Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS Networking with NetWare?

[Ralf Quint]

On 7/9/2018 8:56 PM, Thomas Mueller wrote:
Newer computers will not in general be able to use Crynwr packet 
drivers, but some (I believe many) motherboards support booting by PXE 
over the Ethernet.

In that case, would it be possible to so boot FreeDOS and have Ehternet support 
from the BIOS/UEFI?

No. As there aren't any network services as standard on the BIOS level. 
The OP asked about Personal Netware, and just as the "full" netware (at 
least pre 5.x), it is using IPX(SPX) as its network protocol, not 
TCP/IP. So any packet driver is a no go to begin with...


Ralf

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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS Networking with NetWare?

[Thomas Mueller]

from Rugxulo (snippet):

> You can check the old Crynwr packet driver collection (mirrored on
> iBiblio) or a few other sites:

* 
http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/1.2/repos/pkg-html/group-net.html
* http://www.georgpotthast.de/sioux/packet.htm
* 
http://www.realtek.com/Downloads/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1=14=6=5=4=3=false#3

Newer computers will not in general be able to use Crynwr packet drivers, but 
some (I believe many) motherboards support booting by PXE over the Ethernet.

In that case, would it be possible to so boot FreeDOS and have Ehternet support 
from the BIOS/UEFI?

Tom


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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS Networking with NetWare?

[Rugxulo]

Hi,

On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 5:07 AM, Bruce Sommerset  wrote:
> Hello everyone. I'm a new user to FreeDOS.

Welcome. We are a very small but loyal group.  :-)

> I have some questions that perhaps more experienced users might be able to
> help me with. I am trying to get two computers to communicate with one
> another (Basically a small network) I have been skeptical about switching
> from MS-DOS 6.22 to FreeDOS purely for the sole purpose of getting this
> network going and perhaps be a little easier to configure.

I'm no expert (by far), but try reading the FD wiki and Ulrich Hansen's website:

* http://wiki.freedos.org/wiki/index.php/Networking_FreeDOS_complete
* https://www.lazybrowndog.net/freedos/virtualbox/?page_id=33

> My biggest problem was trying to get the drivers going for Personal Netware.
> I have two Realtek network adapters for these supposed computers. (1.
> RTL8169SC and the 2. RTL8139)

You can check the old Crynwr packet driver collection (mirrored on
iBiblio) or a few other sites:

* 
http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/1.2/repos/pkg-html/group-net.html
* http://www.georgpotthast.de/sioux/packet.htm
* 
http://www.realtek.com/Downloads/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1=14=6=5=4=3=false#3

> I just downloaded a bunch of drivers for each of them. I know they were
> being detected by Microsoft Network Client.
>
> Forgive me, but I am very new to networking for FreeDOS or DOS in general.
> I've never done anything like this before, so I'm hoping to get the proper
> guidance on how to go about this problem. It's been pretty stressful trying
> to figure this all out.
>
> I appreciate any feedback. Thanks.

Well, it's not that easy, plus DOS isn't exactly a mainstream platform
anymore. Still, we try to make do with what little we have. Don't get
your hopes up too high, but maybe you can get something going with a
little trial and error.

Oops, almost forgot to point to mTCP (and its extensive PDF doc),
which may somehow also help:

* http://www.brutman.com/mTCP/

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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS Networking with NetWare?

[Don Flowers]

PNW relies on the ODI shim. Try RTSODI for the 8139. "Most"  8169s work
with The RTEODI. . Here's the key all drivers in the PNW segment have a
NET.CFG Save one play with one. Adjust the placement of the  802.11,803.11,
Alonso look at the OEM supplied .ins file.

