Re: [Freedos-user] languages

[Aitor Santamaría via Freedos-user]

Ok, thanks for the testing.

Aitor


On Wed, 4 Oct 2023 at 23:36, Joao Silva via Freedos-user <
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> Hello.
>
> I used KEYB PO,850,KEYBOARD.SYS and worked like a charm.
>
> Thank you.
>
> On Wed, Oct 4, 2023 at 8:43 PM Aitor Santamaría via Freedos-user <
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>
>> Hi,
>>
>> To do this, you need KEYB itself:
>>
>> ibiblio.org FreeDOS 1.2 Updates Package -- keyb (FreeDOS Base)
>> 
>>
>> and KEYBOARD.SYS and the alikes:
>>
>> ibiblio.org FreeDOS 1.2 Updates Package -- KEYB layouts (FreeDOS Base)
>> 
>>
>> To find out which and the commandline, this page may help:
>>
>> KPDOS v3.0 - Keyboard Layout Pack for DOS codepages (bootablecd.de)
>> 
>>
>> if you want to use KEYB for PO and KEYBOARD.SYS
>>
>> KEYB PO,850,KEYBOARD.SYS
>>
>> should do it.
>>
>> Aitor
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 3 Oct 2023 at 23:19, Joao Silva via Freedos-user <
>> freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello.
>>> I don't have FD-KEYB installed and i can't find fdimples.
>>> Where can i install it?
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 3, 2023 at 7:34 PM Aitor Santamaría via Freedos-user <
>>> freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:
>>>
 Hello Joao,

 I think in the thread the bug was mentioned to happen in mKEYB, could
 you please try FD-KEYB to see if the bug is there and needs to be corrected
 too?

 Thanks,
 Aitor


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 freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:

> Hi!
>
> i' m from Portugal and i'm aware of the portuguese layout for 43 years.
> When i press that key produces a A with a ring on top.
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 1, 2023 at 10:35 PM Jim Hall via Freedos-user <
> freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:
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>> Joao wrote:
>> > > It's been a while since i use freedos on asus eeepc with
>> portuguese from
>> > > portugal and if i recall i can't write the * with shift and *+"
>> key and
>> > > since there is no numeric keypad.
>> >
>>
>>
>> Tom wrote:
>> [..]
>> > >  "i can't write the * with shift and *+" key"
>> > c) about the worst bug complaint ever. you don't deserve a better
>> keyboard driver ;(
>>
>>
>> It's not a bad bug complaint. According to Wikipedia (see link) the
>> asterisk (*) is on the plus (+) key in the Shifted position. It's next
>> to the "P" key. So "Shift and +" should produce "*" on a
>> Portuguese/Portugal keyboard.
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_QWERTY_keyboard_language_variants#Portugal
>>
>>
>> *Also, telling someone "you don't deserve a better keyboard driver" is
>> not cool. :-( We're all in this together to create a welcoming
>> environment. Let's treat everyone with respect.
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Re: [Freedos-user] languages

[Aitor Santamaría via Freedos-user]

Hi,

To do this, you need KEYB itself:

ibiblio.org FreeDOS 1.2 Updates Package -- keyb (FreeDOS Base)


and KEYBOARD.SYS and the alikes:

ibiblio.org FreeDOS 1.2 Updates Package -- KEYB layouts (FreeDOS Base)


To find out which and the commandline, this page may help:

KPDOS v3.0 - Keyboard Layout Pack for DOS codepages (bootablecd.de)


if you want to use KEYB for PO and KEYBOARD.SYS

KEYB PO,850,KEYBOARD.SYS

should do it.

Aitor




On Tue, 3 Oct 2023 at 23:19, Joao Silva via Freedos-user <
freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:

> Hello.
> I don't have FD-KEYB installed and i can't find fdimples.
> Where can i install it?
>
> On Tue, Oct 3, 2023 at 7:34 PM Aitor Santamaría via Freedos-user <
> freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:
>
>> Hello Joao,
>>
>> I think in the thread the bug was mentioned to happen in mKEYB, could you
>> please try FD-KEYB to see if the bug is there and needs to be corrected too?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Aitor
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 2 Oct 2023 at 07:26, Joao Silva via Freedos-user <
>> freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>> i' m from Portugal and i'm aware of the portuguese layout for 43 years.
>>> When i press that key produces a A with a ring on top.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Oct 1, 2023 at 10:35 PM Jim Hall via Freedos-user <
>>> freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:
>>>
 Joao wrote:
 > > It's been a while since i use freedos on asus eeepc with portuguese
 from
 > > portugal and if i recall i can't write the * with shift and *+" key
 and
 > > since there is no numeric keypad.
 >


