Re: [Freedos-user] freedos 1.3rc3 installer hangs when booting from usb and loading jemmex
the speed is network upload not my USB, and having a USB plugged stucks at that sentence JemmEX Version, tried freedos 1.2 with USB plugged in , it worked fine , but it bugs in freedos 1.3 rc 3 . Original Message On Jun 11, 2020, 11:39 PM, Eric Auer wrote: > Hi Haytam, > > this is not a chat. Please write more than one sentence in each email. > Also, please 1. either do not change the subject so often, > 2. or always use a subject which describes the actual topic. > >> well my speed to slow, > You mean your USB is too slow? > >> well having a USB plugged in it stuck at jemmex thing with version > >> but booting it without USB, works fine, this is an issue to fix, > > It is possible that the protected mode things of JEMMEX have some > incompatibility with the USB boot driver of your BIOS. It is a good > idea to consider booting without USB in that case, but of course you > could also read the JEMMEX documentation: Maybe excluding some UMB > area or activating some compatibility options for JEMMEX helps. For > example, there may be problems with DMA I/O or protected mode BIOS. > > The easy solution is: Do not load JEMMEX when booting from USB. > > Jerome: Please check if it is possible to not load JEMMEX during > the install, but load it only after installation. Might be safer > and I guess you do not really need UMB during install :-) > > Regards, Eric > > PS: I guess the following is obsolete now? It does boot, > as long as you disable JEMMEX, if I understand correctly. > >> freedos1.3 rc 3, full USB, full installation, >> doesn't boot with USB, a next email will showcase it > > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] freedos 1.3rc3 installer hangs when booting from usb and loading jemmex
Hi Haytam, this is not a chat. Please write more than one sentence in each email. Also, please 1. either do not change the subject so often, 2. or always use a subject which describes the actual topic. > well my speed to slow, You mean your USB is too slow? > well having a USB plugged in it stuck at jemmex thing with version > but booting it without USB, works fine, this is an issue to fix, It is possible that the protected mode things of JEMMEX have some incompatibility with the USB boot driver of your BIOS. It is a good idea to consider booting without USB in that case, but of course you could also read the JEMMEX documentation: Maybe excluding some UMB area or activating some compatibility options for JEMMEX helps. For example, there may be problems with DMA I/O or protected mode BIOS. The easy solution is: Do not load JEMMEX when booting from USB. Jerome: Please check if it is possible to not load JEMMEX during the install, but load it only after installation. Might be safer and I guess you do not really need UMB during install :-) Regards, Eric PS: I guess the following is obsolete now? It does boot, as long as you disable JEMMEX, if I understand correctly. > freedos1.3 rc 3, full USB, full installation, > doesn't boot with USB, a next email will showcase it ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] sorry
well my speed to slow , well having a USB plugged in it stuckes at jemmex thing with version , but booting it without USB , works fine , this is an issue to fix ,___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] usb problem
freedos1.3 rc 3, full USB , full installation, doesn't boot with USB , a next email will showcase it___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS wireless network and modern audio
I think I will use plain dos , rather than full install , but does it include fdimples ? Original Message On Jun 11, 2020, 9:30 PM, Eric Auer wrote: > Hi! Maybe MPXPLAY is missing from the distro (but why?). The > DOS version and for comparison Windows version are both here: > > http://mpxplay.sourceforge.net/ > >> what the hell, even with the hashes correct. >> unable to install games/bolitaure package a >> reboot may help, let try rebooting > > I have to guess, but you say that using the normal installer, > fdpkg, fdnpkg or fdimples, with FreeDOS 1.3 RC3, or maybe an > older version (try newer versions!) you have a problem to get > BOLITAIRE installed? Unable to install is a very un-exact error > message, does it say anything else? You can use the ZIP here: > > http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/1.2/repos/games/bolitare.zip > > Eric > > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS wireless network and modern audio
Hi! Maybe MPXPLAY is missing from the distro (but why?). The DOS version and for comparison Windows version are both here: http://mpxplay.sourceforge.net/ > what the hell, even with the hashes correct. > unable to install games/bolitaure package a > reboot may help, let try rebooting I have to guess, but you say that using the normal installer, fdpkg, fdnpkg or fdimples, with FreeDOS 1.3 RC3, or maybe an older version (try newer versions!) you have a problem to get BOLITAIRE installed? Unable to install is a very un-exact error message, does it say anything else? You can use the ZIP here: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/1.2/repos/games/bolitare.zip Eric ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS wireless network and modern audio
