Re: [Freedos-user] dos ethernet drivers
As I see it, Andrea: OK, maybe I didn't express myself well; I love dos and use Dos to surf the web; I posed the problem of how difficult it's for a new users to approach dos. You use FreeDOS more than I do. Yet I'm an old-timer who used MS-DOS way back when. Especially those who have a laptop must find the exact drivers for each card in special way ethernet card and it's not so easy . Newcomers pay through the nose for the latest commercial product! Otherwise no internet. Most people who look at my Web site, view it on mobile phones! -- members.iinet.net.au/~kilgallin/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] dos ethernet drivers
Oh much better, that is a completely different expression. I do not use freedos in part for this reason. I know, after years of experience that I can trust the ms dos setup I have, and since my machines are custom built, or in the case of my laptop, custome configured, a trusted floor is critical. Nothing against freedos, but if I am not getting more than what I have, and might end up with something in conflict, I have less incentive to try. Incorporate an updated ssh dos tool? Give me a DOS browser with the ability to support some JavaScript and cookies? I would even pay for the program. I can only imagine how someone new to DOS might find the challenge. Kare On Thu, 21 Jan 2021, andrea...@tiscali.it wrote: OK, maybe I didn't express myself well; I love dos and use Dos to surf the web; I posed the problem of how difficult it's for a new users to approach dos. Especially those who have a laptop must find the exact drivers for each card in special way ethernet card and it's not so easy . Otherwise no internet. Latest releases of freedos are very good but not so friendly as to push for use of dos; that was just what I meant for my experience Il 20.01.2021 15:31 Karen Lewellen ha scritto: I am afraid I do not follow you. I use DOS exclusively, and spend several hours a day on line using DOS exclusively. Sometimes from my DOS desktop, sometimes via sshdos, but I am using nothing but DOS. hardly meaningless to me. Still, since going online is indeed a critical part of computing, why has not the freedos community worked on creating its own browser and ssh tools? On Wed, 20 Jan 2021, andrea...@tiscali.it [3]wrote: Ok, it may seem like an archaeological work to look for dos eth. driver and in fact meaningless sense since you go online with other OS, But in using dos/freedos I believe that the possibility of going online is a basic problem. And this regardless of the limitations of browsers such as links and arachne which are well known. otherwise freedos will be a limited program, at least for common users Il 20.01.2021 01:41 Karen Lewellen ha scritto: Hi Tom, I have no idea about pure freedos, but I can use the links browser for DOS in its full graphics mode to go on line in pure ms dos. speak well, and it does not seem to support cookies. sshdos to a shell service instead. Just my take, Karen On Wed, 20 Jan 2021, Thomas Mueller wrote %"> tyle="padding-left:5px; border-left:#1010ff 2px solid; margin-left:5px; width:100%"> Con Tiscali Mobile Smart 30 4G hai minuti illimitati, 100 SMS e 30 Giga in 4G a soli 8,99??? al mese. http://tisca.li/smart30 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] dos ethernet drivers
Il 20.01.2021 16:05 Frantisek Rysanek ha scritto: > On 20 Jan 2021 at 0:42, andrea...@tiscali.it [1]wrote: > >> Now I am trying to load a diver for a toshiba satellite with Marvell Yukon eth.card: I found the driver (yukodi driver) and it would seem to work, and system says it loaded odi packet driver and so on, but neither Arachne no Link go up on internet. I have a wattcp.cfg (My_ip = dhcp), as usual, but they fail. > > ...oh wait. Let's speak ugly details. > > fetpkt is likely a native packet driver with CRYNWR API. > That's what many DOS TCP/IP networking apps are using. > (Pretty much anything outside Novell and Microsoft.) > > b44.odi is a Novell ODI driver = does not provide the CRYNWR API > itself. But if you say that you're using b44.odi, you probably also > have the odipkt.com. > > Now you say that the driver Yukodi does not work for you. > Looks like another ODI driver. > Hmm... if Arachne and others look all happy, > does that mean that odipkt.com is loaded as well? > Also, AFAICT the Yukon NIC is a PCI device, so you should not be > required to tell the driver about any particular hardware resources > such as base IO address and IRQ (and possibly get them wrong). > > At my workplace, I've been using the Microsoft Network client for DOS > for ages, even on relatively modern hardware. And for most networking > cards, the vendors have kept providing updated drivers for the > Microsoft stack = those with the .DOS suffix. > And, I can see traces of information that there used to be a shim > driver called the dis_pkt.dos , to provide the CRYNWR packet driver > interface on top of a Microsoft-style networking driver stack. > Analogous to your odipkt.com which is Novell-flavoured. > Unfortunately I cannot provide you with a complete boilerplate script > and config file for the whole microsoft stack. I've had experience > with the "Hiren's boot CD" software package where the loading of the > .DOS drivers is kind of automated... > > Other than that, this is DOS... same old, same old. > No memory protection, drivers must load resident in a couple > kilobytes under 1 MB... namely the network drivers typically work but > sometimes don't... You may get different results based on what DOS > version you use, what EMS/XMS manager and its options, what CPU you > are running on, and possibly what phase of the moon it is... > I have recent unhappy experiences with DOS networking and other stuff > (general application compatibility) in virtual environments (QEMU). > This is computer archaeology. Trying to make your super-ancient OS > run on modern PC hardware. It's a miracle that it manages to boot at > all. I'm not surprised that no serious effort is wasted on trying to > create modern apps for this programming environment, such as a modern > web browser - from a programmer's perspective this is a ridiculous > proposal. > > Frank > > Thank you Frank! > > very helpful! I'm experimenting with various possibilities in the package that comes with Freedos cd; dos is also a hobby and a good mental exercise > Andrea Con Tiscali Mobile Smart 30 4G hai minuti illimitati, 100 SMS e 30 Giga in 4G a soli 8,99€ al mese. http://tisca.li/smart30 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] dos ethernet drivers
OK, maybe I didn't express myself well; I love dos and use Dos to surf the web; I posed the problem of how difficult it's for a new users to approach dos. Especially those who have a laptop must find the exact drivers for each card in special way ethernet card and it's not so easy . Otherwise no internet. Latest releases of freedos are very good but not so friendly as to push for use of dos; that was just what I meant for my experience Il 20.01.2021 15:31 Karen Lewellen ha scritto: > I am afraid I do not follow you. > I use DOS exclusively, and spend several hours a day on line using DOS > exclusively. Sometimes from my DOS desktop, sometimes via sshdos, but I > am using nothing but DOS. > hardly meaningless to me. > Still, since going online is indeed a critical part of computing, why has > not the freedos community worked on creating its own browser and ssh > tools? > > On Wed, 20 Jan 2021, andrea...@tiscali.it [3]wrote: > >> Ok, it may seem like an archaeological work to look for dos eth. driver and in fact meaningless sense since you go online with other OS, But in using dos/freedos I believe that the possibility of going online is a basic problem. And this regardless of the limitations of browsers such as links and arachne which are well known. otherwise freedos will be a limited program, at least for common users Il 20.01.2021 01:41 Karen Lewellen ha scritto: >> >>> Hi Tom, I have no idea about pure >> freedos, but I can use the links browser for DOS >> >>> in its full graphics >> mode to go on line in pure ms dos. speak well, and it does not seem to support cookies. sshdos to a shell service instead. Just my take, Karen On Wed, 20 Jan 2021, Thomas Mueller wrote >> >>> %"> >> tyle="padding-left:5px; border-left:#1010ff 2px solid; margin-left:5px; width:100%"> Con Tiscali Mobile Smart 30 4G hai minuti illimitati, 100 SMS e 30 Giga in 4G a soli 8,99€ al mese. http://tisca.li/smart30 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] dos ethernet drivers
the current home for lynx is. lynx.invisible-island.net As is standard, the dev items are the most updated, clear from dates etc. I found that by simply googling lynx browser, with Wikipedia indicating it is the oldest browser still under development. As for on line banking, something I would not personally risk given security issues, such is all the more reason that links for DOS should support cookies. It includes JavaScript after all. On Thu, 21 Jan 2021, Thomas Mueller wrote: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE I use Lynx, still updated regularly, to order at amazon.com, to reach yahoo= news, to access on line libraries. Actually to read loads of news sources. Still my computer is a tool, not a toy. I do successful google searches=20 for practically anything. Although links adds JavaScript, its lack of cookies still makes lynx the= more efficient choice, at least for me. Cannot speak to visiting 100 year old standard places, Lynx meets my=20 needs several times a day. Karen I used Lynx for online ordering long ago, on DR-DOS 7.03, which I used before FreeDOS. That Lynx was downloaded from https://www.rahul.net/dkaufman/ In those days, I used that Lynx frequently. I don't know where to get updates now unless I download and build it myself. I don't think Lynx would work for online banking, at least not on most online banking sites. Tom ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] dos ethernet drivers
> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN; format=flowed > Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE > I use Lynx, still updated regularly, to order at amazon.com, to reach yahoo= > news, to access on line libraries. > Actually to read loads of news sources. > Still my computer is a tool, not a toy. I do successful google searches=20 > for practically anything. > Although links adds JavaScript, its lack of cookies still makes lynx the= > more efficient choice, at least for me. > Cannot speak to visiting 100 year old standard places, Lynx meets my=20 > needs several times a day. > Karen I used Lynx for online ordering long ago, on DR-DOS 7.03, which I used before FreeDOS. That Lynx was downloaded from https://www.rahul.net/dkaufman/ In those days, I used that Lynx frequently. I don't know where to get updates now unless I download and build it myself. I don't think Lynx would work for online banking, at least not on most online banking sites. Tom ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] DOS ethernet drivers
I use Lynx, still updated regularly, to order at amazon.com, to reach yahoo news, to access on line libraries. Actually to read loads of news sources. Still my computer is a tool, not a toy. I do successful google searches for practically anything. Although links adds JavaScript, its lack of cookies still makes lynx the more efficient choice, at least for me. Cannot speak to visiting 100 year old standard places, Lynx meets my needs several times a day. Karen On Wed, 20 Jan 2021, Marv wrote: I find it convenient to use a text-based browser for my local (inhouse) websites, which display data from my homebrew weather station, home heating system, and various sensors. It's very easy and fast to automatically generate small text oriented html files in my microcontrollers and write them to my local network. On Wed, Jan 20, 2021 at 6:04 PM Greg Gerke via Freedos-user < freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: Well, yeah, granted - the website you're going to would have to be pretty compliant in the standards of a 100 years ago but it might at least give *something* back ;) --- gge...@pm.me ? Original Message ? On Wednesday, January 20th, 2021 at 2:59 PM, Jose Senna wrote: Greg Gerke asked: ...has anybody tried Lynx on FreeDOS ? I used it for quite a few years, but now Lynx is (almost) no good, because -No Javascript -Obsolete secure protocols -Incorrect renderizing of frames, tables -Few sites still provide pages suitable for text-mode browsers. Anyway, trying it will do no harm. Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- It's all fun and games until someone divides by zero. ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] DOS ethernet drivers
I find it convenient to use a text-based browser for my local (inhouse) websites, which display data from my homebrew weather station, home heating system, and various sensors. It's very easy and fast to automatically generate small text oriented html files in my microcontrollers and write them to my local network. On Wed, Jan 20, 2021 at 6:04 PM Greg Gerke via Freedos-user < freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: > Well, yeah, granted - the website you're going to would have to be pretty > compliant in the standards of a 100 years ago but it might at least give > *something* back ;) > > --- > gge...@pm.me > > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ > > On Wednesday, January 20th, 2021 at 2:59 PM, Jose Senna > wrote: > > > Greg Gerke asked: > > > > > ...has anybody tried Lynx on FreeDOS ? > > > > I used it for quite a few years, but > > > > now Lynx is (almost) no good, because > > > > -No Javascript > > > > -Obsolete secure protocols > > > > -Incorrect renderizing of frames, tables > > > > -Few sites still provide pages suitable for > > > > text-mode browsers. > > > > Anyway, trying it will do no harm. > > > > Freedos-user mailing list > > > > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > > > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > -- It's all fun and games until someone divides by zero. ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] DOS ethernet drivers
Well, yeah, granted - the website you're going to would have to be pretty compliant in the standards of a 100 years ago but it might at least give *something* back ;) --- gge...@pm.me ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Wednesday, January 20th, 2021 at 2:59 PM, Jose Senna wrote: > Greg Gerke asked: > > > ...has anybody tried Lynx on FreeDOS ? > > I used it for quite a few years, but > > now Lynx is (almost) no good, because > > -No Javascript > > -Obsolete secure protocols > > -Incorrect renderizing of frames, tables > > -Few sites still provide pages suitable for > > text-mode browsers. > > Anyway, trying it will do no harm. > > Freedos-user mailing list > > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] DOS ethernet drivers
