Re: [Freeipa-users] [SSSD] FreeIPA on Debian

2013-09-01 Thread Timo Aaltonen
On 31.08.2013 00:04, Dmitri Pal wrote:
 Hello,
 
 Sorry for cross posting to 4 different lists but it seems that this is
 the best way to include most of people who might be interested in this
 discussion.
 
 The question of When FreeIPA will be available on Debian? has been
 coming up periodically on the list(s) without any resolution. However it
 is clear that it would be beneficial for the community and the project.

Hi,

As you know, I've been packaging stuff for the past two years with the
goal of eventually having FreeIPA server on Debian/Ubuntu. A lot has
been accomplished, but quite a bit is still missing too..

 May be it is time to try again?
 Let us see why it yet has not happened?
 
 1) Some components need to be ported to Debian especially Dogtag and a
 slew of its new RESTEasy dependencies. This requires time and quite an
 effort from someone familiar with the domain.

Yes, this is the biggest blocker. Dogtag 9 is packaged in git and
working, but I'm not going to push that to the distro. It can be used
for testing the IPA server though, before we have Dogtag 10. Once the
prereqs are in place the Dogtag git should be easy to rebase with 10.x.

I did start packaging some of the dependencies, but hit a wall when some
maven component needed a different release than another one.. AIUI this
is a known issue with maven based projects..

Other blockers off the top of my head include:

- support for shared certificate database in NSS
  * patches sent to the Debian bug (#537866), maintainer isn't too
responsive
- dyndb support in bind
  * haven't asked the maintainer to add it to bind9, it might happen
- porting the IPA server installer for Debian
  * this has been discussed on the list at some point, and I guess
upstream knows best how the code needs to be organized to make it
happen..

 2) The code needs to be changed in installer and potentially in other
 places as it might have had some Fedorizms blended in

yep, and I need to send the platform module for the client soon, the
latest version seems to be working fine.

 3) Someone needs to own packages in Debian and maintain them, someone
 with good knowledge of the distro and time to take ownership of about 50
 packages.

I'm doing this on my spare time, which has meant obvious delays in
shipping something. Would be great to have more skillful people (pun
intended) on the pkg-freeipa team..

 Can we pull it off together this time?
 Say we plan for some Dogtag and IPA domain experts to work on the port
 during Nov 13 - Feb 14 and address 1) and 2). Would there be any
 interest to join forces with them? Would there be anyone to take on item
 3) from the list above?

I could send an email to debian-devel@ asking if someone is interested
in helping us out. And maybe blog about it too (on planet.ubuntu.com)..


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Re: [Freeipa-users] [SSSD] FreeIPA on Debian

2013-09-01 Thread Timo Aaltonen
On 01.09.2013 21:43, Dmitri Pal wrote:
 On 09/01/2013 02:20 PM, Timo Aaltonen wrote:
 On 31.08.2013 00:04, Dmitri Pal wrote:
 Hello,

 Sorry for cross posting to 4 different lists but it seems that this is
 the best way to include most of people who might be interested in this
 discussion.

 The question of When FreeIPA will be available on Debian? has been
 coming up periodically on the list(s) without any resolution. However it
 is clear that it would be beneficial for the community and the project.
 Hi,

 As you know, I've been packaging stuff for the past two years with the
 goal of eventually having FreeIPA server on Debian/Ubuntu. A lot has
 been accomplished, but quite a bit is still missing too..

 May be it is time to try again?
 Let us see why it yet has not happened?

 1) Some components need to be ported to Debian especially Dogtag and a
 slew of its new RESTEasy dependencies. This requires time and quite an
 effort from someone familiar with the domain.
 Yes, this is the biggest blocker. Dogtag 9 is packaged in git and
 working, but I'm not going to push that to the distro. It can be used
 for testing the IPA server though, before we have Dogtag 10. Once the
 prereqs are in place the Dogtag git should be easy to rebase with 10.x.

 I did start packaging some of the dependencies, but hit a wall when some
 maven component needed a different release than another one.. AIUI this
 is a known issue with maven based projects..

 Other blockers off the top of my head include:

 - support for shared certificate database in NSS
   * patches sent to the Debian bug (#537866), maintainer isn't too
 responsive
 
 How can we help?

I don't think you can, guess it just needs some perseverance on my side..

 - dyndb support in bind
   * haven't asked the maintainer to add it to bind9, it might happen
 
 Are you talking about byndb maintainer or bind9 Debian maintainer?
 May be we should connect the two?

the debian bind maintainer, I heard from the dyndb maintainer that
bind10 might support it natively, but getting that in Debian might still
be further in the future, so if we'd need dyndb by early next year it's
probably needed to have it via bind9 first.

 3) Someone needs to own packages in Debian and maintain them, someone
 with good knowledge of the distro and time to take ownership of about 50
 packages.
 I'm doing this on my spare time, which has meant obvious delays in
 shipping something. Would be great to have more skillful people (pun
 intended) on the pkg-freeipa team..
 
 Are you the only person there so far?

pretty much, there have been some debian developers sponsoring packages
to the distro (I'm not a DD yet), but they've all fled before too long :)

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