[Freedos-user] Linux OSes to use as VM hosts for FreeDOS, WAS Re: HTTP_PROXY?
Another lightweight Linux distro with good VM capabilities is TinyCoreLinux. Runs entire in a RAM drive. 9MB base OS, 15MB with Xorg, FLTK, FLWM, wbar, 16MB while running in RAM with networking and wifi builtin. Qemu, VirtualBox, dosbox were all supported with packages in version 4.x (TCZs) and support hasn't seemed to have caught up yet in 5.x yet. I've personally have used qemu vbox and both worked well for emulating FreedDOS and other DOSes. There is a learning curve to using TinyCoreLinux (many concepts different from even knoppix distros) but cost savings in terms of HW are worthwhile. -L On Monday, October 7, 2013, Marco Achury wrote: Try last knoppix wich uses as default LXDE desktop I run this system sucessfully on 300 mhz processor, 164 Mb ram. Take a long time to startup but later has an usable speed, runing from CD, installing on HD will have higher speed. Marco Achury www.achury.com.ve El 07/10/2013 03:13 p.m., Louis Santillan escribió: The mini cd is also under 30mb to download. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD -L On Monday, October 7, 2013, dmccunney wrote: On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 11:24 AM, Richards, Toby toby.richa...@slo.courts.ca.gov javascript:; javascript:; wrote: If I were to find a use for FreeDOS, it would be to eventually get a Hyperterminal-like program running in OpenGEM. Laptops with serial ports are rare these days, and the ones we have are so old that even XUbuntu runs slow. Don't run Xubuntu. I went through that with an ancient notebook. Xubuntu would install and technically run, but was snail slow. Posters on the Ubuntu forums suggested the Ubuntu had a steadily advancing idea of what low end was, and that too much Gnome had crept into Xubuntu. They suggested what I did: get the minimal CD, install to get a working CLI environment, then pick and choose other things via apt-get. Lxde run on an ext4 file system is usable. And you may not want the latest Ubuntu release. I had to wipe and start over from scratch after attempting to upgrade to 13.04. It turns out the kernel in that release requires PAE support that my old machine doesn't have. But the upgrade didn't check for that till the last step of installing the kernel. The kernel install failed, the video system was hosed on reboot, and re-doing from scratch was the only real solution. -Toby __ Dennis https://plus.google.com/u/0/105128793974319004519 -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60134791iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net javascript:; javascript:; https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60134071iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net javascript:; https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60134071iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net javascript:; https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60134071iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ Freedos-user mailing list
Re: [Freedos-user] Linux OSes to use as VM hosts for FreeDOS, WAS Re: HTTP_PROXY?
Thanks all for the mini Linux replies, but I think it would be über cool to get a hyperterm running in Gem. Follow up question: does Gem run on any os other than FreeDOS? Sorry about any typos. Poking on my iPhone here while sucking nitrous at the dentist. Autocorrect tried to turn hyperterm into hypothermia. On Oct 7, 2013, at 3:48 PM, Louis Santillan lpsan...@gmail.commailto:lpsan...@gmail.com wrote: Another lightweight Linux distro with good VM capabilities is TinyCoreLinux. Runs entire in a RAM drive. 9MB base OS, 15MB with Xorg, FLTK, FLWM, wbar, 16MB while running in RAM with networking and wifi builtin. Qemu, VirtualBox, dosbox were all supported with packages in version 4.x (TCZs) and support hasn't seemed to have caught up yet in 5.x yet. I've personally have used qemu vbox and both worked well for emulating FreedDOS and other DOSes. There is a learning curve to using TinyCoreLinux (many concepts different from even knoppix distros) but cost savings in terms of HW are worthwhile. -L On Monday, October 7, 2013, Marco Achury wrote: Try last knoppix wich uses as default LXDE desktop I run this system sucessfully on 300 mhz processor, 164 Mb ram. Take a long time to startup but later has an usable speed, runing from CD, installing on HD will have higher speed. Marco Achury www.achury.com.vehttp://www.achury.com.ve El 07/10/2013 03:13 p.m., Louis Santillan escribió: The mini cd is also under 30mb to download. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD -L On Monday, October 7, 2013, dmccunney wrote: On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 11:24 AM, Richards, Toby toby.richa...@slo.courts.ca.govjavascript:; javascript:; wrote: If I were to find a use for FreeDOS, it would be to eventually get a Hyperterminal-like program running in OpenGEM. Laptops with serial ports are rare these days, and the ones we have are so old that even XUbuntu runs slow. Don't run Xubuntu. I went through that with an ancient notebook. Xubuntu would install and technically run, but was snail slow. Posters on the Ubuntu forums suggested the Ubuntu had a steadily advancing idea of what low end was, and that too much Gnome had crept into Xubuntu. They suggested what I did: get the minimal CD, install to get a working CLI environment, then pick and choose other things via apt-get. Lxde run on an ext4 file system is usable. And you may not want the latest Ubuntu release. I had to wipe and start over from scratch after attempting to upgrade to 13.04. It turns out the kernel in that release requires PAE support that my old machine doesn't have. But the upgrade didn't check for that till the last step of installing the kernel. The kernel install failed, the video system was hosed on reboot, and re-doing from scratch was the only real solution. -Toby __ Dennis https://plus.google.com/u/0/105128793974319004519 -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60134791iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.netjavascript:; javascript:; https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60134071iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.netjavascript:; https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60134071iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.netjavascript:; https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel
Re: [Freedos-user] Linux OSes to use as VM hosts for FreeDOS, WAS Re: HTTP_PROXY?