 Tom wrote:
 [..]
 > >  "i can't write the * with shift and *+" key"
 > c) about the worst bug complaint ever. you don't deserve a better
 keyboard driver ;(


 It's not a bad bug complaint. According to Wikipedia (see link) the
 asterisk (*) is on the plus (+) key in the Shifted position. It's next
 to the "P" key. So "Shift and +" should produce "*" on a
 Portuguese/Portugal keyboard.

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_QWERTY_keyboard_language_variants#Portugal


 *Also, telling someone "you don't deserve a better keyboard driver" is
 not cool. :-( We're all in this together to create a welcoming
 environment. Let's treat everyone with respect.


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Re: [Freedos-user] languages

[Joao Silva via Freedos-user]

Hello.
I don't have FD-KEYB installed and i can't find fdimples.
Where can i install it?

On Tue, Oct 3, 2023 at 7:34 PM Aitor Santamaría via Freedos-user <
freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:

> Hello Joao,
>
> I think in the thread the bug was mentioned to happen in mKEYB, could you
> please try FD-KEYB to see if the bug is there and needs to be corrected too?
>
> Thanks,
> Aitor
>
>
> On Mon, 2 Oct 2023 at 07:26, Joao Silva via Freedos-user <
> freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:
>
>> Hi!
>>
>> i' m from Portugal and i'm aware of the portuguese layout for 43 years.
>> When i press that key produces a A with a ring on top.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 1, 2023 at 10:35 PM Jim Hall via Freedos-user <
>> freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Joao wrote:
>>> > > It's been a while since i use freedos on asus eeepc with portuguese
>>> from
>>> > > portugal and if i recall i can't write the * with shift and *+" key
>>> and
>>> > > since there is no numeric keypad.
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>> Tom wrote:
>>> [..]
>>> > >  "i can't write the * with shift and *+" key"
>>> > c) about the worst bug complaint ever. you don't deserve a better
>>> keyboard driver ;(
>>>
>>>
>>> It's not a bad bug complaint. According to Wikipedia (see link) the
>>> asterisk (*) is on the plus (+) key in the Shifted position. It's next
>>> to the "P" key. So "Shift and +" should produce "*" on a
>>> Portuguese/Portugal keyboard.
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_QWERTY_keyboard_language_variants#Portugal
>>>
>>>
>>> *Also, telling someone "you don't deserve a better keyboard driver" is
>>> not cool. :-( We're all in this together to create a welcoming
>>> environment. Let's treat everyone with respect.
>>>
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Re: [Freedos-user] languages

[Joao Silva via Freedos-user]

Hi.
You're quiet correct main key output is '+', the shifted is '*' and the
alternated is " (two dots)
When i run "keyb po" changes the code page to 858.
MS-DOS 6.2 was 840, but i found a page that show 860 for Portugal, not
Brazil
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Re: [Freedos-user] languages

[Aitor Santamaría via Freedos-user]

Hello Joao,

I think in the thread the bug was mentioned to happen in mKEYB, could you
please try FD-KEYB to see if the bug is there and needs to be corrected too?

Thanks,
Aitor


On Mon, 2 Oct 2023 at 07:26, Joao Silva via Freedos-user <
freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:

> Hi!
>
> i' m from Portugal and i'm aware of the portuguese layout for 43 years.
> When i press that key produces a A with a ring on top.
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 1, 2023 at 10:35 PM Jim Hall via Freedos-user <
> freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:
>
>> Joao wrote:
>> > > It's been a while since i use freedos on asus eeepc with portuguese
>> from
>> > > portugal and if i recall i can't write the * with shift and *+" key
>> and
>> > > since there is no numeric keypad.
>> >
>>
>>
>> Tom wrote:
>> [..]
>> > >  "i can't write the * with shift and *+" key"
>> > c) about the worst bug complaint ever. you don't deserve a better
>> keyboard driver ;(
>>
>>
>> It's not a bad bug complaint. According to Wikipedia (see link) the
>> asterisk (*) is on the plus (+) key in the Shifted position. It's next
>> to the "P" key. So "Shift and +" should produce "*" on a
>> Portuguese/Portugal keyboard.
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_QWERTY_keyboard_language_variants#Portugal
>>
>>
>> *Also, telling someone "you don't deserve a better keyboard driver" is
>> not cool. :-( We're all in this together to create a welcoming
>> environment. Let's treat everyone with respect.
>>
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Re: [Freedos-user] languages