what the hell , even with the hashes correct .vunable to install games/bolitaure package a reboot may help ,let try rebooting Original Message On Jun 11, 2020, 9:13 PM, Eric Auer wrote: > Hi Haytam, > >> sorry guys, i did not download it correctly, even my browser >> said it completed but the hash didnt match, now after re- >> downloading it does, sorry guys, > > So now the game works? Good to know :-) > >> one thing, WLAN doesnt work, even that it shows in "pcisleep l" >> as the last device, with intel, with wlan? > > That is expected, unfortunately. We have no drivers for DOS > for most WLAN hardware. You can use LAN with network cable > instead. If that is not possible, you can buy a small bridge > device which has WLAN on one end and LAN on the other end. > Maybe somebody on the mailinglist can recommend some brands? > >> also why high definition audio device doesnt work? > > That depends on what you want to do. In DOS, sound drivers are > INSIDE the games. So if you want to use an old game, you must > have an old soundcard, or play inside a simulated virtual PC: > > That can simulate an old soundcard and send the sound to your > new sound device. Free virtual PC exist for Windows, Linux, Mac, > but which software exactly you want to use (VirtualBox, VMWare, > Bochs, QEmu...) depends on what you want to do. > > The only software for DOS which can use NEW audio devices like > AC97 and HDA are NEW media players such as MPXPLAY, try that :-) > > Regards, Eric > > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS wireless network and modern audio
mpxplayer is bundled with fdimples or not ? I didn't know there is a media player with had support , Original Message On Jun 11, 2020, 9:13 PM, Eric Auer wrote: > Hi Haytam, > >> sorry guys, i did not download it correctly, even my browser >> said it completed but the hash didnt match, now after re- >> downloading it does, sorry guys, > > So now the game works? Good to know :-) > >> one thing, WLAN doesnt work, even that it shows in "pcisleep l" >> as the last device, with intel, with wlan? > > That is expected, unfortunately. We have no drivers for DOS > for most WLAN hardware. You can use LAN with network cable > instead. If that is not possible, you can buy a small bridge > device which has WLAN on one end and LAN on the other end. > Maybe somebody on the mailinglist can recommend some brands? > >> also why high definition audio device doesnt work? > > That depends on what you want to do. In DOS, sound drivers are > INSIDE the games. So if you want to use an old game, you must > have an old soundcard, or play inside a simulated virtual PC: > > That can simulate an old soundcard and send the sound to your > new sound device. Free virtual PC exist for Windows, Linux, Mac, > but which software exactly you want to use (VirtualBox, VMWare, > Bochs, QEmu...) depends on what you want to do. > > The only software for DOS which can use NEW audio devices like > AC97 and HDA are NEW media players such as MPXPLAY, try that :-) > > Regards, Eric > > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] FreeDOS wireless network and modern audio
Hi Haytam, > sorry guys, i did not download it correctly, even my browser > said it completed but the hash didnt match, now after re- > downloading it does, sorry guys, So now the game works? Good to know :-) > one thing, WLAN doesnt work, even that it shows in "pcisleep l" > as the last device, with intel, with wlan? That is expected, unfortunately. We have no drivers for DOS for most WLAN hardware. You can use LAN with network cable instead. If that is not possible, you can buy a small bridge device which has WLAN on one end and LAN on the other end. Maybe somebody on the mailinglist can recommend some brands? > also why high definition audio device doesnt work? That depends on what you want to do. In DOS, sound drivers are INSIDE the games. So if you want to use an old game, you must have an old soundcard, or play inside a simulated virtual PC: That can simulate an old soundcard and send the sound to your new sound device. Free virtual PC exist for Windows, Linux, Mac, but which software exactly you want to use (VirtualBox, VMWare, Bochs, QEmu...) depends on what you want to do. The only software for DOS which can use NEW audio devices like AC97 and HDA are NEW media players such as MPXPLAY, try that :-) Regards, Eric ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] (No Subject) - FreeDOS install problem Haytam
hey friend , sorry I did not download completely , redownloaded it and the problem fixed , I still have some issues , I found in freedos 1.2: using command pcisleep list shows my wlan device by Intel with an ? and my high definition audio device doesn't work , PS speaker works! sorry for grammar, I am using an dell latitude e6400 , Original Message On Jun 11, 2020, 9:06 PM, Eric Auer wrote: > Hi! My idea was that Haytam can write a more verbose description > when he can use the language he likes most. Unfortunately, this > text (saying he is using Rufus etc.) is not really long either? > More verbose please! Longer problem description & details please! > > Regards, Eric > >> سلام عليكم ، انا الان احاول اعادة تحميل ، قد اكون لم احملها كاملا ، انا >> استخدم برنامج rufus . > > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] (No Subject) - FreeDOS install problem Haytam
Hi! My idea was that Haytam can write a more verbose description when he can use the language he likes most. Unfortunately, this text (saying he is using Rufus etc.) is not really long either? More verbose please! Longer problem description & details please! Regards, Eric > سلام عليكم ، انا الان احاول اعادة تحميل ، قد اكون لم احملها كاملا ، انا > استخدم برنامج rufus . ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] (No Subject)