Greg Gerke asked: > ...has anybody tried Lynx on FreeDOS ? I used it for quite a few years, but now Lynx is (almost) no good, because -No Javascript -Obsolete secure protocols -Incorrect renderizing of frames, tables -Few sites still provide pages suitable for text-mode browsers. Anyway, trying it will do no harm. ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] dos ethernet drivers
Apologies in advance if this is old news... but has anybody tried lynx on FreeDOS? I don't have an internet connection set up so I can't say I've given it a shot. https://lynx.browser.org/ --- gge...@pm.me ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Wednesday, January 20th, 2021 at 8:31 AM, Karen Lewellen wrote: > I am afraid I do not follow you. > > I use DOS exclusively, and spend several hours a day on line using DOS > > exclusively. Sometimes from my DOS desktop, sometimes via sshdos, but I > > am using nothing but DOS. > > hardly meaningless to me. > > Still, since going online is indeed a critical part of computing, why has > > not the freedos community worked on creating its own browser and ssh > > tools? > > On Wed, 20 Jan 2021, andrea...@tiscali.it wrote: > > > Ok, it may seem like an archaeological work to look for dos eth. > > > > driver and in fact meaningless sense since you go online with other OS, > > > > But in using dos/freedos I believe that the possibility of going online > > > > is a basic problem. And this regardless of the limitations of browsers > > > > such as links and arachne which are well known. > > > > otherwise freedos will > > > > be a limited program, at least for common users > > > > Il 20.01.2021 01:41 > > > > Karen Lewellen ha scritto: > > > > > Hi Tom, > > > > > > I have no idea about pure > > > > > > freedos, but I can use the links browser for DOS > > > > > > in its full graphics > > > > > > mode to go on line in pure ms dos. > > > > > > It is not my preference, there are > > > > > > things about the browser which do not > > > > > > speak well, and it does not > > > > > > seem to support cookies. > > > > > > Still, I have no issues doing google > > > > > > searches, or reading some local > > > > > > news sites. > > > > > > If Links for DOS > > > > > > supported Cookies I would use it more, mainly I use > > > > > > sshdos to a shell > > > > > > service instead. > > > > > > Never tried Arachnid for the same lack of speech > > > > > > issues. > > > > > > Just my take, > > > > > > Karen > > > > > > On Wed, 20 Jan 2021, Thomas Mueller > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi, I wanted to ask a question about dos ethernet driver. > > > > > > > > > > I think it's one of the most satisfying thing using dos to go online. > > > > > > > > > > You know the problem: is to find ad load the driver you need, > > > > > especially > > > > > > > > > > for laptops. Ad it's very hard. For example I still use an old Acer > > > > > > > > > > aspire 1300 ad I load the Via fetpkt ethernet driver ( thanks to > > > > > George > > > > > > > > > > Potthast driver collection) and it work fine; so another Acer with > > > > > > > > > > Broadcom B44 odi. But maybe it is luck! Now I am trying to load a > > > > > diver > > > > > > > > > > for a toshiba satellite with Marvell Yukon eth.card: I found the > > > > > driver > > > > > > > > > > (yukodi driver) and it would seem to work, and system says it loaded > > > > > odi > > > > > > > > > > packet driver and so on, but neither Arachne no Link go up on > > > > > internet. > > > > > > > > > > I have a wattcp.cfg (My_ip = dhcp), as usual, but they fail. ( The > > > > > > > > > > laptop is good and goes up on internet with Slacko/puppy - I've > > > > > > > > > > partitioned HD). Any ideas? Or you think it's now too tiring and > > > > > useless > > > > > > > > > > to go online with dos? (I use pure freedos 1.2 and 1.3.) Thanks for > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > interest. > > > > > > > > Con Tiscali Mobile Smart 30 4G hai minuti illimitati, > > > > > > > > > > 100 SMS e 30 Giga in 4G a soli 8,99⬠al mese. > > > > > http://tisca.li/smart30 > > > > > > > > > > [1] > > > > > > > I remember seeing Glenn McCorkle's latest Arachne update on > > > > > > > > www.glennmcc.org [2] in March 2013 but never downloaded it because I > > > > > > > > woudn't have been able to use it. I have never been online with present > > > > > > > > computer using FreeDOS, haven't tried any other DOS; now online with > > > > > > > > NetBSD. Here is what NetBSD says about my Ethernet, from > > > > > > > > /var/run/dmesg.boot : re0 at pci2 dev 0 function 0: RealTek 8168/8111 > > > > > > > > PCIe Gigabit Ethernet (rev. 0x06) re0: interrupting at msix2 vec 0 re0: > > > > > > > > Ethernet address d4:3d:7e:97:17:e2 re0: using 256 tx descriptors So I > > > > > > > > use FreeDOS very infrequently. I wonder if there is any way I could go > > > > > > > > online with FreeDOS using PXE boot. I would be very limited in what I > > > > > > > > could do online with FreeDOS, but it would be nice to prove it can be > > > > > > > > done. Tom > > > > Con Tiscali Mobile Smart 30 4G hai minuti illimitati, 100 SMS e 30 Giga in > > 4G a soli 8,99€ al mese. http://tisca.li/smart30 > > Freedos-user mailing list > > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list