[tom ehlert via Freedos-user]

Hi,

> i' m from Portugal and i'm aware of the portuguese layout for 43 years.
> When i press that key produces a A with a ring on top.

it helps if you say "the key right of 'P' should produce '+' and '*' in shifted 
state.

and indeed mkEYB has this wrong (for whatever reason).

i just filed this as an issue on the GITHUB project page.
Tom



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Re: [Freedos-user] languages

[Joao Silva via Freedos-user]

Hi!

i' m from Portugal and i'm aware of the portuguese layout for 43 years.
When i press that key produces a A with a ring on top.


On Sun, Oct 1, 2023 at 10:35 PM Jim Hall via Freedos-user <
freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:

> Joao wrote:
> > > It's been a while since i use freedos on asus eeepc with portuguese
> from
> > > portugal and if i recall i can't write the * with shift and *+" key and
> > > since there is no numeric keypad.
> >
>
>
> Tom wrote:
> [..]
> > >  "i can't write the * with shift and *+" key"
> > c) about the worst bug complaint ever. you don't deserve a better
> keyboard driver ;(
>
>
> It's not a bad bug complaint. According to Wikipedia (see link) the
> asterisk (*) is on the plus (+) key in the Shifted position. It's next
> to the "P" key. So "Shift and +" should produce "*" on a
> Portuguese/Portugal keyboard.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_QWERTY_keyboard_language_variants#Portugal
>
>
> *Also, telling someone "you don't deserve a better keyboard driver" is
> not cool. :-( We're all in this together to create a welcoming
> environment. Let's treat everyone with respect.
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Re: [Freedos-user] languages

[Jim Hall via Freedos-user]

Joao wrote:
> > It's been a while since i use freedos on asus eeepc with portuguese from
> > portugal and if i recall i can't write the * with shift and *+" key and
> > since there is no numeric keypad.
>


Tom wrote:
[..]
> >  "i can't write the * with shift and *+" key"
> c) about the worst bug complaint ever. you don't deserve a better keyboard 
> driver ;(


It's not a bad bug complaint. According to Wikipedia (see link) the
asterisk (*) is on the plus (+) key in the Shifted position. It's next
to the "P" key. So "Shift and +" should produce "*" on a
Portuguese/Portugal keyboard.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_QWERTY_keyboard_language_variants#Portugal


*Also, telling someone "you don't deserve a better keyboard driver" is
not cool. :-( We're all in this together to create a welcoming
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Re: [Freedos-user] languages

[tom ehlert via Freedos-user]

Hi,

> It's been a while since i use freedos on asus eeepc with portuguese from
> portugal and if i recall i can't write the * with shift and *+" key and
> since there is no numeric keypad.

a) what keyboard driver are you using?
b) IIRC (20 years later) there was 'portuguese' and 'portuguse brazil'.
   which one?

>  "i can't write the * with shift and *+" key"
c) about the worst bug complaint ever. you don't deserve a better keyboard 
driver ;(

Tom






> I haven't tested on a vm...

> On Fri, Sep 29, 2023 at 9:03 AM Eric Auer via Freedos-user <
> freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:

>>
>> Hi!
>>
>> > FreeDos need's update in the keyboard and languages, there is support for
>> > that in open-source environments, but I don't know how to implement them.
>> > For example I'm using a portuguese keyboard and it doesn't support it, so
>> > Iam in trouble's
>>
>> Actually FreeDOS has no problems with Portuguese keyboards. Even
>> the tiny MKEYB driver supports them. If you run MKEYB /? you will
>> see that MKEYB /L shows a list of supported keyboards, which does
>> include Portuguese. So you could run MKEYB PO to activate keyboard
>> support in Portuguese style, or you could add a line saying MKEYB
>> PO to your autoexec.bat or fdauto.bat, depending on which of the
>> two you are using. Our other keyboard drivers also support your
>> layout, you just have to read the documentation to find out how
>> to activate it, as they are a bit more complicated to set up :-)
>>
>> Best regards, Eric
>>
>>
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Re: [Freedos-user] languages

[Joao Silva via Freedos-user]

Hi.
It's been a while since i use freedos on asus eeepc with portuguese from
portugal and if i recall i can't write the * with shift and *+" key and
since there is no numeric keypad.

