Re: [Freedos-user] Tcl for DOS update
Thanks! I didn't see the "r" in the version number. I've mirrored these to ibiblio. Since they contains diffs from original sources, I also made sure to mirror original sources too. On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 11:24 AM wrote: > > Yes the main difference is that the [exec] command works in the updated > version and there is a new revision number in the downloaded .zip archive > filename. > > On September 24, 2019 9:08:34 AM PDT, Jim Hall wrote: >> >> Are these different (i.e. updated?) from the versions mirrored already >> on ibiblio? >> http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/devel/tcl/ >> ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Tcl for DOS update
On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 9:09 AM ZB wrote: > On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 11:34:36AM -0400, Wayne Dernoncourt wrote: > > > Do you know if this includes BLT? If the above was about me, I really have no idea, why you called me like that. > > Do you really think that presently TCL has such strong presence among coders > as, for example, Python has? Nowhere near it. Languages like Java and Python are cross platform solutions that can be used to create complete apps. They compile to an intermediate tokenised form that is actually executed by the language runtime on the target system. The intermediate language is the same regardless of where it was compiled, so you can do things like compile under Windows and run the result under Linux. One application I have here is IBM's open source Eclipse programmer's IDE, written in Java. I use the *same* binary under Linux and Windows, and it looks and acts identically. TCL is a pure interpreted language, and it not compiled. You use it to create frameworks to tie together other programs that will individual parts of the full intended process. > Zbigniew __ Dennis ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Tcl for DOS update
I have a gut feeling that expect requires true multitasking and IPC, which DOS doesn't offer but it may be available in some environments like Desqview/X. Not certain. On September 24, 2019 9:14:26 AM PDT, dmccunney wrote: >On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 8:35 AM ZB wrote: >> On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 08:25:43AM -0700, Ben Collver wrote: >> >> > Tcl is a script language originally created by Dr. John Ousterhout, >who is >> > currently a Professor of Computer Science at Stanford University. >> >> Thanks! >> I'm actually somewhat amazed, how underestimated TCL/Tk nowadays is > >The "killer app" for TCL is Expect, a TCL script from Don Libes at the >US National Bureau of Standards. Expect permits automated connections >to systems that don't support that out of the box. I've used TCL and >Expect to automate file transfer between a Solaris host and a NT >Server machine, to send nightly production reports to a public facing >server where the client could see them. > >TCL is also popular among QA Engineers. It's just the thing for >building test harnesses for running automated tests against code to >insure it behaves as specified. > >TCL has been overshadowed by script languages like Java and Python, >but fills a particular niche nicely. > >> regards, >> Zbigniew >__ >Dennis > > >___ >Freedos-user mailing list >Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Tcl for DOS update
Yes the main difference is that the [exec] command works in the updated version and there is a new revision number in the downloaded .zip archive filename. On September 24, 2019 9:08:34 AM PDT, Jim Hall wrote: >Are these different (i.e. updated?) from the versions mirrored already >on ibiblio? >http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/devel/tcl/ > > >On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 10:27 AM Ben Collver >wrote: >> >> Tcl is a script language originally created by Dr. John Ousterhout, >who >> is currently a Professor of Computer Science at Stanford University. >> >> This updated build adds a rudimentary [exec] command using code from >> mstcl73. This is based on the work of Tom Poindexter, Georg >Potthast, >> and Viktor Wagner. These builds also include Ck and Sqlite. Below >are >> download links for Tcl versions 8.4.20, 8.5.19, and 8.6.9. >> >> https://archive.org/download/tcl-8.4.20-for-dos >> >> https://archive.org/download/tcl-8.5.19-for-dos >> >> https://archive.org/download/tcl-8.6.9-for-dos >> >> >> ___ >> Freedos-user mailing list >> Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > > >___ >Freedos-user mailing list >Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Tcl for DOS update
On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 09:14:26AM -0700, dmccunney wrote: > The "killer app" for TCL is Expect, a TCL script from Don Libes I'm aware of that, personally using TCL/Tk since more than 10 years. But, sadly, that 10 years ago there was _much_ more "movement" on comp.lang.tcl than today... and indeed one could see even at that time, that coders prefer "C-like" languages; TCL is just so "unusual", shall we say. It has great advantage, though (among others): it is extensible. Java isn't, Python isn't... -- regards, Zbigniew ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Tcl for DOS update