Re: [Freedos-user] dos ethernet drivers
On 20 Jan 2021 at 0:42, andrea...@tiscali.it wrote: > Now I am trying to load a diver for a toshiba satellite with > Marvell Yukon eth.card: I found the driver (yukodi driver) > and it would seem to work, and system says it loaded > odi packet driver and so on, but neither Arachne no Link go up on > internet. I have a wattcp.cfg (My_ip = dhcp), as usual, > but they fail. ...oh wait. Let's speak ugly details. fetpkt is likely a native packet driver with CRYNWR API. That's what many DOS TCP/IP networking apps are using. (Pretty much anything outside Novell and Microsoft.) b44.odi is a Novell ODI driver = does not provide the CRYNWR API itself. But if you say that you're using b44.odi, you probably also have the odipkt.com. Now you say that the driver Yukodi does not work for you. Looks like another ODI driver. Hmm... if Arachne and others look all happy, does that mean that odipkt.com is loaded as well? Also, AFAICT the Yukon NIC is a PCI device, so you should not be required to tell the driver about any particular hardware resources such as base IO address and IRQ (and possibly get them wrong). At my workplace, I've been using the Microsoft Network client for DOS for ages, even on relatively modern hardware. And for most networking cards, the vendors have kept providing updated drivers for the Microsoft stack = those with the .DOS suffix. And, I can see traces of information that there used to be a shim driver called the dis_pkt.dos , to provide the CRYNWR packet driver interface on top of a Microsoft-style networking driver stack. Analogous to your odipkt.com which is Novell-flavoured. Unfortunately I cannot provide you with a complete boilerplate script and config file for the whole microsoft stack. I've had experience with the "Hiren's boot CD" software package where the loading of the .DOS drivers is kind of automated... Other than that, this is DOS... same old, same old. No memory protection, drivers must load resident in a couple kilobytes under 1 MB... namely the network drivers typically work but sometimes don't... You may get different results based on what DOS version you use, what EMS/XMS manager and its options, what CPU you are running on, and possibly what phase of the moon it is... I have recent unhappy experiences with DOS networking and other stuff (general application compatibility) in virtual environments (QEMU). This is computer archaeology. Trying to make your super-ancient OS run on modern PC hardware. It's a miracle that it manages to boot at all. I'm not surprised that no serious effort is wasted on trying to create modern apps for this programming environment, such as a modern web browser - from a programmer's perspective this is a ridiculous proposal. Frank ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] dos ethernet drivers
I am afraid I do not follow you. I use DOS exclusively, and spend several hours a day on line using DOS exclusively. Sometimes from my DOS desktop, sometimes via sshdos, but I am using nothing but DOS. hardly meaningless to me. Still, since going online is indeed a critical part of computing, why has not the freedos community worked on creating its own browser and ssh tools? On Wed, 20 Jan 2021, andrea...@tiscali.it wrote: Ok, it may seem like an archaeological work to look for dos eth. driver and in fact meaningless sense since you go online with other OS, But in using dos/freedos I believe that the possibility of going online is a basic problem. And this regardless of the limitations of browsers such as links and arachne which are well known. otherwise freedos will be a limited program, at least for common users Il 20.01.2021 01:41 Karen Lewellen ha scritto: Hi Tom, I have no idea about pure freedos, but I can use the links browser for DOS in its full graphics mode to go on line in pure ms dos. It is not my preference, there are things about the browser which do not speak well, and it does not seem to support cookies. Still, I have no issues doing google searches, or reading some local news sites. If Links for DOS supported Cookies I would use it more, mainly I use sshdos to a shell service instead. Never tried Arachnid for the same lack of speech issues. Just my take, Karen On Wed, 20 Jan 2021, Thomas Mueller wrote: Hi, I wanted to ask a question about dos ethernet driver. I think it's one of the most satisfying thing using dos to go