Re: [Freedos-user] problem with freedos help on fdos.org website

2020-10-01 Thread Mateusz Viste

On 01/10/2020 14:14, Jerome Shidel wrote:

However, he was not working on the code portion of HELP. He has only been 
working on the documentation. I think he has been looking for someone to assist 
him to make updates
to the program and resolve some bugs.

It has been a little while since I’ve heard from him and I don’t know the 
current state of his efforts.


He contacted me a couple of weeks ago - apparently still in search for a 
volunteer to fix a few issues in the FreeDOS help system. The current 
version exhibits bugs with some help articles, displaying garbage or 
even crashing when browsing links.


I'm sure he'd be happy to provide details, if only someone would be 
willing to look at it.


Mateusz


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Re: [Freedos-user] problem with freedos help on fdos.org website

2020-10-01 Thread Jerome Shidel
Hi Eric,

Fritz Mueller has been working on updating the HELP files for the upcoming 1.3 
release.

If things in the HELP documentation are missing, outdated or just wrong please 
try to let him know. Hopefully, that will give him the opportunity to make any 
needed changes. 

However, he was not working on the code portion of HELP. He has only been 
working on the documentation. I think he has been looking for someone to assist 
him to make updates
to the program and resolve some bugs. 

It has been a little while since I’ve heard from him and I don’t know the 
current state of his efforts. 

Jerome. 



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[Freedos-user] Modern add-ons for ancient PC

2020-10-01 Thread Eric Auer


Hi! Mentioned in a video mentioned by Rugxulo on BTTR,
I noticed that there is a shop where you can get some
circuit boards to do-it-yourself 8-bit ISA extension
cards for your ancient computers for features such as
more RAM, IDE or Compact Flash interfaces or even USB
interfaces which are bootable. Interesting technical
detail: They use EEPROMS which you can program without
using a programmer, just with magic write sequences.

Has anybody tried any of those products? Are they okay
for the task at hand? Note that the shop usually has
only the PCB, not the pre-built devices, so you have
to get the components elsewhere and solder yourself in
most cases. They also have a few ready to use products.

https://www.lo-tech.co.uk/product-category/retro-ibm-pc/

Cheers, Eric



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Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject) - ems support - updated drivers!

2020-10-01 Thread Eric Auer


Hi Leo,

when you have a standard install of FreeDOS, it will
automatically include jemm386 or jemmex, which will
have a readme in the \freedos\doc\jemm386\ directory
or maybe in your case \fdos\doc\jemm386\ directory.
The newest version is from 2020 and probably not yet
part of the default distro install. You can see on

https://github.com/Baron-von-Riedesel?tab=repositories

that there also is a newer HIMEMX version:

https://github.com/Baron-von-Riedesel/Jemm

https://github.com/Baron-von-Riedesel/HimemX

The readme is here:

https://raw.githubusercontent.com/Baron-von-Riedesel/Jemm/master/Readme.txt

There also is a HTML version. Due to the way github works,
you first have to download the HTML to open it locally:

https://raw.githubusercontent.com/Baron-von-Riedesel/Jemm/master/Html/Readme.html

Enjoy :-) Regards, Eric




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[Freedos-user] problem with freedos help on fdos.org website

2020-10-01 Thread Eric Auer


Hi!

As Louis has had to use archive.org for jemmex help:

> You can use JEMMEX to provide EMS.  Command docs are here
> (https://web.archive.org/web/20200205000957/http://help.fdos.org/en/hhstndrd/base/jemmex.htm).

I wonder WHY we only have a very generic

http://help.fdos.org/en/hhstndrd/emm386.htm

in the current htmlhelp version on the website
and no longer a document about jemmex. Could
somebody shed some light on that? Thanks :-)

Regards, Eric



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Re: [Freedos-user] Run Linux & Linux binaries on DOS

2020-10-01 Thread Louis Santillan
I've documented my process for getting doslinux working on real
hardware [0].  Not too bad.

`ftpget`, `wget`, and `httpd` applets are included [1] in busybox. I
think with a little more work, static binary versions of many apps
would work.  Shouldn't be that hard to statically build in the
networking drivers, even other drivers.  I think that many apps from
suckless [2] sbase [3], ubase[4], toybox [5], asmutils [6] should work
well too.

[0] https://sites.google.com/view/doslinux-on-real-hardware
[1] https://github.com/charliesome/doslinux/blob/master/busybox-config#L841-L994
[2] https://suckless.org/rocks/
[3] https://git.suckless.org/sbase/file/README.html
[4] https://git.suckless.org/ubase/files.html
[5] http://www.landley.net/code/toybox/status.html
[6] http://asm.sourceforge.net/asmutils.html

On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 10:50 AM Mercury Thirteen via Freedos-user
 wrote:
>
> "Does DSL allow you to, say, install apt (or another package manager), gcc, 
> make, etc.,"
>
> No.
>
>
> "or does it only allow you to run the common linux commands shown on the 
> BusyBox website?"
>
> Yes.
>
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> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
> On Tuesday, September 29, 2020 12:33 PM, Jason Pittman 
>  wrote:
>
> I know nothing about BusyBox, so I'm going to ask a dumb question. Does DSL 
> allow you to, say, install apt (or another package manager), gcc, make, etc., 
> or does it only allow you to run the common linux commands shown on the 
> BusyBox website?
>
> (And on a side note, has anyone actually gotten it to work? I'd already know 
> the answer to my question above if I could get it to do something other than 
> crash the VM when I run "dsl.com")
>
> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
> On Wednesday, September 23, 2020 11:33 AM, Jim Hall  wrote:
>
> After poking around the GitHub project, this is actually a very clever thing. 
> Looks like he's using VM86 mode (requires '386 or later CPU) to instantiate a 
> dedicated Linux kernel with BusyBox to run the Linux commands. This is not 
> bringing up a full Linux installation in a VM - this is only the kernel + 
> BusyBox. So that keeps it small.
>
> Now, what would you *do* with this? Why would you need DSL under FreeDOS? I'm 
> not sure. But it's a neat idea that is well done. Good job!
>
> On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 10:41 AM Louis Santillan  wrote:
>>
>> The author freely admits running DOS & Linux side-by-side this way is
>> a fragile coordination [0].  I doubt that redirection would work as
>> one might desire.  The recently updated ascii demo [1] shows calling
>> various DOS and Linux commands, and, shows creating a text file with
>> `dsl vi hello.txt` and then later opening that same file with `edit
>> hello.txt`.  Interestingly, the file appears written to the filesystem
>> as `HELLO.TXT`, as MS-DOS 6.22 is case insensitive (w/o a LFN driver).
>> I wonder what would happen if an LFN driver was added to the mix.
>>
>> [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24556801
>> [1] 
>> https://camo.githubusercontent.com/deb8f6b6cc59686ba91a3758daeb047fccdf05dd/68747470733a2f2f636861726c69652e73752f7265636f7264696e672d61633565396166353936613931382e676966
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 4:39 AM Eric Auer  wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Hi everybody,
>> >
>> > I would predict doslinux to be a variant of a Linux loader,
>> > so my questions here are: Can Linux safely write to the DOS
>> > partition while running? What are the limitations to return
>> > to DOS after using Linux? Is it possible to switch between
>> > DOS and Linux without having to reboot Linux each time? Are
>> > direct interactions possible, e.g. run single apps and pipe
>> > their output from Linux to DOS or from DOS to Linux?
>> >
>> > As Jim writes about modifications to make doslinux work with
>> > FreeDOS, it can probably do more than just load Linux, but I
>> > would be happy to read more about the details here on the list.
>> >
>> > Thanks :-) Eric
>> >
>> >
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