Re: [Freedos-user] FAT Patents of Microsoft

2006-01-19 Thread Carl Spitzer
On Thu, 2006-01-12 at 20:22 -0500, ultramancool wrote:
 And of course the most important part: to scare the open source 
 community into thinking they can't use FAT anymore. ;-)

Doesnt FAt come from cpm and therefore prior art?  Remember American
judges are often dumber than a box of rocks.

CWSIV



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Re: [Freedos-user] FAT Patents of Microsoft

2006-01-12 Thread BIAF
I Agree, things like this will only make the FreeDOS crew rebell with new
FS, MS are doing them selfs no favours at all with this move.

But its been on the brew for along time, maybe they will not do much about
it now.

Hi,

I can't understand the crying about the FAT patent. In the whole world of
file systems are enough candidates to replace the Grandma of file systems.
And most of them are free. I.e. HFS and HFS+ (the file systems of MacOS)
are
GPL and is supported by the linux distros for free. Ok, on Windows there
are
only commercial solutions but it is a option. And the ReiserFS is also
free.
And perhaps someone create solutions for DOSes because FAT isn't free
anymore. This can be the beginning of a better FreeDOS :-)


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Re: [Freedos-user] FAT Patents of Microsoft

2006-01-12 Thread ultramancool

Andre Tertling wrote:
If I read the patents in question right, they are not exactly FAT 
patents but rather LFN for FAT patents. The primary reason for the 
patents is to cut a nice slice from the memory stick/card market for M$.


FAT has one large benefit: Because it is so simple, it is easy to 
implement on low-end hardware. One doesn't need much processor power 
or (even more crucial) ram to handle FAT. Ext2/3/reiserfs offer much 
more than FAT but are also much more demanding in terms of internal 
data structure management.


Best regards,
Andre


BIAF wrote:
I Agree, things like this will only make the FreeDOS crew rebell with 
new

FS, MS are doing them selfs no favours at all with this move.

But its been on the brew for along time, maybe they will not do much 
about

it now.

I can't understand the crying about the FAT patent. In the whole 
world of
file systems are enough candidates to replace the Grandma of file 
systems.
And most of them are free. I.e. HFS and HFS+ (the file systems of 
MacOS)
are GPL and is supported by the linux distros for free. Ok, on 
Windows there
are only commercial solutions but it is a option. And the ReiserFS 
is also

free.
And perhaps someone create solutions for DOSes because FAT isn't free
anymore. This can be the beginning of a better FreeDOS :-)



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And of course the most important part: to scare the open source 
community into thinking they can't use FAT anymore. ;-)



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Re: [Freedos-user] FAT Patents of Microsoft

2006-01-12 Thread Derek Newhall
--- Christian Voß [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi,
 
 I can't understand the crying about the FAT patent.
 In the whole world of
 file systems are enough candidates to replace the
 Grandma of file systems.
 And most of them are free. I.e. HFS and HFS+ (the
 file systems of MacOS) are
 GPL and is supported by the linux distros for free.
 Ok, on Windows there are
 only commercial solutions but it is a option. And
 the ReiserFS is also free.
 And perhaps someone create solutions for DOSes
 because FAT isn't free
 anymore. This can be the beginning of a better
 FreeDOS :-)
 

Umm... the whole point of FreeDOS is to be MS-DOS
compatible. Implementing anything other than FAT as
the primary file system is going against the whole
intent of the project.

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