online. You know the problem: is to find ad load the driver you need, especially for laptops. Ad it's very hard. For example I still use an old Acer aspire 1300 ad I load the Via fetpkt ethernet driver ( thanks to George Potthast driver collection) and it work fine; so another Acer with Broadcom B44 odi. But maybe it is luck! Now I am trying to load a diver for a toshiba satellite with Marvell Yukon eth.card: I found the driver (yukodi driver) and it would seem to work, and system says it loaded odi packet driver and so on, but neither Arachne no Link go up on internet. I have a wattcp.cfg (My_ip = dhcp), as usual, but they fail. ( The laptop is good and goes up on internet with Slacko/puppy - I've partitioned HD). Any ideas? Or you think it's now too tiring and useless to go online with dos? (I use pure freedos 1.2 and 1.3.) Thanks for your interest. Con Tiscali Mobile Smart 30 4G hai minuti illimitati, 100 SMS e 30 Giga in 4G a soli 8,99?? al mese. http://tisca.li/smart30 [1] I remember seeing Glenn McCorkle's latest Arachne update on www.glennmcc.org [2] in March 2013 but never downloaded it because I woudn't have been able to use it. I have never been online with present computer using FreeDOS, haven't tried any other DOS; now online with NetBSD. Here is what NetBSD says about my Ethernet, from /var/run/dmesg.boot : re0 at pci2 dev 0 function 0: RealTek 8168/8111 PCIe Gigabit Ethernet (rev. 0x06) re0: interrupting at msix2 vec 0 re0: Ethernet address d4:3d:7e:97:17:e2 re0: using 256 tx descriptors So I use FreeDOS very infrequently. I wonder if there is any way I could go online with FreeDOS using PXE boot. I would be very limited in what I could do online with FreeDOS, but it would be nice to prove it can be done. Tom Con Tiscali Mobile Smart 30 4G hai minuti illimitati, 100 SMS e 30 Giga in 4G a soli 8,99??? al mese. http://tisca.li/smart30 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] dos ethernet drivers
Ok, it may seem like an archaeological work to look for dos eth. driver and in fact meaningless sense since you go online with other OS, But in using dos/freedos I believe that the possibility of going online is a basic problem. And this regardless of the limitations of browsers such as links and arachne which are well known. otherwise freedos will be a limited program, at least for common users Il 20.01.2021 01:41 Karen Lewellen ha scritto: > Hi Tom, > I have no idea about pure freedos, but I can use the links browser for DOS > in its full graphics mode to go on line in pure ms dos. > It is not my preference, there are things about the browser which do not > speak well, and it does not seem to support cookies. > Still, I have no issues doing google searches, or reading some local > news sites. > If Links for DOS supported Cookies I would use it more, mainly I use > sshdos to a shell service instead. > Never tried Arachnid for the same lack of speech issues. > Just my take, > Karen > > On Wed, 20 Jan 2021, Thomas Mueller wrote: > >>> Hi, I wanted to ask a question about dos ethernet driver. I think it's one of the most satisfying thing using dos to go online. You know the problem: is to find ad load the driver you need, especially for laptops. Ad it's very hard. For example I still use an old Acer aspire 1300 ad I load the Via fetpkt ethernet driver ( thanks to George Potthast driver collection) and it work fine; so another Acer with Broadcom B44 odi. But maybe it is luck! Now I am trying to load a diver for a toshiba satellite with Marvell Yukon eth.card: I found the driver (yukodi driver) and it would seem to work, and system says it loaded odi packet driver and so on, but neither Arachne no Link go up on internet. I have a wattcp.cfg (My_ip = dhcp), as usual, but they fail. ( The laptop is good and goes up on internet with Slacko/puppy - I've partitioned HD). Any ideas? Or you think it's now too tiring and useless to go online with dos? (I use pure freedos 1.2 and 1.3.) Thanks for your interest. >> >>> Con Tiscali Mobile Smart 30 4G hai minuti illimitati, 100 SMS e 30 Giga in 4G a soli 8,99⬠al mese. http://tisca.li/smart30 [1] >> I remember seeing Glenn McCorkle's latest Arachne update on www.glennmcc.org [2] in March 2013 but never downloaded it because I woudn't have been able to use it. I have never been online with present computer using FreeDOS, haven't tried any other DOS; now online with NetBSD. Here is what NetBSD says about my Ethernet, from /var/run/dmesg.boot : re0 at pci2 dev 0 function 0: RealTek 8168/8111 PCIe Gigabit Ethernet (rev. 0x06) re0: interrupting at msix2 vec 0 re0: Ethernet address d4:3d:7e:97:17:e2 re0: using 256 tx descriptors So I use FreeDOS very infrequently. I wonder if there is any way I could go online with FreeDOS using PXE boot. I would be very limited in what I could do online with FreeDOS, but it would be nice to prove it can be done. Tom Con Tiscali Mobile Smart 30 4G hai minuti illimitati, 100 SMS e 30 Giga in 4G a soli 8,99€ al mese. http://tisca.li/smart30 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] dos ethernet drivers
