Re: [Freedos-user] Retire from sending monthly reminder message
Hi everyone Based on the comments from this thread, we won't have any monthly reminder messages anymore. We will always have the list rules linked on the website (see https://www.freedos.org/forums/). I will also add a version of the "reminder" message to the automated emails for anyone who joins the email lists. Jim ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Retire from sending monthly reminder message
Hi! No, but someone might forget. Every 3 or 6 month, at the 1st day or the 1st weekend?! On Wed, Aug 24, 2022 at 7:16 PM Robert Riebisch wrote: > Hi Jim, > > > With these changes, do we need a monthly list reminder anymore? > > No. > > Cheers, > Robert > -- > BTTR Software https://www.bttr-software.de/ > DOS ain't dead https://www.bttr-software.de/forum/ > > > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Retire from sending monthly reminder message
Hi Jim, > With these changes, do we need a monthly list reminder anymore? No. Cheers, Robert -- BTTR Software https://www.bttr-software.de/ DOS ain't dead https://www.bttr-software.de/forum/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Retire from sending monthly reminder message
When I first joined mailing lists of any kind, back in the mid 1990's, monthly reminders of etiquette almost seemed too infrequent. Flame wars broke out constantly. Flame wars are still a constant on social media. My hope is that places like Twitter and Facebook provide a sufficient outlet for people to get the venom out of their system, making them more agreeable when they turn to their mailing lists. Although I've seen things get touchy a couple of times on the FreeDOS list, things seemed to get worked out quickly and without any need for intervention. I have tended to be pleased with how hospitable the FreeDOS list has been and how incredibly patient the most experienced people have been in their explanations and discussions. Eric, Liam, Jim and Dennis come to mind, but I hope the inadequacy of my memory isn't taken as a slight to anyone else. I would vote "no" for monthly reminders. On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 3:54 AM Ian Park wrote: > For what it's worth, I have a counter-example to Jim's belief: I receive a > monthly reminder for the Linux User Group mailing lists to which I > subscribe. That said, I don't mind either way whether the monthly reminders > for Freedos continue. > > Ian > > Ian Park > Email: i.d.c.p...@chalmers-park.name > Mobile: +44 (0) 7785 300290 > Sent from my Galaxy > > > Original message > From: Jim Hall > Date: 22/08/2022 21:40 (GMT+00:00) > To: "Discussion and general questions about FreeDOS." < > freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> > Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Retire from sending monthly reminder message > > I'm actually wondering if we need the automatic monthly list reminders > anymore. I was thinking about it today, and John started doing this > for us when the FreeDOS email lists were on a different email service > (the old fd-dev list, I think) and our web hosting was very different > (HTML documents only, no automation). So John's automated reminders > were an excellent solution, and I'm really glad he did that for us. > > However, things are different now. For one, we have fewer people > joining the list, so the same people are seeing the same list > reminder, month after month. Maybe a monthly reminder is too frequent. > But I think we're pretty unique these days in having a monthly > reminder; I don't think other email lists or forums or discussion > boards for other open source projects have a monthly reminder. > > Also, our current FreeDOS email lists are hosted on Sourceforge now, > and the Sourceforge list service lets the list administrator add a > custom "welcome" message to anyone who joins the email list. I can > copy the text of our list rules into that welcome message, so that > anyone who joins the email lists will get a copy of the list rules. > That seems a good thing to do, regardless. > > I can also add the full text of the list rules to our "Forums" page on > the website. We currently link to the list rules, but the rules can be > made more obvious by including the full text right next to where you'd > subscribe to the list. That seems an obvious place to put it. (I'm > working on the website redesign anyway - albeit slowly - and I can > make this part of the update.) > > With these changes, do we need a monthly list reminder anymore? > > > Jim > > > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Retire from sending monthly reminder message
For what it's worth, I have a counter-example to Jim's belief: I receive a monthly reminder for the Linux User Group mailing lists to which I subscribe. That said, I don't mind either way whether the monthly reminders for Freedos continue.IanIan ParkEmail: i.d.c.park@chalmers-park.nameMobile: +44 (0) 7785 300290Sent from my Galaxy Original message From: Jim Hall Date: 22/08/2022 21:40 (GMT+00:00) To: "Discussion and general questions about FreeDOS." Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Retire from sending monthly reminder message I'm actually wondering if we need the automatic monthly list remindersanymore. I was thinking about it today, and John started doing thisfor us when the FreeDOS email lists were on a different email service(the old fd-dev list, I think) and our web hosting was very different(HTML documents only, no automation). So John's automated reminderswere an excellent solution, and I'm really glad he did that for us.However, things are different now. For one, we have fewer peoplejoining the list, so the same people are seeing the same listreminder, month after month. Maybe a monthly reminder is too frequent.But I think we're pretty unique these days in having a monthlyreminder; I don't think other email lists or forums or discussionboards for other open source projects have a monthly reminder.Also, our current FreeDOS email lists are hosted on Sourceforge now,and the Sourceforge list service lets the list administrator add acustom "welcome" message to anyone who joins the email list. I cancopy the text of our list rules into that welcome message, so thatanyone who joins the email lists will get a copy of the list rules.That seems a good thing to do, regardless.I can also add the full text of the list rules to our "Forums" page onthe website. We currently link to the list rules, but the rules can bemade more obvious by including the full text right next to where you'dsubscribe to the list. That seems an obvious place to put it. (I'mworking on the website redesign anyway - albeit slowly - and I canmake this part of the update.)With these changes, do we need a monthly list reminder anymore?Jim___Freedos-user mailing listFreedos-user@lists.sourceforge.nethttps://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Retire from sending monthly reminder message