Thia does not include BLT nor Tk. Eventually i would like to include Tcl-fltk on Fltkal. On September 24, 2019 8:34:36 AM PDT, Wayne Dernoncourt wrote: >Do you know if this includes BLT? > >This clown speaks for himself > >> On Sep 24, 2019, at 11:27 AM, Ben Collver >wrote: >> >> Tcl is a script language originally created by Dr. John Ousterhout, >who is currently a Professor of Computer Science at Stanford >University. >> >> This updated build adds a rudimentary [exec] command using code from >mstcl73. This is based on the work of Tom Poindexter, Georg Potthast, >and Viktor Wagner. These builds also include Ck and Sqlite. Below are >download links for Tcl versions 8.4.20, 8.5.19, and 8.6.9. >> >> https://archive.org/download/tcl-8.4.20-for-dos >> >> https://archive.org/download/tcl-8.5.19-for-dos >> >> https://archive.org/download/tcl-8.6.9-for-dos >> >> >> ___ >> Freedos-user mailing list >> Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > > > >___ >Freedos-user mailing list >Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Tcl for DOS update
On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 8:35 AM ZB wrote: > On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 08:25:43AM -0700, Ben Collver wrote: > > > Tcl is a script language originally created by Dr. John Ousterhout, who is > > currently a Professor of Computer Science at Stanford University. > > Thanks! > I'm actually somewhat amazed, how underestimated TCL/Tk nowadays is The "killer app" for TCL is Expect, a TCL script from Don Libes at the US National Bureau of Standards. Expect permits automated connections to systems that don't support that out of the box. I've used TCL and Expect to automate file transfer between a Solaris host and a NT Server machine, to send nightly production reports to a public facing server where the client could see them. TCL is also popular among QA Engineers. It's just the thing for building test harnesses for running automated tests against code to insure it behaves as specified. TCL has been overshadowed by script languages like Java and Python, but fills a particular niche nicely. > regards, > Zbigniew __ Dennis ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Tcl for DOS update
I’ve been looking for years for a language/package that makes it simpler to generate graphs & charts. So far the best alternative I’ve found so far is MS Excel. Does Ruby or Python have graphics? This clown speaks for himself > On Sep 24, 2019, at 12:08 PM, ZB wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 11:34:36AM -0400, Wayne Dernoncourt wrote: > >> Do you know if this includes BLT? >> >> This clown speaks for himself > > If the above was about me, I really have no idea, why you called me like that. > > Do you really think that presently TCL has such strong presence among coders > as, for example, Python has? > -- > regards, > Zbigniew > > > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Tcl for DOS update
On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 11:34:36AM -0400, Wayne Dernoncourt wrote: > Do you know if this includes BLT? > > This clown speaks for himself If the above was about me, I really have no idea, why you called me like that. Do you really think that presently TCL has such strong presence among coders as, for example, Python has? -- regards, Zbigniew ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Tcl for DOS update
Are these different (i.e. updated?) from the versions mirrored already on ibiblio? http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/devel/tcl/ On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 10:27 AM Ben Collver wrote: > > Tcl is a script language originally created by Dr. John Ousterhout, who > is currently a Professor of Computer Science at Stanford University. > > This updated build adds a rudimentary [exec] command using code from > mstcl73. This is based on the work of Tom Poindexter, Georg Potthast, > and Viktor Wagner. These builds also include Ck and Sqlite. Below are > download links for Tcl versions 8.4.20, 8.5.19, and 8.6.9. > > https://archive.org/download/tcl-8.4.20-for-dos > > https://archive.org/download/tcl-8.5.19-for-dos > > https://archive.org/download/tcl-8.6.9-for-dos > > > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Tcl for DOS update
On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 08:25:43AM -0700, Ben Collver wrote: > Tcl is a script language originally created by Dr. John Ousterhout, who is > currently a Professor of Computer Science at Stanford University. Thanks! I'm actually somewhat amazed, how underestimated TCL/Tk nowadays is -- regards, Zbigniew ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Tcl for DOS update
Tcl is a script language originally created by Dr. John Ousterhout, who is currently a Professor of Computer Science at Stanford University. This updated build adds a rudimentary [exec] command using code from mstcl73. This is based on the work of Tom Poindexter, Georg Potthast, and Viktor Wagner. These builds also include Ck and Sqlite. Below are download links for Tcl versions 8.4.20, 8.5.19, and 8.6.9. https://archive.org/download/tcl-8.4.20-for-dos https://archive.org/download/tcl-8.5.19-for-dos https://archive.org/download/tcl-8.6.9-for-dos ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