Il 20.01.2021 01:20 Thomas Mueller ha scritto: >> Hi, I wanted to ask a question about dos ethernet driver. I think it's one of the most satisfying thing using dos to go online. You know the problem: is to find ad load the driver you need, especially for laptops. Ad it's very hard. For example I still use an old Acer aspire 1300 ad I load the Via fetpkt ethernet driver ( thanks to George Potthast driver collection) and it work fine; so another Acer with Broadcom B44 odi. But maybe it is luck! Now I am trying to load a diver for a toshiba satellite with Marvell Yukon eth.card: I found the driver (yukodi driver) and it would seem to work, and system says it loaded odi packet driver and so on, but neither Arachne no Link go up on internet. I have a wattcp.cfg (My_ip = dhcp), as usual, but they fail. ( The laptop is good and goes up on internet with Slacko/puppy - I've partitioned HD). Any ideas? Or you think it's now too tiring and useless to go online with dos? (I use pure freedos 1.2 and 1.3.) Thanks for your interest. > >> Con Tiscali Mobile Smart 30 4G hai minuti illimitati, 100 SMS e 30 Giga in 4G a soli 8,99€ al mese. http://tisca.li/smart30 [1] > > I remember seeing Glenn McCorkle's latest Arachne update on www.glennmcc.org [2] in March 2013 but never downloaded it because I woudn't have been able to use it. > > I have never been online with present computer using FreeDOS, haven't tried any other DOS; now online with NetBSD. > > Here is what NetBSD says about my Ethernet, from /var/run/dmesg.boot : > > re0 at pci2 dev 0 function 0: RealTek 8168/8111 PCIe Gigabit Ethernet (rev. 0x06) > re0: interrupting at msix2 vec 0 > re0: Ethernet address d4:3d:7e:97:17:e2 > re0: using 256 tx descriptors > > So I use FreeDOS very infrequently. > > I wonder if there is any way I could go online with FreeDOS using PXE boot. > > I would be very limited in what I could do online with FreeDOS, but it would be nice to prove it can be done. > > Tom > > Thank!, I take advantage of your data on realtek eth. pci card. I've too a Toshiba laptop with a realTek card and I'll probe an ethernet driver that looks good with LSM and so on. I'll let you kow. Con Tiscali Mobile Smart 30 4G hai minuti illimitati, 100 SMS e 30 Giga in 4G a soli 8,99€ al mese. http://tisca.li/smart30 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] dos ethernet drivers
Hi Tom, I have no idea about pure freedos, but I can use the links browser for DOS in its full graphics mode to go on line in pure ms dos. It is not my preference, there are things about the browser which do not speak well, and it does not seem to support cookies. Still, I have no issues doing google searches, or reading some local news sites. If Links for DOS supported Cookies I would use it more, mainly I use sshdos to a shell service instead. Never tried Arachnid for the same lack of speech issues. Just my take, Karen On Wed, 20 Jan 2021, Thomas Mueller wrote: Hi, I wanted to ask a question about dos ethernet driver. I think it's one of the most satisfying thing using dos to go online. You know the problem: is to find ad load the driver you need, especially for laptops. Ad it's very hard. For example I still use an old Acer aspire 1300 ad I load the Via fetpkt ethernet driver ( thanks to George Potthast driver collection) and it work fine; so another Acer with Broadcom B44 odi. But maybe it is luck! Now I am trying to load a diver for a toshiba satellite with Marvell Yukon eth.card: I found the driver (yukodi driver) and it would seem to work, and system says it loaded odi packet driver and so on, but neither Arachne no Link go up on internet. I have a wattcp.cfg (My_ip = dhcp), as usual, but they fail. ( The laptop is good and goes up on internet with Slacko/puppy - I've partitioned HD). Any ideas? Or you think it's now too tiring and useless to go online with dos? (I use pure freedos 1.2 and 1.3.) Thanks for your interest. Con Tiscali Mobile Smart 30 4G hai minuti illimitati, 100 SMS e 30 Giga in 4G a soli 8,99??? al mese. http://tisca.li/smart30 I remember seeing Glenn McCorkle's latest Arachne update on www.glennmcc.org in March 2013 but never downloaded it because I woudn't have been able to use it. I have never been online with present computer using FreeDOS, haven't tried any other DOS; now online with NetBSD. Here is what NetBSD says about my Ethernet, from /var/run/dmesg.boot : re0 at pci2 dev 0 function 0: RealTek 8168/8111 PCIe Gigabit Ethernet (rev. 0x06) re0: interrupting at msix2 vec 0 re0: Ethernet address d4:3d:7e:97:17:e2 re0: using 256 tx descriptors So I use FreeDOS very infrequently. I wonder if there is any way I could go online with FreeDOS using PXE boot. I would be very limited in what I could do online with FreeDOS, but it would be nice to prove it can be done. Tom ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] dos ethernet drivers
