Re: [Freedos-user] Zip 750 Atapi and freedos...

2020-03-18 Thread Rugxulo
Hi,

On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 4:29 PM  wrote:
>
> As freedos is not designed to support USB, USB floppy will not work.

I have a USB floppy drive. I'm pretty sure it's handled okay by the
BIOS. But I haven't used it in recent years much.

P.S. I believe Haiku (OS), allegedly, also had support for USB floppy
drive implemented because one of their developers needed it. So you
could maybe try booting that, temporarily??


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Re: [Freedos-user] Zip 750 Atapi and freedos...

2020-03-16 Thread Eric Auer


Hi Michael,

> I propose an optional USB driver in Freedos.

I propose that you first test the already existing
free USB drivers for DOS ;-) Not with floppy or CD
but with harddisks and USB flash sticks.

http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/1.2/repos/pkg-html/usbdos.html

The classic USB driver by Bret Johnson :-)

http://www.georgpotthast.de/usb/

This driver is not free but a limited demo, so it
is basically shareware: 65 Euro for full features
for one user, site licenses are available, as are
a forum and already some USB 3 support.

Cheers, Eric



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Re: [Freedos-user] Zip 750 Atapi and freedos...

2020-03-16 Thread Ralf Quint

On 3/16/2020 2:28 PM, mich...@robinson-west.com wrote:

Doesn't work in Windows XP without Iomegaware... how about freedos?

As freedos is not designed to support USB, USB floppy will not work.

Short of getting the source code to the AMI Bios on my EVOC SBC, I'm 
not going to make a real floppy controller work...


What are the implications of creating a TSR to implement USB 1.1 on 
compatability?


Will the old guest program work with the Atapi Zip drive?
If you have a board that does  not have a standard ATAPI controller 
(which seems to be the case with your SBC), it doesn't matter what kind 
of ATAPI device you are trying to connect.
Therefor, I doubt that the IOMega guest driver will work with a 
non-standard controller...


Pretty clear on old hardware that it is getting hard to get media for 
disk drives. Most 1.44m floppies are new old stock.
If you can't use a modern pc, because it's too different, you cannot 
use the flash drives that have replaced floppies.


I propose an optional USB driver in Freedos. Start with 1.1, move to 
2.0, add 3.0, and then add 3.1. With full usb support,
any old computer that has USB will work with flash drives obviating 
the need for floppies on real hardware. Floppies have gone
away for the most part. Zip 750 was too little too late. Another 
thing, I don't know how reliable old zip drives are including the
last ones made. I don't know how long there will be support for zip 
drives, even the end of life higher capacity units.


There are some basic USB drivers for DOS, but USB is a bit more 
complicated than a lot of other hardware, and given the overall "market" 
of DOS in these days, I doubt that there will be much effort put into 
this...


Ralf




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[Freedos-user] Zip 750 Atapi and freedos...

2020-03-16 Thread michael
Doesn't work in Windows XP without Iomegaware... how about freedos?

As freedos is not designed to support USB, USB floppy will not work.

Short of getting the source code to the AMI Bios on my EVOC SBC, I'm not going 
to make a real floppy controller work...

What are the implications of creating a TSR to implement USB 1.1 on 
compatability?

Will the old guest program work with the Atapi Zip drive?

Pretty clear on old hardware that it is getting hard to get media for disk 
drives. Most 1.44m floppies are new old stock.
If you can't use a modern pc, because it's too different, you cannot use the 
flash drives that have replaced floppies.

I propose an optional USB driver in Freedos. Start with 1.1, move to 2.0, add 
3.0, and then add 3.1. With full usb support,
any old computer that has USB will work with flash drives obviating the need 
for floppies on real hardware. Floppies have gone
away for the most part. Zip 750 was too little too late. Another thing, I don't 
know how reliable old zip drives are including the
last ones made. I don't know how long there will be support for zip drives, 
even the end of life higher capacity units.
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