Re: [Freedos-user] the msdos 4.0 sources has some multitasking code
On Thu, 16 May 2024 at 15:27, Michał Dec via Freedos-user wrote: > > Absolutely. Think of all the yachts and summer homes they're losing by > not donating a scrap of 8086 assembly to the general public. Think of > all those poor shareholders and millionaires. Exactly. This is why I do not accept the claims of my younger and (IMHO) more gullible colleagues that MS is a different company today from how it used to be, and now it is a friend and ally of FOSS. I know for a fact that one of the major Linux vendors is entirely based on Microsoft Office 365 internally and uses it for all communications, scheduling etc. I challenged them on it and they said that they had a contract that said MS would not look at any confidential info! In writing! So it was 100% safe and secure. I told them of the companies whose IP and code MS had stolen: STAC, Central Point, and others. I told them of MS faking Win3.1 crashing on DR-DOS, for which it was found guilty in court: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AARD_code https://www.geoffchappell.com/notes/windows/archive/aard/index.htm I told them that Bill Gates personally lied to Paul Brainerd of Aldus and got Aldus to cancel its new Windows word processor -- then went back to the office and ordered WinWord as a rush job, which is why WinWord 1.x was junk. I told them of MS stealing Quicktime code for Video for Windows and having to pay Apple damages, which the marketing lizards spun as an "investment" in Apple. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco_Canyon_Company https://www.zdnet.com/article/stop-the-lies-the-day-that-microsoft-saved-apple/ No no no. That was the _old_ MS. I do not see Microsoft ever releasing Windows NT source code: NT is still in use. Win11 is NT. Ditto MS Office. If ReactOS ever reaches good compatibility with even Windows 2000 or XP, I think MS will stomp it. But it could release all versions of DOS (excluding non-MS code) and all of Windows 2, 3.x and 9x without helping anyone with cloning NT. WINE has already cloned more of the Win32 API than Win9x managed to run. It's over. Then I'd believe it a little tiny bit that MS means it when it says it loves FOSS. -- Liam Proven ~ Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk ~ gMail/gTalk/FB: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/LinkedIn: lproven ~ Skype: liamproven : (+44) 7624 277612: UK: (+44) 7939-087884 Czech [+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal]: (+420) 702-829-053 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] the msdos 4.0 sources has some multitasking code
Absolutely. Think of all the yachts and summer homes they're losing by not donating a scrap of 8086 assembly to the general public. Think of all those poor shareholders and millionaires. Michał W dniu 15.05.2024 o 22:29, Roger via Freedos-user pisze: Microsoft is not willing to go to even the minimal effort of searching its own archives for the other versions to release them, but if someone else finds the code, it will permit the release under a permissive licence. Excuse #1, there's no money being acquired for going over code for releasing as open source. Roger ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] the msdos 4.0 sources has some multitasking code
On Thu, 16 May 2024 at 10:07, tom ehlert via Freedos-user wrote: > > there is no need for Microsoft to search its own archives. > MSDOS 6.22 source leaked to the internet some 22 years ago, and a plenty of > people have it. Then MS would need to check this over, check it was correct and without Trojans etc. That at a minimum means finding its own copies and doing a file-by-file compare. That's effort and as we have discussed this is something it's unwilling to spend. > I don't understand how this would permit the "release under a permissive > licence". *If* the code was verified as unmodified MS code and _then_ *if* MS wrent to the extra work of removing all 3rd party code or obtaining clearance, it would then _and only then_ be able to relicence the resulting code. MS cannot relicense code it did not write. -- Liam Proven ~ Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk ~ gMail/gTalk/FB: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/LinkedIn: lproven ~ Skype: liamproven M: (+44) 7624 277612: UK: (+44) 7939-087884 Czech [+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal]: (+420) 702-829-053 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] the msdos 4.0 sources has some multitasking code
On Wed, 15 May 2024 at 21:31, Roger via Freedos-user wrote: > > Excuse #1, there's no money being acquired for going over code for > releasing as open source. Agreed. It is willing to release stuff it happens to find or others happen to find in order to sweeten the FOSS fanatics a bit, but it is not willing to go to any actual work in order to find things to release. Now, true, there is a difference here between DOS 4, 5 and 6. 4 contains only MS and IBM code (AFAIK). 5 is more useful as it contains memory management code to give ~620kB free base memory. 6 contains multiple pieces of code from other companies: * MEMMAKER (Helix Software) https://encyclopedia.pub/entry/31894 * Antivirus/Backup/Defrag (Central Point Software) * DoubleSpace (Vertisoft/STAC Electronics) * DriveSpace (Vertisoft) They'd either need to remove these, or trace the copyright holders and get rights from them. Much too much work! -- Liam Proven ~ Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk ~ gMail/gTalk/FB: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/LinkedIn: lproven ~ Skype: liamproven oM: (+44) 7624 277612: UK: (+44) 7939-087884 Czech [+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal]: (+420) 702-829-053 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] the msdos 4.0 sources has some multitasking code
> I think, applying Hanlon's Razor here, that this was a chance > discovery by someone else, and led to the release. Microsoft is not > willing to go to even the minimal effort of searching its own archives > for the other versions to release them, but if someone else finds the > code, it will permit the release under a permissive licence. there is no need for Microsoft to search its own archives. MSDOS 6.22 source leaked to the internet some 22 years ago, and a plenty of people have it. I don't understand how this would permit the "release under a permissive licence". Tom ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