Well, I am on line with DOS wright now so smiles. Seriously, I resonate with the issue finding Ethernet drivers for laptops, your success is quite admirable. In the case of my desktops, I have chosen well known brands which tend to provide a variety of driver options including DOS. Again though that is a desktop. What I personally wish is that someone would do a fresh compile of sshdos incorporating new dh keys and if needful new putty tools. would pay for that personally. Karen On Wed, 20 Jan 2021, andrea...@tiscali.it wrote: Hi, I wanted to ask a question about dos ethernet driver. I think it's one of the most satisfying thing using dos to go online. You know the problem: is to find ad load the driver you need, especially for laptops. Ad it's very hard. For example I still use an old Acer aspire 1300 ad I load the Via fetpkt ethernet driver ( thanks to George Potthast driver collection) and it work fine; so another Acer with Broadcom B44 odi. But maybe it is luck! Now I am trying to load a diver for a toshiba satellite with Marvell Yukon eth.card: I found the driver (yukodi driver) and it would seem to work, and system says it loaded odi packet driver and so on, but neither Arachne no Link go up on internet. I have a wattcp.cfg (My_ip = dhcp), as usual, but they fail. ( The laptop is good and goes up on internet with Slacko/puppy - I've partitioned HD). Any ideas? Or you think it's now too tiring and useless to go online with dos? (I use pure freedos 1.2 and 1.3.) Thanks for your interest. Con Tiscali Mobile Smart 30 4G hai minuti illimitati, 100 SMS e 30 Giga in 4G a soli 8,99??? al mese. http://tisca.li/smart30 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] dos ethernet drivers
> Hi, > I wanted to ask a question about dos ethernet driver. I think > it's one of the most satisfying > thing using dos to go online. You know > the problem: is to find ad load the driver you need, > especially for > laptops. > Ad it's very hard. For example I still use an old Acer aspire > 1300 ad I load the Via fetpkt > ethernet driver ( thanks to George > Potthast driver collection) and it work fine; so another > Acer with > Broadcom B44 odi. But maybe it is luck! > Now I am trying to load a diver > for a toshiba satellite with Marvell Yukon eth.card: I found > the driver > (yukodi driver) and it would seem to work, and system says it loaded odi > packet driver and so on, but neither Arachne no Link go up on internet. > I have a wattcp.cfg (My_ip = dhcp), as usual, but they fail. > ( The > laptop is good and goes up on internet with Slacko/puppy - I've > partitioned HD). > Any ideas? Or you think it's now too tiring and > useless to go online with dos? > (I use pure freedos 1.2 and 1.3.) > Thanks > for your interest. > Con Tiscali Mobile Smart 30 4G hai minuti illimitati, 100 SMS e 30 Giga in 4G > a soli 8,99⬠al mese. http://tisca.li/smart30 I remember seeing Glenn McCorkle's latest Arachne update on www.glennmcc.org in March 2013 but never downloaded it because I woudn't have been able to use it. I have never been online with present computer using FreeDOS, haven't tried any other DOS; now online with NetBSD. Here is what NetBSD says about my Ethernet, from /var/run/dmesg.boot : re0 at pci2 dev 0 function 0: RealTek 8168/8111 PCIe Gigabit Ethernet (rev. 0x06) re0: interrupting at msix2 vec 0 re0: Ethernet address d4:3d:7e:97:17:e2 re0: using 256 tx descriptors So I use FreeDOS very infrequently. I wonder if there is any way I could go online with FreeDOS using PXE boot. I would be very limited in what I could do online with FreeDOS, but it would be nice to prove it can be done. Tom ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] dos ethernet drivers
Hi, I wanted to ask a question about dos ethernet driver. I think it's one of the most satisfying thing using dos to go online. You know the problem: is to find ad load the driver you need, especially for laptops. Ad it's very hard. For example I still use an old Acer aspire 1300 ad I load the Via fetpkt ethernet driver ( thanks to George Potthast driver collection) and it work fine; so another Acer with Broadcom B44 odi. But maybe it is luck! Now I am trying to load a diver for a toshiba satellite with Marvell Yukon eth.card: I found the driver (yukodi driver) and it would seem to work, and system says it loaded odi packet driver and so on, but neither Arachne no Link go up on internet. I have a wattcp.cfg (My_ip = dhcp), as usual, but they fail. ( The laptop is good and goes up on internet with Slacko/puppy - I've partitioned HD). Any ideas? Or you think it's now too tiring and useless to go online with dos? (I use pure freedos 1.2 and 1.3.) Thanks for your interest. Con Tiscali Mobile Smart 30 4G hai minuti illimitati, 100 SMS e 30 Giga in 4G a soli 8,99€ al mese. http://tisca.li/smart30 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