sorry guys , i did not download it correctly , even my browser said it completed but the hash didnt match , now after re downloading it does , sorry guys, one thing , WLAN doesnt work , even that it shows in "pcisleep l" it the last device , with intel , with wlan? , i tried installing fdnet ,but it didnt , and also why high definitino auido device doesnt work? ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Thursday, June 11, 2020 9:57 PM, haytam.fr--- via Freedos-user wrote: > سلام عليكم ، انا الان احاول اعادة تحميل ، قد اكون لم احملها كاملا ، انا > استخدم برنامج rufus .___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] (No Subject)
On 6/11/2020 12:57 PM, haytam.fr--- via Freedos-user wrote: سلام عليكم ، انا الان احاول اعادة تحميل ، قد اكون لم احملها كاملا ، انا استخدم برنامج rufus . Und 'en Ei vm Konsum... Really? -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] (No Subject)
سلام عليكم ، انا الان احاول اعادة تحميل ، قد اكون لم احملها كاملا ، انا استخدم برنامج rufus .___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Something about freedos
yeha 1.3 Original Message On Jun 11, 2020, 8:27 PM, haytam.fr--- via Freedos-user wrote: > same error, > I don't remember the name of game , > I mean this not thus > > Original Message > On Jun 11, 2020, 7:49 PM, Eric Auer wrote: > >> Bonsoir Haytam, >> >>> i tried to install freedos 1.2 rc-3 on real hw, >> >> You mean 1.3 RC3 I hope? >> >>> full installation, >> >> Have you tried a basic installation, for comparison? >> >>> encountered thus problem, it >> >> It? >> >>> has said that it cannot install a game, >> >> Which game exactly? >> >>> that starts with he, some like that, >> >> He? Please be specific about the error message. >> >>> and it says that a reboot would fix the issue but it didn't >> >> A reboot would fix which issue? What happened after the reboot? >> >> Regards, Eric >> >> ___ >> Freedos-user mailing list >> Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Something about freedos
same error, I don't remember the name of game , I mean this not thus Original Message On Jun 11, 2020, 7:49 PM, Eric Auer wrote: > Bonsoir Haytam, > >> i tried to install freedos 1.2 rc-3 on real hw, > > You mean 1.3 RC3 I hope? > >> full installation, > > Have you tried a basic installation, for comparison? > >> encountered thus problem, it > > It? > >> has said that it cannot install a game, > > Which game exactly? > >> that starts with he, some like that, > > He? Please be specific about the error message. > >> and it says that a reboot would fix the issue but it didn't > > A reboot would fix which issue? What happened after the reboot? > > Regards, Eric > > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Something about freedos
> On Jun 11, 2020, at 2:13 PM, haytam.fr--- via Freedos-user > wrote: > > i am new here > i tried to install freedos 1.2 rc-3 on real hw, > full installation, > encountered thus problem , it has said that it cannot install a game , that > starts with he , some like that , and it says that a reboot would fix the > issue but it didn't Unless there was a translation issue to French, the installer says “a reboot MAY help” not “a reboot will help”. Because the installer has no idea how to remedy the problem, it provides the suggestion to reboot is a last resort in the hope that maybe it was a one time problem. It is extremely rare and unlikely that a reboot will actual solve the problem. Do you mean 1.2 RC-3, 1.2-Final or 1.3 RC-3? What install media (small USB, big USB, LegacyCD, Regular CD, LiveCD) and method (Boot from CD, USB, Floppy)? Fresh install or Upgrading? Since you get all the way to installing one of the games and are past the initial packages, I assume you are having 1 of 4 problems. 1) An existing file is conflicting with the package install. 2) insufficient free hard disk space 3) bad sector on hard disk 4) corrupt download (or cd burn) of install media. > > > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Something about freedos
Bonsoir Haytam, > i tried to install freedos 1.2 rc-3 on real hw, You mean 1.3 RC3 I hope? > full installation, Have you tried a basic installation, for comparison? > encountered thus problem, it It? > has said that it cannot install a game, Which game exactly? > that starts with he, some like that, He? Please be specific about the error message. > and it says that a reboot would fix the issue but it didn't A reboot would fix which issue? What happened after the reboot? Regards, Eric ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Something about freedos
i am new here i tried to install freedos 1.2 rc-3 on real hw, full installation, encountered thus problem , it has said that it cannot install a game , that starts with he , some like that , and it says that a reboot would fix the issue but it didn't___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Microsoft Open-Sources GW-BASIC
Hi,
On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 10:54 AM dmccunney wrote:
>
> On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 9:37 PM Rugxulo wrote:
> >
> > Make is a fairly useful util and a great idea, but it's also a
> > portability nightmare (isn't everything?). So it's hard to do anything
> > perfectly.