On Sunday, July 8, 2018, Ralf Quint  wrote:

> On 7/8/2018 3:07 AM, Bruce Sommerset wrote:
>
> Hello everyone. I'm a new user to FreeDOS.
>
> I have some questions that perhaps more experienced users might be able to
> help me with. I am trying to get two computers to communicate with one
> another (Basically a small network) I have been skeptical about switching
> from MS-DOS 6.22 to FreeDOS purely for the sole purpose of getting this
> network going and perhaps be a little easier to configure.
>
> My biggest problem was trying to get the drivers going for Personal
> Netware. I have two Realtek network adapters for these supposed computers.
> (1. RTL8169SC and the 2. RTL8139)
>
> I just downloaded a bunch of drivers for each of them. I know they were
> being detected by Microsoft Network Client.
>
> Forgive me, but I am very new to networking for FreeDOS or DOS in general.
> I've never done anything like this before, so I'm hoping to get the proper
> guidance on how to go about this problem. It's been pretty stressful trying
> to figure this all out.
>
> I appreciate any feedback. Thanks.
>
> I used to network FreeDOS with both Personal Netware as well as with my
> Netware 3.12 server.
>
> The problem, specially nowadays, is to have drivers for the network cards
> that you are using. And for any version of Netware, the drivers are
> different than the ones for the Microsoft Network client. And for most
> newer network adapters/chips, there do no longer exist Netware drivers.
>
> Ralf
>
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS Networking with NetWare?

[Ralf Quint]

On 7/8/2018 3:07 AM, Bruce Sommerset wrote:

Hello everyone. I'm a new user to FreeDOS.

I have some questions that perhaps more experienced users might be 
able to help me with. I am trying to get two computers to communicate 
with one another (Basically a small network) I have been skeptical 
about switching from MS-DOS 6.22 to FreeDOS purely for the sole 
purpose of getting this network going and perhaps be a little easier 
to configure.


My biggest problem was trying to get the drivers going for Personal 
Netware. I have two Realtek network adapters for these supposed 
computers. (1. RTL8169SC and the 2. RTL8139)


I just downloaded a bunch of drivers for each of them. I know they 
were being detected by Microsoft Network Client.


Forgive me, but I am very new to networking for FreeDOS or DOS in 
general. I've never done anything like this before, so I'm hoping to 
get the proper guidance on how to go about this problem. It's been 
pretty stressful trying to figure this all out.


I appreciate any feedback. Thanks.
I used to network FreeDOS with both Personal Netware as well as with my 
Netware 3.12 server.


The problem, specially nowadays, is to have drivers for the network 
cards that you are using. And for any version of Netware, the drivers 
are different than the ones for the Microsoft Network client. And for 
most newer network adapters/chips, there do no longer exist Netware drivers.


Ralf


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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS Networking with NetWare?

[Mateusz Viste]

On Sun, 08 Jul 2018 10:07:32 +, Bruce Sommerset wrote:
> I have some questions that perhaps more experienced users might be able
> to help me with. I am trying to get two computers to communicate with
> one another (Basically a small network) I have been skeptical about
> switching from MS-DOS 6.22 to FreeDOS purely for the sole purpose of
> getting this network going and perhaps be a little easier to configure.
> 
> My biggest problem was trying to get the drivers going for Personal
> Netware. I have two Realtek network adapters for these supposed
> computers. (1. RTL8169SC and the 2. RTL8139)

If it's only for the purpose of sharing some files (which I assume it 
is), than you may want to try EtherDFS. It would require however to set 
up a little Linux box first, that would run the server part of EtherDFS. 
Then, both DOS machines could access the files on it and run programs 
from there.

On the DOS side, EtherDFS requires only a network card with a packet 
driver.

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[Freedos-user] FreeDOS Networking with NetWare?

[Bruce Sommerset]

Hello everyone. I'm a new user to FreeDOS.

I have some questions that perhaps more experienced users might be able to help 
me with. I am trying to get two computers to communicate with one another 
(Basically a small network) I have been skeptical about switching from MS-DOS 
6.22 to FreeDOS purely for the sole purpose of getting this network going and 
perhaps be a little easier to configure.

My biggest problem was trying to get the drivers going for Personal Netware. I 
have two Realtek network adapters for these supposed computers. (1. RTL8169SC 
and the 2. RTL8139)

I just downloaded a bunch of drivers for each of them. I know they were being 
detected by Microsoft Network Client.

Forgive me, but I am very new to networking for FreeDOS or DOS in general. I've 
never done anything like this before, so I'm hoping to get the proper guidance 
on how to go about this problem. It's been pretty stressful trying to figure 
this all out.

I appreciate any feedback. Thanks.

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