Hi, On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Richards, Toby toby.richa...@slo.courts.ca.gov wrote: Follow up question: does Gem run on any os other than FreeDOS? Which GEM? I'm not sure it's developed or even maintained anymore. I haven't heard jack from anybody (nor Shane Coughlin) about it in recent times. (Not that I should, just saying ) Latest is probably OpenGEM, check iBiblio for latest (2006-ish, apparently): http://www.freedos.org/software/?prog=opengem http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/gui/opengem/6/ (2006, 2010) http://sourceforge.net/projects/opengem/files/opengem/OpenGEM%20SDK%203/opengem-sdk-release-3.zip/download (2008) Anyways, will it run on others? Dunno, there are way too many DOSes, and I don't have the energy or interest in testing them all! (ROM DOS, PC-DOS, PTS-DOS, EDR-DOS, DR-DOS, RDOS, etc.) The fun thing about computers is that you can never know if something will work until you try it. Even then, you might try incorrectly, or maybe it's just not (well) supported (anymore). But having said that, I'm not personally aware of any incompatibilities nor any FreeDOS-isms (bad!). But a healthy dose of skepticism is required as 100% compatibility of anything is often difficult (without lots of testing). -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60134071iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Linux OSes to use as VM hosts for FreeDOS, WAS Re: HTTP_PROXY?
I meant on Linux or some other nondos os. On Oct 7, 2013, at 4:12 PM, Rugxulo rugx...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Richards, Toby toby.richa...@slo.courts.ca.gov wrote: Follow up question: does Gem run on any os other than FreeDOS? Which GEM? I'm not sure it's developed or even maintained anymore. I haven't heard jack from anybody (nor Shane Coughlin) about it in recent times. (Not that I should, just saying ) Latest is probably OpenGEM, check iBiblio for latest (2006-ish, apparently): http://www.freedos.org/software/?prog=opengem http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/gui/opengem/6/ (2006, 2010) http://sourceforge.net/projects/opengem/files/opengem/OpenGEM%20SDK%203/opengem-sdk-release-3.zip/download (2008) Anyways, will it run on others? Dunno, there are way too many DOSes, and I don't have the energy or interest in testing them all! (ROM DOS, PC-DOS, PTS-DOS, EDR-DOS, DR-DOS, RDOS, etc.) The fun thing about computers is that you can never know if something will work until you try it. Even then, you might try incorrectly, or maybe it's just not (well) supported (anymore). But having said that, I'm not personally aware of any incompatibilities nor any FreeDOS-isms (bad!). But a healthy dose of skepticism is required as 100% compatibility of anything is often difficult (without lots of testing). -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60134071iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60134071iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Linux OSes to use as VM hosts for FreeDOS, WAS Re: HTTP_PROXY?
Hi, On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 6:19 PM, Richards, Toby toby.richa...@slo.courts.ca.gov wrote: I meant on Linux or some other nondos os. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphical_Environment_Manager#Continued_development Continued development Caldera Thin Clients (later known as Lineo) released the source to GEM under the GNU General Public License (GPL) in April 1999. The development of GEM for PC is continued as OpenGEM and FreeGEM. It also has been ported to the Atari ST again to be used in the free TOS clone EmuTOS. -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60134071iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