I haven't tested on a vm...

On Fri, Sep 29, 2023 at 9:03 AM Eric Auer via Freedos-user <
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> Hi!
>
> > FreeDos need's update in the keyboard and languages, there is support for
> > that in open-source environments, but I don't know how to implement them.
> > For example I'm using a portuguese keyboard and it doesn't support it, so
> > Iam in trouble's
>
> Actually FreeDOS has no problems with Portuguese keyboards. Even
> the tiny MKEYB driver supports them. If you run MKEYB /? you will
> see that MKEYB /L shows a list of supported keyboards, which does
> include Portuguese. So you could run MKEYB PO to activate keyboard
> support in Portuguese style, or you could add a line saying MKEYB
> PO to your autoexec.bat or fdauto.bat, depending on which of the
> two you are using. Our other keyboard drivers also support your
> layout, you just have to read the documentation to find out how
> to activate it, as they are a bit more complicated to set up :-)
>
> Best regards, Eric
>
>
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] languages

[Eric Auer via Freedos-user]

Hi!


FreeDos need's update in the keyboard and languages, there is support for
that in open-source environments, but I don't know how to implement them.
For example I'm using a portuguese keyboard and it doesn't support it, so
Iam in trouble's


Actually FreeDOS has no problems with Portuguese keyboards. Even
the tiny MKEYB driver supports them. If you run MKEYB /? you will
see that MKEYB /L shows a list of supported keyboards, which does
include Portuguese. So you could run MKEYB PO to activate keyboard
support in Portuguese style, or you could add a line saying MKEYB
PO to your autoexec.bat or fdauto.bat, depending on which of the
two you are using. Our other keyboard drivers also support your
layout, you just have to read the documentation to find out how
to activate it, as they are a bit more complicated to set up :-)

Best regards, Eric




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Re: [Freedos-user] languages

[Rahim Fakir via Freedos-user]

FreeDos need's update in the keyboard and languages, there is support for
that in open-source environments, but I don't know how to implement them.
For example I'm using a portuguese keyboard and it doesn't support it, so
Iam in trouble's
Best Regards
Rahim

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> Hi,
>
> The question is not very clear to me, but the installation of FreeDOS
> gives you choice for lots and lots of keyboard layouts (Keyboard) and
> codepages (screen), as well as many National Language Support for kernel.
> However, translation of messages can be a bit uneven, depending on the
> language.
>
> I suggest you check a FreeDOS installation and see by yourself what you
> can find.
>
> Aitor
>
>
> On Mon, 25 Sept 2023 at 03:07, Rahim Fakir via Freedos-user <
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>> Is it possible to put all languages to freedos
>> Languages KEyboard's and so on???
>> Rahim 00351 933 5959 74 is bugged sorry
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Re: [Freedos-user] languages

[Aitor Santamaría via Freedos-user]

Hi,

The question is not very clear to me, but the installation of FreeDOS gives
you choice for lots and lots of keyboard layouts (Keyboard) and codepages
(screen), as well as many National Language Support for kernel.
However, translation of messages can be a bit uneven, depending on the
language.

I suggest you check a FreeDOS installation and see by yourself what you can
find.

Aitor


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> Is it possible to put all languages to freedos
> Languages KEyboard's and so on???
> Rahim 00351 933 5959 74 is bugged sorry
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Re: [Freedos-user] languages

[Aitor Santamaría via Freedos-user]

Hello,

Check KEYB an dKeyboard layouts in FreeDOS HELP:

FreeDOS command: keyb (bootablecd.de)

KPDOS v3.0 - Keyboard Layout Pack for DOS codepages (bootablecd.de)


There you may find all layouts of KEYB and available codepages (to be used
with DISPLAY).

KEYB PO,,KEYBOARD.SYS

should work for you, or

KEYB PX,,KEYBRD4.SYS

for international Portuguese.

Aitor







On Fri, 18 Aug 2023 at 20:57, Rahim Fakir via Freedos-user <
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> How can freeedos, have portugueses keyboard?
> Is it possible to choose the keyboard layout?
> Rahim 00351 933 5959 74
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