tricks.
>>> 
 If the Mac Pro 5,1 would let you boot from USB,
 this wouldn’t be an issue.
>>> 
>>> Or from CD or DVD, but I guess the Mac firmware has
>>> never introduced PC compatible BIOS since they went
>>> for PC compatible CPU? So, as said, you would have
>>> to first load a CSM BIOS layer and I have no idea
>>> whether that ever has been done successfully yet?
>>> 
>>> Given that Mac are a lot more expensive than PC
>>> anyway, you could maybe just acquire any simple
>>> new or 2nd hand PC with the right slot (PCIe?)
>>> for the graphics card, plug it there, boot DOS
>>> from CD or USB, update your graphics BIOS, put
>>> the graphics card back in the PC... Few 100 USD
>>> should be plenty. Or of course ask any friend or
>>> shop whether they let you use their PC for the
>>> task, which should take at most a few hours to
>>> figure out and then just a few minutes to do?
>>> 
>>> Regards, Eric
>>> 
>>> PS: It surprises me that you have no Mac version
>>> of the VGA BIOS update installer tool available.
>>> Maybe you just need the right Mac terminology to
>>> find whatever Apple calls the DOS tool you have?
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [Freedos-user] C: location

[Felix G.]

Hi,
you may use the boot screen blind, with VoiceOver on the Mac. You can
start it with cmd+f5.
I actually am blind so I know it works.
HTH,
Felix

Am Mi., 1. Apr. 2020 um 20:32 Uhr schrieb RJ Givens
:
>
> Ok, so I got ATIFlash to run form
> Booting by disk,  but it is not seeing the RX580, it is only seeing the 
> original video card ( have to leave it in otherwise I don’t get the boot 
> screen when holding down option)
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 1, 2020, at 10:59 AM, Eric Auer  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Hi!
> >
> >> Would that work if I have a second graphics card ?
> >
> > To be honest, I am pessimistic. I once tried to use
> > the real graphics card of a commercial VMWare server
> > workstation for GPU calculations by making it visible
> > to the OS inside the virtual computer and just got the
> > ability to crash the real hardware :-p I actually had
> > more luck to tune a DJGPP app into using 2 PCI or AGP
> > graphics cards simultaneously by PCI bus config tricks.
> >
> >> If the Mac Pro 5,1 would let you boot from USB,
> >> this wouldn’t be an issue.
> >
> > Or from CD or DVD, but I guess the Mac firmware has
> > never introduced PC compatible BIOS since they went
> > for PC compatible CPU? So, as said, you would have
> > to first load a CSM BIOS layer and I have no idea
> > whether that ever has been done successfully yet?
> >
> > Given that Mac are a lot more expensive than PC
> > anyway, you could maybe just acquire any simple
> > new or 2nd hand PC with the right slot (PCIe?)
> > for the graphics card, plug it there, boot DOS
> > from CD or USB, update your graphics BIOS, put
> > the graphics card back in the PC... Few 100 USD
> > should be plenty. Or of course ask any friend or
> > shop whether they let you use their PC for the
> > task, which should take at most a few hours to
> > figure out and then just a few minutes to do?
> >
> > Regards, Eric
> >
> > PS: It surprises me that you have no Mac version
> > of the VGA BIOS update installer tool available.
> > Maybe you just need the right Mac terminology to
> > find whatever Apple calls the DOS tool you have?
> >
> >
> >
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