I vote no. Having a one-time email sent by default when folks join seems a good idea, but a monthly reminder? Overkill in my opinion. Sent with Proton Mail secure email. --- Original Message --- On Monday, August 22nd, 2022 at 4:40 PM, Jim Hall wrote: > I'm actually wondering if we need the automatic monthly list reminders > anymore. I was thinking about it today, and John started doing this > for us when the FreeDOS email lists were on a different email service > (the old fd-dev list, I think) and our web hosting was very different > (HTML documents only, no automation). So John's automated reminders > were an excellent solution, and I'm really glad he did that for us. > > However, things are different now. For one, we have fewer people > joining the list, so the same people are seeing the same list > reminder, month after month. Maybe a monthly reminder is too frequent. > But I think we're pretty unique these days in having a monthly > reminder; I don't think other email lists or forums or discussion > boards for other open source projects have a monthly reminder. > > Also, our current FreeDOS email lists are hosted on Sourceforge now, > and the Sourceforge list service lets the list administrator add a > custom "welcome" message to anyone who joins the email list. I can > copy the text of our list rules into that welcome message, so that > anyone who joins the email lists will get a copy of the list rules. > That seems a good thing to do, regardless. > > I can also add the full text of the list rules to our "Forums" page on > the website. We currently link to the list rules, but the rules can be > made more obvious by including the full text right next to where you'd > subscribe to the list. That seems an obvious place to put it. (I'm > working on the website redesign anyway - albeit slowly - and I can > make this part of the update.) > > With these changes, do we need a monthly list reminder anymore? > > > Jim > > > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Retire from sending monthly reminder message
I'm actually wondering if we need the automatic monthly list reminders anymore. I was thinking about it today, and John started doing this for us when the FreeDOS email lists were on a different email service (the old fd-dev list, I think) and our web hosting was very different (HTML documents only, no automation). So John's automated reminders were an excellent solution, and I'm really glad he did that for us. However, things are different now. For one, we have fewer people joining the list, so the same people are seeing the same list reminder, month after month. Maybe a monthly reminder is too frequent. But I think we're pretty unique these days in having a monthly reminder; I don't think other email lists or forums or discussion boards for other open source projects have a monthly reminder. Also, our current FreeDOS email lists are hosted on Sourceforge now, and the Sourceforge list service lets the list administrator add a custom "welcome" message to anyone who joins the email list. I can copy the text of our list rules into that welcome message, so that anyone who joins the email lists will get a copy of the list rules. That seems a good thing to do, regardless. I can also add the full text of the list rules to our "Forums" page on the website. We currently link to the list rules, but the rules can be made more obvious by including the full text right next to where you'd subscribe to the list. That seems an obvious place to put it. (I'm working on the website redesign anyway - albeit slowly - and I can make this part of the update.) With these changes, do we need a monthly list reminder anymore? Jim ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Retire from sending monthly reminder message
Nice script John. If Jim wants, I can run this on my softcon.com server, it won't be any trouble, and I just tested it by sending it to myself. it works just fine. Haven't tried it as a cron job yet, but I suspect that will work just fine too. Simple yet powerful piece of work there, nice work. ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Retire from sending monthly reminder message
It's been fun participaing in the FreeDOS development, but I think it's time for me to retire from the mailing lists, and also sending the monthly reminder emails. Attached is the script I use to send the reminder, run by a cron job on my Linux server. The error message (only sent if it can't download the reminder message) is in the same vain as my main website's error message at https://gcfl.net/missing.html (but much shorter). I thought it was funny at the time. Use it, or don't. I suggest that whomever wants to take this over coordinate with Jim Hall first. Last thing he (or anyone really) wants is 15-20 reminder emails a month, right? It's been fun! Remember, Don't Panic! So long, and thanks for all the fish! John Price jp_free...@gcfl.net linuxg...@gcfl.net jp31415...@gmail.com --- #!/bin/bash FROM=jp_free...@gcfl.net TO=freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net TEXT=http://freedos.sourceforge.net/freedos/lists/remind.txt cd ~/temp rm -f remind.txt errors.txt wget -O remind.txt $TEXT &> errors.txt ( echo "From: John Price <$FROM> Subject: New FreeDOSers Monthly Reminder To: FreeDOS User Mailing List <$TO> " if [ -s remind.txt ]; then cat remind.txt echo " /* This is an automated message sent out to the mailing list at the first of each month. It is automagically downloaded from $TEXT Feel free to contact John Price if necessary by replying to this message. */ "; else echo "OOPS! The remind file could not be downloaded! Here I am, brain the size of the universe, trying to send you a simple email, but wouldn't you know it, the file doesn't even exist! Where does that leave me?! I'm sure it would say something about FreeDOS, or Jim Hall, or some mailing list or other, but what do I care. *sigh* Humans." if [ -s errors.txt ]; then echo " In case you think you can fix this, here is the log: " cat errors.txt else echo " To make things worse, there was no error log produced. Good luck!" fi fi ) | /usr/sbin/sendmail -t -f$FROM --- -- If you think the problem is bad now, just wait until we've solved it. Have a great day and don't forget to laugh! http://www.gcfl.net (The Good, Clean Funnies List): Good, clean daily funnies you can safely tell your Mom! ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