>
> I have unfond memories of trying to build stuff with make, and
> discovering that the make I was using required *tabs* as separators in
> some areas, and would fail if spaces were used instead. (Editors I use
> tend to convert tabs to spaces.)
That depends on your text editor: some are more obvious than others
(e.g. Mined or TDE).
You can also preprocess your makefiles before using them (e.g. JED).
> I don't recall that particular requirement being *documented* anywhere,
> and since tabs are non-printing chars you have to jump through various hoops
> to
> explicitly display, looking at the makefile was no help, because you
> would see blank spaces and not realize they were generated by tabs
> instead of space chars.
Most "modern" Makes can avoid tabs entirely: GNU Make (since 3.82),
Dmake, Wmake, TC++ Make, etc.
It's only confusing due to naivete or lack of documentation or
examples. It's easy to get lost in a sea of features and
incompatibilities (among other problems).
> But make can be considered a language, and folks have done stuff in
> make that has nothing to do with building code.
You mean like all the GNU Make extensions? I wouldn't quite call it a
"language" proper, but it does have many extras. It's somewhat useful
but also still problematic.
There are no easy solutions to many problems, or at least "good"
solutions aren't obvious for the first thousand revisions. Thankfully,
some tools help more than they hurt.
Some programming languages don't need outside build tools at all (or
only rarely). But even that varies with implementation. Free Pascal
(like Turbo) does use Makefiles sometimes, but normally it
automatically finds all unit dependencies ("-m" only makes what's
needed else "-b" to rebuild entirely from scratch).
> > GNU only recommends these utilities:
> >
> > *
> > https://www.gnu.org/software/make/manual/html_node/Utilities-in-Makefiles.html
>
> And for good reason. Make may be portable. The code you build using
> it may not be, and architectural differences in the targets can bite.
> "Make relies on the following tools. Make sure versions of them are
> available on the system where you are building" is sound advice. So
> is advice like "Don't create symlinks in make, because they may not be
> available on the target of your build."
That is advised but not mandated. Mostly, you don't want to cut off
contributors just because their host OS is different than yours.
However, time is scarce, motivation is low, so most projects aren't
that portable, even when they could be. "Linux or Windows" seems bare
minimum, and even that is spotty or sometimes avoided.
> C++ has come a *long* way. Bjarne Sjoustroup created it while at
> AT AT Unix's first C++ compiler was cfront. Cfront was a front
> end that parsed your c++ code and converted it to standard C, which
> could be compiled by cc to asm, assembled by as, and linked by ld to
> create an executable. I asked about that at a talk Sjoustroup gave at
> a Unix users group meeting.
C++ had to abandon that approach for exceptions, IIRC. (Many good
ideas from C++ were later incorporated into "standard" C.)
> He said that people had been wishing for years for a truly portable
> assembly language, and they finally realized that's essentially what C
> was. C was designed to be portable, and efficient enough that you
> didn't have to write in assembler to get performance. Unix was
> originally written in the MACRO-11 assembly language provided by DEC
> in the system used to originally develop Unix. When C became mature
> enough, most of Unix was rewritten in it. If memory serves, perhaps
> 10% of the really low level code that talked to the hardware remained
> in assembler.
Fortran predates C and was intended to be easier to read/write while
also being as efficient as (non-portable) assembly. Even Algol (etc.)
was meant to be a readable but portable HLL (international algorithmic
language).
But portability is hard, and C has many problems (by default),
especially to those who are inexperienced. It's not that it's
impossible or totally broken, just confusing and not obvious. It's
*very* easy to write code that doesn't work on other cpu architectures
or even compiler-specific (won't work with others). Not that other
languages aren't horribly bad about it, too (TP7 DOS 16-bit specific
code, ugh).
> AT implemented the original C++ as a parser converting to standard C
> because the hardware to support a native C++ compiler wasn't generally
> available. As more powerful hardware became available, true C++
> compilers appeared.
I believe Walter Bright wrote the first native C++ compiler. But
talking about AT 2.0 "pre-standard" from 1990 versus "ISO standard"
